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Even if he could prove citizenship, which he

Posted By: hasn't, he is no longer on 2008-10-24
In Reply to: My God. It's like talking to concrete. - They have SUBMITTED the required documents...sm

a citizen once he was adopted by the Indonesian stepfather. Once a child is adopted by someone from another country, they cannot claim citizenship to that country any longer, even if they were born there.

He has yet to produce immigration papers which show he applied for citizenship to this country, just like any "illegal" would have to do.


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why would he have to apply for citizenship? He never denounced his citizenship...
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NOT TRUE. No one can take your US citizenship from you
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Dual (or not) citizenship

I have a cousin who was born in England at a US military base hospital and she is indeed a US Citizen with no dual citizenship


Citizenship argument...another red herring on
Get over yourself.
Obama has never denounced his citizenship
as it relates to his citizenship to the country of Indonesia or denounced his citizenship as it relates to the country of Kenya.

He cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing his birth in Hawaii but he does have a "vault" (original) long version of a birth certificate in Kenya.

Interesting as to what he does have and what he can't produce.

He lost his citizenship upon adoption by his
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He had the right to accept his Kenyan citizenship... sm
at age 21 and since he didn't, it expired. Hence his only citizenship is his American citizenship.
Because he had no citizenship to denounce in the first place. sm
Go back and read the post. Indonesia, at the time that Obama lived there, did not recognize dual citizenship, therefore nullifying his supposed US citizenship. In order to attend school in Indonesia, he had to be a citizen of the country and he was made a citizen of that country by the adoption of his stepfather. His school card in the link below lists him as an Indonesian citizen and his religion as Muslim.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72656
I am no expert but....it has something to do with "dual citizenship." sm
My best friend's husband was a Dutch citizen. (He has since been naturalized). They have 3 children. The kids could claim both Dutch and American citizenship up until the age of 18. Then they had to make a choice of which citizenship to renounce. Now that was back in the 80's so things may have changed since then. Not sure if this explains it or not.
Dual citizenship is not a crime. It's a privilege.
Repeat one GOOD reason?
Bottom line, no one can renounce the citizenship...sm
of an American citizen, period, whether they are adopted by a noncitizen or not. Obama had the right to claim Nigerian citizenship at age 21 but did not.
Interesting post regarding US Citizenship on another board...
Not true at all, even if your parent is a us citizen, if you are born in another country, you are a us citizen, but you are forever disqualified from running for president. This does not apply to military bases and diplomats. That is the law. My boss happens to have been born in canada to us citizens working there at the time. Took him 3 years to be able to get a passport to leave the us on vacation and yes they notified him he could never run for president. That is the difference between being a us citizen and a naturalized us citizen.

I believe it is also the same for anyone whom has ever claimed citizenship outside of the us, once you claim citizenship anywhere else, you are disqualified from running for president.
I don't tihnk a BC proof of citizenship is stupid.

Let the "stupid crap" go on until it is cleared up. I'm sick of hearing it, too, but I'll be dang if I want someone who is not a citizen  to run our country. I want to know the truth and, so far, that truth isn't there. Too much secrecy (sp?) to warm my toes.  It opens a whole 'nother can of worms if he is not a citizen, yet becomes president anyway.


It would mean a constitutional rule struck down and, (I shudder to think of this) even terrorists could run our country if they so desire and could pay off people who's vote count. Gee, do you want Chevez or Putnin to run our country? How about Ayers or Wright?


I'm just pointing out a few things here. There's too many question as why this was not resolved and why, all of a sudden, his records in Hawaii were sealed or whatever, after he went to "visit his sick grandmother."


Truth is all I want and I don't have it yet. But I will let the SC decide (if they weren't bribed) and then, I will embrace the O as a president until he screws up which, eventually, he will. He's coming off as "too perfect". There is no one "perfect" in my eyes.


 


I don't think dual citizenship applies to your kids -
Not being ugly, my daughter was born in Germany too, but I never heard that she had dual citizenship. She was born on a military base and that made her an American.
REAL Americans don't recognize dual citizenship.
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It does not matter if he has quadruple citizenship was born on Pluto,
any other fool notion you can come up with. Obama is a citizen of the United States and no number of lawsuits, appeals, attorneys or McC camp supporters is going to change that. These ridiculous distractions have rendered the rest of this campaign down to the level of a technical moot point. When you are in a hole (as the wise SP has pointed out), the first thing you do is to stop digging. However, you guys have managed to run the clock so far down, that there is really no way out by this time. Congratulations on your failed campaign. Cut your losses, go back to the drawing board, decide what you need to be doing for your fractured party and try to figure out what you will be doing in 2012 about your leadership vacuum. The citizenship issue is a dead end. Believe it or not. Nobody cares because it poses no threat whatsoever to Obama if you continue to rale about this until h@ll freezes over.
Not true, No one can give up the citizenship of a child who is a US citizen. nm
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Immigration attys probable grasp basic citizenship concepts.
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What the Indonesian govt requires for adoption, citizenship, religious affiliation
anything else is of NO CONCERN to the US govt when it comes to recognizing or preserving citizenship status of a natural born US citizen. Check the constitution. Check the State Department website. Check the immigration law statutes and stop making a complete idjit of yourself. You have been hanging in the fringe chat rooms too long. His citizenship was not renounced. I am sure his parents jumped through whatever hoops they needed to in order to live in the country and enroll their child in school, much the same way my own daughter is doing with her child while living in a Moslem country in the Middle East. They hold passports from there AND American passports and do not have to immigrate back to the country of their origin. The US govt turns a blind eye to this and preserves the integrity of its natural born folks. My God, you are a dense one, aren't you?
I know he has nothing to prove to you....
but to the 48% of us who don't trust him, he does. I will believe it when I see it. There is nothing in his past to indicate he wants to wipe out party lines, unless that means bring us ALL into HIS light. His entire career has been hard left towing the party line. His votes have all been hard left toeing the party line. And now he wants us to believe that all disappears? He has undergone some miraculous change himself? I would feel better if he used the word "compromise" as much as he used the word "unite." All "unite" means to me is that he wants everyone to come to his side. His entire agenda is diametrically opposed to most of what I believe in. How is he going to "unite" people like him and people like me if he doesn't compromise?

Like I said...I am waiting to see what he does. He said himself he had to earn my trust. So far he is not doing so well. That could "change." Only time will tell.

BTW, this is not an attack. It is just my open and honest concerns about the POTUS. Concerns about any POTUS. I would have held McCain's feet to the fire too. He was certainly not my ideal candidate...but he beat the alternative. Now that the alternative has won...he has to prove himself to me and 48% of the country.
prove it.
Where is your proof that satan does not exist?  Where is your proof that the Bible is a fairytale?  Where is  your proof that Jesus doesnt exist?  Until you can show me some proof, this is just your opinion and doesnt really mean much or hold any water.
You would have to prove a ............. sm
genetic predisposition for this to be logical. Even if you did prove such a theory, the fact that a person has a particular gene does not necessarily mean that that gene will develop into a behavior.


Prove it
Yes he had to use Air Force 1 I think he and the Secret Service would look a little conspicuous on Continental, don't you? But he paid for everything else himself.

This is such a small, petty argument, I can't even believe you people are talking about it. Oh wait...yes I can....
Prove it
I have not seen one bit of proof that it was taxpayer money. Only Air Force 1 was a government expense and that could not be helped.

Where is your proof?
I don't have to prove anything. Those of us who were here know it to be true. nm

Then prove I said what you accused me of saying.

Show me the post I wrote where I claimed to have *inside info on rapture. She said so* as you accused me of in your post above.  Just copy and paste it and show me where I said I have inside info on the rapture. 


You can't prove it because I didn't say it.  So who's really the liar here?


What, may I respectfully ask, does this prove?
Lebanon and Israel have a long and colourful history of conflict.  I am not quite sure what this letter is meant to prove.  Hezbollah has used Lebanese residential areas to set up their missles and attack bases. Israel retaliates for the abduction of their people.  But first, they drop leaflets, warning civilians to leave.  Really, quite a first for this sort of thing.  I'm very sorry, but I, for one, am bloody tired of Israel being made the aggressor here.  Hamas and Hezbollah have pounded them nearly to oblivion and all you can worry about is a letter from the Lebanese?!  I am astounded. 
In Massachusetts we have to prove
we have health insurance when we file our state income taxes. We get a form from insurance company that we have to file. Otherwise you lose your personal exemption. I believe at one point part of the plan was they could garnish your wages but not sure on that.

This is all part of the insurance plan Romney came up with as governor, and he is supposed to be a conservative.
Once again...you prove my point.
liberals are NOT about tolerance. There is nothing but INtolerance in your post...you, my friend, are a bigot. Only it is not a race, it is a belief system. "right wing rags" is NOT an example of tolerance of someone else's viewpoint. It is obvious for anyone who would care to, to see. Attack, attack, attack. If you are not like me, go away. I am not interested in another point of view,nor am I interested in debating any points.

You say equality, you say tolerance, you say no bigotry. Yet you do not tolerate opposition, you want to quell dissent, and you discriminate against conservatives.

Which leaves me with the impression that your lofty ideals are just that. Because you do NOT practice them. NOW I understand what the other liberal poster meant when they posted there are no true liberals in the Democratic party. Amen to that, poster, wherever you are!
Prove to me that it is a rumor!!!
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Prove to me it is not!! Are you so jaded that you...
can't even give a 16-year-old the benefit of the doubt??
To what end? Prove a communist
nm
DOn't have to prove it....HE SAID IT. Geez...
did you read his letter? And I have been doing more research...you should too. This is not the end of the Saul Alinsky connection.
I am not the one who needs to prove or disprove it....
I accept it on its face. She did what she was supposed to do...look out for the interests of her state. Why would that surprise anyone? And she did a good job of it. Like I said, if she applies that same principle at the federal level, good for us, right?

If you lived in Alaska, wouldn't you want the $1200 as your part of the revenue Alaska oil generated? Or would you rather that was redistributed to the lower 48? Just asking.
cant prove a negative

pure speculation.  Not been attacked by little green people from Mars either.


 


You prove my point. Thank you. nm
nm
don't have to prove a thing
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/6817.html
can you prove that it's a fake?
nm
If they win, it'll prove there's really no God.
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No he can't but papers are there that prove he was
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Nope, he has to prove a lot because
He claims to be born in Hawaii, which he cannot prove yet, and then he was adopted by a Kenhan man, which according to their laws, made him Muslim, and a citizen of Kenya. According to OUR laws, he cannot just come back and claim citizenship. He would have had to go through immigration process all over again and there is no immigration papers to find.

Still waiting for his proof.
what do supporters prove?
What do you mean by "He'll make a fine President... He's going to do great and he's got the supporters to prove it." That only means he has people who think he will do well. Can't really say until he is in office and we see what he does. Unless you think all these people can predict the future.
unless you can prove the daddies do it
Unless you were there in the delivery room, I am guessing that his American mother gave birth to him.
you prove my point so well
Hindsight is 20/20.  If we would not have allowed millions of people to buy houses that could not afford them, we would not be here.  If we would have decided that subprime loans were unstable and that a person should actually be required to be able to pay for what they want and be able to afford what their dream is, we would not be here.  America has adopted the mentality somewhere along the way that equality shouldnt be just about race or religion but about everyone having the right to the same things in life.  People have a false sense of entitlement.  These people that have helped our ecomony fail are the ones who have been living in a manner they should not have been.  This starts with the people who can work but dont.  The people who feed off of the states and have children for a business but do nothing to give back to the economy.  They are takers.  It also goes to the CEOs and the loan officers and the banks and all the big guys who have decided that it was okay to make billions off of the people in our society who are sponges and are willing to take any handout given to them, even if it means failure down the road.  They have made their fortunues based off of greed and lies.  They built us a false ecomony.  So if there are no jobs now and no credit to be had, you can thank them.  Problem is Obama wants to give to the takers and make us pay, the exact people who have done the right things, lived the way they should within their means, and the very working people who build our ecomony.  How is an new, strong economy going to be built off of welfare recipients who have never worked?  What economic stimulation are they going to offer?  It is simply crazy to me and I cannot see how people refuse to see this. 
Hahahahahahaha!!! - PROVE IT!
nm
Ever try to prove a negative?
The government can ''guestimate'' a number and send you a bill for what you ''owe''.  Then I guess it's up to you to prove they're wrong?  Not an enviable position to be in. 
You continue to prove my point. (nm)
nm
Is that your mission in life? To try to prove that
Rather sad, really.
Obama in a lawsuit to prove his

36. Obama is a representative of the Democratic People. However, Obama must meet the Qualifications specified for the United States Office of the President, which he must be a “natural born” citizen. Additionally, Obama must be at least a “naturalized” citizen to hold his Office of U.S. Senator for Illinois. Unfortunately, Obama is not a “natural born” citizen, nor is he a “naturalized” citizen. Just to name one of the problems, Obama lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian citizen, Lolo Soetoro who legally “acknowledged” Obama as his son in Indonesia and/or “adopted” Obama, which caused Obama to become a “natural” Indonesian citizen. Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia wherein Obama’s mother naturalized in Indonesia. This is proven by Obama’s school record with the student’s name as “Barry Soetoro”, Father’s name: Lolo Soetoro, M.A., and Citizenship: Indonesia


38. Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born. Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. Reports reflect that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy (which, apparently, was a normal restriction, to avoid births during a flight). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama’s birth. There are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii. 


39. Upon investigation into the alleged birth of Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama’s birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital. The Rainbow Edition News Letter, November 2004 Edition, published by the Education Laboratory School did a several page article of an interview with Obama and his half-sister, Maya. The Rainbow Edition News Letter reports Obama was born August 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. More interesting in February 2008, Obama’s half-sister, Maya, was again interviewed in the Star Bulletin, and this time, Maya states Obama was born August 4, 1961 in Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children.  


You continue to prove my point.

Can YOU prove it's taxpayer money?
What's the president make? $140,000 yr.? But, it's the perks that are part of his salary - rent free, utility free, a BUDGET for the president to live on. You can simplify it to simply "frivolous" partying, but I do not believe that is the case - there is far more to it than that. There are traditions and a decorum that is expected. I think our president more than fits the bill.