His father was a Kenyan. His mother married an Indonesian man who adopted him. However, no one...s
Posted By: oldtimer on 2008-10-24
In Reply to: Not once he was adopted into the country - of Indonesia............sm
no matter who adopts you, gives up their US citizenship. Only that person at age 21 can do that. Obama had the choice at 21 to adopt Indonesion or Kenyan citizenship, but he chose to remain an American citizen.
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His Indonesian father adopted him who lived ONLY
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He was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather
therefore he is a citizen of Indonesia. Once he was adopted into another country, he cannot claim US citizenship even if he was born here. He would then have to go through immigration process to apply for US citizenship, which he has not done.
Obama is an adopted child of a Kenyan man
not have US citizenship once he was adopted. You need to go work on that one. Only way he could be a US citizen after that is going through the immigration dept process again, applying for citizenship, of which they ALSO do not have any papers on that.
His father was a Kenyan citizen. We all know that. What is ...sm
your point. He was not adopted by his Kenyan father. The point is that his mother was an American citizen. It doesn't matter where he was born. What is it that you don't understand about that? Mexicans and Canadians, as well as students and others from many other foreign citizens give birth every year and their children are American citizens. If what you say is true, and I do not believe it for a minute, why would you think that an American citizen giving birth in a foreign country would not automatically convey citizenship onto her baby? Get real. This is not what the constitution intends. This is just a diversionary tactic by desperate people.
His mother remarried an Indonesian man
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Raised by a Muslim father and Christian mother
It is a crock, it was refuted. You live in a very small world with no understanding of other cultures. That picture shows me that when he returned to Kenya to meet his father's family, he put on clothing that other Kenyan men wear...Christians and Muslims alike. When I lived in the Middle East with my husband and his family, I wore Hijab and covered my head out of RESPECT for them and for the people whose country I was visiting. Respect obviously is a foreign concept to you. Christiane Amanpour is a Christian who travels to the Middle East and when she does, she covers her head and wears hijab, like she did when she made God's Warriors. Barbara Walters wears a head cover when traveling in the Middle East. She is a Christian. I will not waste my time citing any other examples to support my claim that you are so small minded, bigoted and misinformed it borders on the criminal.
not THEIRS, mother is American and Catholic, father and stepfather Muslim..
yes and Islamic teachings only t h e s e 4 years in Jakarta, Indonesia, and maybe only 2 years.
Barack was 7-11 years old at that time.
Obama's mother is white, his father was black, making him an oreo.
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Correction, that should be Indonesian man by
Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen.
The book is titled "Dreams From My Father" not "Dreams of My Father."
The propaganda sent out and posted here yesterday with blatantly false and out-of-context racist quotes ignorantly referred to the book as "Dreams of My Father." Although you have repeated over and over and over again that Obama is a socialist, it was one of your cronies, ms, who stated that "Obama is a socialist and probably a closet communist, masquerading as the most liberal democrat in the senate."
He had the right to accept his Kenyan citizenship... sm
at age 21 and since he didn't, it expired. Hence his only citizenship is his American citizenship.
His sweet little Kenyan grandmother was there....
and she said herself that she is so proud to have witnessed the birth IN KENYA of her grandson who will be the next POTUS. Can't deny that one.
Have you ever seen me post anything about the Kenyan brother story?
I don't remember seeing that on this board at all. Maybe I missed that. I realize there are those on both sides who engage in this kind of thing...but does that mean that everyone has to en masse? Could not individuals decide that was not the thing to do, like your candidate asked?
What the Indonesian govt requires for adoption, citizenship, religious affiliation
anything else is of NO CONCERN to the US govt when it comes to recognizing or preserving citizenship status of a natural born US citizen. Check the constitution. Check the State Department website. Check the immigration law statutes and stop making a complete idjit of yourself. You have been hanging in the fringe chat rooms too long. His citizenship was not renounced. I am sure his parents jumped through whatever hoops they needed to in order to live in the country and enroll their child in school, much the same way my own daughter is doing with her child while living in a Moslem country in the Middle East. They hold passports from there AND American passports and do not have to immigrate back to the country of their origin. The US govt turns a blind eye to this and preserves the integrity of its natural born folks. My God, you are a dense one, aren't you?
Especially now that GW, JM have adopted
fos
Adopted
no doubt...
I think Mike was adopted. LOL
God bless you too!
Once he was adopted into another country he
don't you keep up with anything other than what you want to believe?
Once you are adopted into another country
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Not once he was adopted into the country
His father was a Muslim Indonesian who adopted him. His mother's name is on the adoption papers, agreeing to this adoption. Under US law, once you are adopted into another country, you are no longer a US citizen without going through Immigration just like anyone else applying for citizenship into this country.
No wait, don't tell me -- you think if a kid is adopted,
BTW - I know a gay couple (women) who had children, and they're legally both women's children. How did they do it? Donor sperm, one woman donated the egg, and the other woman was inseminated, carried the pregnancy, and gave birth. So there is both a birth-mother AND a biological mother.
How many unwanted babies have you adopted, sam? (nm)
???
Stepfather adopted him as Muslim and he was signed up
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what's really married?
I have 17 cousins. One is gay. Out of 18 of us, 17 have married. Guess which one has not, and he has been with his partner for 30 years. Yes - 30 YEARS. Of the rest of us, only 2 have only been married once, all the rest divorced AT LEAST once. They are a great couple and I would gladly dance at their wedding. Morals? Values? Put a little love in your hearts.
She adopted a child while stealing drugs for her addiction.
If she was poor the state would have seized her kids. It's not the rich and special treatment that is so upsetting. It's the fact he is the one making these rules while his wife is an addict.
PS....all as a married woman, I might add.
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Wow you were married that young!
That's the crazy thing I read in any of your posts. LOL. Just kidding. Been with my DH since I was 18 but didn't get married until I was 25 and we decided to have kids. Good luck.
I got married when I was 20 years old
I was with my DH for about a year prior to getting married and he and I have been married for over 7 years now. We make a comfortable living. The only thing we owe money on is our house. Doesn't mean I don't sweat this economy since my DH runs a car dealership and car sales are non-existant right now. We will be okay with his annual salary but we were really hoping to get a nice sized bonus check to pay a big chunk of our house down. I guess we will just keep plugging along and hope and pray that the dealership doesn't go under and that sales pick up.
LOL - if they married someone of opposite sex
They woundn't be gay then. HA HA HA
You are "happy for someone" who just got married!
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They'll NEVER be really married
as marriage is between a man and a woman. A law doesn't change reality. You can make a law that claims cats are now dogs. But those of us who live in the "real" world know better.
So, if a gay couple gets married...(sm)
exactly how does it affect you? Does it make you less of a heterosexual? Does it make you less of a christian? Does it turn your finances upside down? Tell me, exactly how does it affect you personally?
They also teach about Hitler in school. Does that mean that your children will be like Hitler?
How does a gay couple getting married take away
The are not attempting to outlaw hetero marriage, so how are you deprived of your rights?
Separated, he was still married
That does not make an affair correct. Single ok, divorced ok, widowed ok, separated not so because legally married.
I was married to a chemical engineer. nm
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Obama's parents were never married.
Do I have to do ALL the research around here?
Y'all are so naive!
We will be married 2 years in March
I was 20, he was 23. Got engaged and waited a year before we married. Best decision ever :)
I guess when you know you just know huh?
Make fun of Obama all you want...I ain't married to the guy. sm
But, if you want to know if this cartoon was racist, YES, IT'S RACIST. If it had been about Bush, it would just be disrespectful. These are two TOTALLY different issues. Being disrespectful is one thing...to publish a racist cartoon is a completely different story, especially if you would understand the history of racism in this country. Just totally unjustified as cartoon material; a chimp, when we have a black man for president, and two cops shooting the chimp: pure unadulterated, blatant racism. The NY Post CANNOT / COULD NOT believe they wouldn't get called on this.
So what if you're already married with a child?
Are they just going to uproot you from your life? My best friend is 22 and her husband is 25 (like me and my husband) but she already has a 1 year old. I don't (yet) but we are planning to soon after we get our finances straight.
I think I'm going to go back to my homeland where we love and not fight :) (Call us sissies and we'll kick your derriere!)
If Joe Legal is married and has 2 children
and 2 parents, whom he probably supports, why else did you mention this, anyways, Joe Legal does NOT pay 30% taxes.
After I read this statement, I did NOT continue to read your rant.
Does Joe Legal not get any of his medical expenses paid by the government or his employer? ANY, AT ALL ?
yes, seoparated is still married, no flings allowed...nm
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Being married to a Moslem, I find that broad-stroke stereotype
Jihadists are minority political factions that are hated every bit as much by more moderate Moslems as they are by Westerners. The nations where theocracy is the rule do not exactly give them a legitimate avenue for opposition or overthrow as we have here in the US. It is not a whole lot different than fanatical politicized Christian movements that make other Christians cringe every time they spout their racist, bigoted, exclusionary world views. I will not go down the road with you over infidel/sinner/people of the Book and the like. Suffice to say that racism and bigotry is a divisive, destructive and, at times, fatal force that undermines the productivity and cultural integrity in nations of ALL ideologies that harbor it within their borders. US is no exception to this.
what about a father's right?
Just curious if anybody even considers the father's rights?
If your father-in-law s/m
is making GROSS $250,000 from his business, he is definitely not wealthy in my book. On the other hand if his taxable income is $250,000 I see nothing wrong with him paying more taxes than someone with a taxable income of say $40,000.
I do not believe that Obama is going to tax the rich to give to the poor. I have not heard that a single time from his MOUTH. IF and I say IF, he is successful, your father-in-law would most likely get a reduction in taxes. This thing of Obama the modern day Robin Hood is so far out in left field it doesn't even deserve serious consideration. People seem to believe McCain whatever he says.
Father Jonathan Gets It
Culture: The Battleground for the American Soul
by Father Jonathan Morris
I don't know if anyone cares how I feel after Election Day. In case you do, here's the scoop; I'm happy, with some reservation.
I'm happy to live in a democracy where my vote counts, and no more than the next guy's. I'm happy to be able to trust government workers to tally the ballots. I'm happy there are winners and losers, and happy to hear concession speeches peppered with “I'll be back” and “Don't lose hope.” Yes, today I'm happy — I'm very happy to be an American.
My reservation is deeply seeded. My concern has little to do with partisan politics, with house or Senate control. I could care less about red or blue or right or left. And for goodness sake, I'm rather indifferent to the emotional pull of a clunky elephant or a rickety donkey.
Having followed the major issues and the hottest campaigns of this midterm election, I'm concerned that Americans — on both sides of the aisle — are losing the ability to know what they are fighting for, and why it matters. I'm concerned we are losing the battle for the American soul.
“A Battle for the American Soul?” To some, the phrase itself may sound like simplistic punditry — mouth-candy, cliché, and passé, altogether juvenile.
If I didn't live in Europe, I might agree. But a few years on this side of the Atlantic, combined with regular glances back at the history books, I am convinced America has possessed and still possesses a unique, positive and powerful soul, carried in the hearts of her citizens. In this century alone, it has saved the world more than once.
I am also convinced that now, as never before, the American soul is the target of heavy and deadly fire. The sharpshooters, this time, come primarily from within.
Sordid politics can't take the full blame for our predicament. The real battleground for the American soul is CULTURE.
The word is not easy to define. I think it is a nation's portfolio of values — her priorities, ethics, conceptions, and traditions. It is the common philosophy of life, a mindset, and mentality, a way of judging, acting, and reacting. Culture, we can say, creates in us a collective understanding of who we are and what we are about.
While culture is bigger than politics, in a representative democracy like ours, the quality of politics is a cultural bellwether, a group bill of health. From the sight of all things political these days, I would say our culture is sick.
Some have said the outcome of this election was all about Iraq. I don't think it is so simple. Large numbers of Republicans have proven themselves untrustworthy in character and policy. In their tenure as majority leaders in Congress, they have done some good things, but they have vacillated in their stated priorities. They have failed to push forward the confirmation of important judgeships, truncated integral immigration reform, and most recently, were weak on social ballot initiatives like the Missouri stem cell research amendment and mandatory parental consent for minors seeking abortions.
The deeper problem is not policy. It is the superficial nature of political discourse. Republicans have set themselves up as the pro-life, pro-family party, and its platform promises to protect both. But much like the Democrats, its members have been unconvincing in explaining why they believe what they do. When is the last time you have heard a politician explain why life is precious, and why it is sacred? When is the last time you heard a politician give a discourse on the origin and foundation of human rights? When have you heard a Congressman or Senator lay out a reasoned explanation of a just war, given the new type of unconventional enemies?
This dumbing-down of politics is both a consequence and cause of cultural decline.
Democrats are now in the spotlight and we are watching. On Wednesday, new House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi pointed to a painting behind her, hanging on the wall of the Library of Congress. She signaled a figure burning a scroll of learning and trampling on the Bible. The title of the painting was “Corrupt Government.” She explained:
“It is a harsh image to see a Bible underfoot, but it makes a powerful point: corrupt government undermines our values. We come here today to support those values, and to lay out an agenda for a new era of honest, open, and transparent government.”
It would seem Nancy Pelosi is saying the values of America can be found in the Bible. I am impressed. Maybe she knows America was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs and plans on entering the battle to save the American soul. To do this, she will have to hold Democratic policy up to that very high standard. I'm not holding my breath.
If there is one thing to remember, it is this: culture, not politics alone, determines our national identity, and building culture is the responsibility of us all. We can do it in our homes, schools, and places of work, even as politicians fumble around on Capitol Hill. If you need a guidebook, ask Nancy Pelosi. She just might point to the Bible.
God bless, Father Jonathan
I love Father Jonanthan, but I don't believe Nancy Pelosi is going to be pointing anyone toward the Bible, because she would have to throw the Democratic party platform right out the window wtith the other hand. But, I believe the Bible is the guidebook. And, in God's own words, (paraphrasing), Let ye who are called by my name turn from your sin and pray, I will hear from Heaven, forgive you and heal your land. Ye who are called by my name, I believe that to be Christians. Let it start with me, then, because I love my country and the principles she was founded on, and I would love to see her restored. God bless!
Ok here is a better example...my father is Christian
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Well his father's methods must be used in just about
every sort of rally, sporting event, etc. known then. Did anyone actually read it? Am I the only 1 who doesn't understand how gathering a large group of people, who all support the same thing, having them cheer for it, etc. has anything to do with communism? Please explain.
Father died at age 70 nm
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No, how about Father Phleger! LOL
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His father lived with him...
And he felt different feelings than just wanting a male friend. He struggled with it from age 8 to 16 and finally came out. He is 19 years old and openly gay now and was a VIRGIN by the way the last I heard, yep he has relationships with guys with no "sodomizing" involved, amazing huh, that it can be about something other than sex. God forbid it just be that he actually has FEELINGS for the same sex.
SO WHAT. My father is an alcoholic, doesn't
looking for reasons to hate someone. IT's sad. Grow up.
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