He had the right to accept his Kenyan citizenship... sm
Posted By: oldtimer on 2008-10-24
In Reply to: Obama has never denounced his citizenship - sm
at age 21 and since he didn't, it expired. Hence his only citizenship is his American citizenship.
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why would he have to apply for citizenship? He never denounced his citizenship...
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His father was a Kenyan citizen. We all know that. What is ...sm
your point. He was not adopted by his Kenyan father. The point is that his mother was an American citizen. It doesn't matter where he was born. What is it that you don't understand about that? Mexicans and Canadians, as well as students and others from many other foreign citizens give birth every year and their children are American citizens. If what you say is true, and I do not believe it for a minute, why would you think that an American citizen giving birth in a foreign country would not automatically convey citizenship onto her baby? Get real. This is not what the constitution intends. This is just a diversionary tactic by desperate people.
His sweet little Kenyan grandmother was there....
and she said herself that she is so proud to have witnessed the birth IN KENYA of her grandson who will be the next POTUS. Can't deny that one.
Have you ever seen me post anything about the Kenyan brother story?
I don't remember seeing that on this board at all. Maybe I missed that. I realize there are those on both sides who engage in this kind of thing...but does that mean that everyone has to en masse? Could not individuals decide that was not the thing to do, like your candidate asked?
Obama is an adopted child of a Kenyan man
not have US citizenship once he was adopted. You need to go work on that one. Only way he could be a US citizen after that is going through the immigration dept process again, applying for citizenship, of which they ALSO do not have any papers on that.
His father was a Kenyan. His mother married an Indonesian man who adopted him. However, no one...s
no matter who adopts you, gives up their US citizenship. Only that person at age 21 can do that. Obama had the choice at 21 to adopt Indonesion or Kenyan citizenship, but he chose to remain an American citizen.
Even if he could prove citizenship, which he
a citizen once he was adopted by the Indonesian stepfather. Once a child is adopted by someone from another country, they cannot claim citizenship to that country any longer, even if they were born there.
He has yet to produce immigration papers which show he applied for citizenship to this country, just like any "illegal" would have to do.
NOT TRUE. No one can take your US citizenship from you
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Dual (or not) citizenship
I have a cousin who was born in England at a US military base hospital and she is indeed a US Citizen with no dual citizenship
Citizenship argument...another red herring on
Get over yourself.
Obama has never denounced his citizenship
as it relates to his citizenship to the country of Indonesia or denounced his citizenship as it relates to the country of Kenya.
He cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing his birth in Hawaii but he does have a "vault" (original) long version of a birth certificate in Kenya.
Interesting as to what he does have and what he can't produce.
He lost his citizenship upon adoption by his
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Because he had no citizenship to denounce in the first place. sm
Go back and read the post. Indonesia, at the time that Obama lived there, did not recognize dual citizenship, therefore nullifying his supposed US citizenship. In order to attend school in Indonesia, he had to be a citizen of the country and he was made a citizen of that country by the adoption of his stepfather. His school card in the link below lists him as an Indonesian citizen and his religion as Muslim.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72656
I am no expert but....it has something to do with "dual citizenship." sm
My best friend's husband was a Dutch citizen. (He has since been naturalized). They have 3 children. The kids could claim both Dutch and American citizenship up until the age of 18. Then they had to make a choice of which citizenship to renounce. Now that was back in the 80's so things may have changed since then. Not sure if this explains it or not.
Dual citizenship is not a crime. It's a privilege.
Repeat one GOOD reason?
Bottom line, no one can renounce the citizenship...sm
of an American citizen, period, whether they are adopted by a noncitizen or not. Obama had the right to claim Nigerian citizenship at age 21 but did not.
Interesting post regarding US Citizenship on another board...
Not true at all, even if your parent is a us citizen, if you are born in another country, you are a us citizen, but you are forever disqualified from running for president. This does not apply to military bases and diplomats. That is the law. My boss happens to have been born in canada to us citizens working there at the time. Took him 3 years to be able to get a passport to leave the us on vacation and yes they notified him he could never run for president. That is the difference between being a us citizen and a naturalized us citizen.
I believe it is also the same for anyone whom has ever claimed citizenship outside of the us, once you claim citizenship anywhere else, you are disqualified from running for president.
I don't tihnk a BC proof of citizenship is stupid.
Let the "stupid crap" go on until it is cleared up. I'm sick of hearing it, too, but I'll be dang if I want someone who is not a citizen to run our country. I want to know the truth and, so far, that truth isn't there. Too much secrecy (sp?) to warm my toes. It opens a whole 'nother can of worms if he is not a citizen, yet becomes president anyway.
It would mean a constitutional rule struck down and, (I shudder to think of this) even terrorists could run our country if they so desire and could pay off people who's vote count. Gee, do you want Chevez or Putnin to run our country? How about Ayers or Wright?
I'm just pointing out a few things here. There's too many question as why this was not resolved and why, all of a sudden, his records in Hawaii were sealed or whatever, after he went to "visit his sick grandmother."
Truth is all I want and I don't have it yet. But I will let the SC decide (if they weren't bribed) and then, I will embrace the O as a president until he screws up which, eventually, he will. He's coming off as "too perfect". There is no one "perfect" in my eyes.
I don't think dual citizenship applies to your kids -
Not being ugly, my daughter was born in Germany too, but I never heard that she had dual citizenship. She was born on a military base and that made her an American.
Okay...I will accept that....
but Cindy McCain did not deal. The laws that McCain wanted tighted up was on dealers...any dealers. As part of that he also called for more government funding of rehabilitation programs for all users (which would affect the lower income people, obviously higher income people can avoid their own rehab). I have no problem with tougher laws on dealers...be they poor, rich, white, black, or polka-dotted. Cindy McCain did not deal...she was a user, addicted to prescription meds. Like a bunch of other Americans...you read about it most every day, especially celebrities. Patrick Kennedy was hooked on prescription drugs. Just like Cindy McCain. Has his father at some point voted for tougher drug laws? I don't know, but I doubt he is opposed to it at the dealer level.
That is why I don't understand all the hooplah about McCain going after people for doing the same thing his wife did. I can't find any documentation that says he did.
That's all I am saying.
okay. I will accept that
site as a valid news organization.
If you want to accept............ sm
a blog over a news source, that is your choice.
REAL Americans don't recognize dual citizenship.
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It does not matter if he has quadruple citizenship was born on Pluto,
any other fool notion you can come up with. Obama is a citizen of the United States and no number of lawsuits, appeals, attorneys or McC camp supporters is going to change that. These ridiculous distractions have rendered the rest of this campaign down to the level of a technical moot point. When you are in a hole (as the wise SP has pointed out), the first thing you do is to stop digging. However, you guys have managed to run the clock so far down, that there is really no way out by this time. Congratulations on your failed campaign. Cut your losses, go back to the drawing board, decide what you need to be doing for your fractured party and try to figure out what you will be doing in 2012 about your leadership vacuum. The citizenship issue is a dead end. Believe it or not. Nobody cares because it poses no threat whatsoever to Obama if you continue to rale about this until h@ll freezes over.
Not true, No one can give up the citizenship of a child who is a US citizen. nm
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accept the aid, Bush
Frankly, Im ashamed of America. We can send as many troops and spend as much money as Bush wants for war, war, war but when it comes to people who through no fault of their own are homeless, displaced, starving, hot, sweaty, thirsty, just about at ropes end..nope, cant help them..or hang on, we will get around to ya, sometime. Any compassionate person would accept aid from other countries, including leftist countries, who we take oil from. Bush, instead of flying over, should be down there walking around..9/11, he is flying in a plane, the people are the targets on the ground and the heros on the ground, Katrina, he is flying in a plane, the people are the targets on the ground and the heros on the ground. When it gets down to it, if the money to shore up the levees was not cut and used for war and Haliburton, the money would have went to New Orleans so they could insure their citizens safety and the continuation of their beautiful town.
accept the help, Bush
I agree, Democrat. My mother is not a rich woman, she gets by with my father's retirement and whatever from his Army service in WWII, however, each year I know she struggles to heat her home (I have told her it is too big..five bedrooms, but it has been our family home for over 40 years, my father died in the home and she does not want to let it go). She pays a few hundred dollars a month on oil. To me that is unbelieveable because fortunately in CA, we have used natural gas but that too is going up, however, nothing like oil in the northeast. Whatever help other countries can send America, America needs to accept. The help Bush declines isnt gonna hurt him, its gonna hurt the citizens of America.
Well, TT...please accept my apology...
I spoke out of turn. While I do have personal knowledge of Mexican immigrants who became citizens, I don't know anyone in the DAR personally. I should not have made that comment. Not like me, but as I stated, trotter pushes my buttons. At any rate...shame on me.
And as to being a daughter of the confedracy, I have no problems there either. I have a friend who is a descendant of Robert E. Lee. He was a fascinating man. His decision to secede took a horrible toll on him. He wanted to preserve the Union as much as Lincoln did. Both great men with great vision.
So, TT, accept my apology for the "tea" comment. Fell prey to stereotypical comment, was wrong of me to do. I would love to learn more about the DAR, so I am going to practice what I preach, and start reading.
You go girl! :)
cant accept any responsibility
for her own actions -- the dems MAKE her do it. Yeah, she's an independent. You can put your shoes in the oven but that don;t make 'em biscuits
He has but the loons cannot accept the
Poor loons. They are riding for a fall.
I did....you refuse to accept it.
Go tweak someone else for a while.
Which figure would you have us accept?
the 38% (average) disapproval, the 60% somewhat approval or the 34% strong approval ratings, all with that wide, wide +/- 14% margin of error? Don't see a whole lot of difference there. Like I said, 76% overall approval (CNN)...not too shabby after the week from he!!.
that was quite in style and I accept
your apology. Thank you very much.
Excuse me. If we are to accept 20 months as
by population and the 6 years as the mayor of a hamlet in Alaska with population of 5000 (at the time of her administration), then surely we should not be expected to overlook the 7 years he served in the state senate in Illinois in the 5th largest state in the union by population, some 13,000,000 people. More importantly, check out SP's 8 stated positions on political issues and how well they stack up with the 139 positions O has on the same issues as posted here: http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm
What I am looking for is somebody who was paying attention while they were building their resumes.
I do accept her as a nice person and...sm
I am never rude to her or mean or anything. It is just I see the financial ruin our country is in and I think there are no telling how many illegal immigrants the government is paying for to have children and other benefits. Our government cannot afford this and it isn't right for them to cheat our country out of money when they are illegally here. And there are people who are legal American citizens who can't get this help from the government but someone who is breaking the law can. It just doesn't seem right. And who can blame her for not wanting to live here rather than in Mexico? BUT why not go through the appropriate means to do this? Legally? Become a US citizen and pay taxes like other US citizens do. If you want the benefits of living in America you should pay for it like everyone else, i.e. taxes.
You are wrong. I did accept Obama as
president, but now I am questioning this Emanual, a terrorist son and so on. What I have read about him is scary. Why couldn't he pick Col. Powell, like I thought he would? or at least someone with class with no ties to terrorists. Now Obama and Emanual and Lord knows who else? I am deeply concerned about the USA. He is going to change this country alright. I hope it is for the good, but so far as today with his selection, I am not seeing it.
You expect us to accept this bluster?
This election has been as clean as clean can get, especially when compared to 2000 and 2004. As you can see by the overall 2008 results, democrats don't have to throw elections to assume power.
Accept my sincerest apology for s/m
""lumping"" you in. I totally agree with you about both sides being guilty of the outrageous spending. The pork has always been there -- this is a very old concept. I infuriates me to hear the conservatives putting all the blame on the other side, when this has always been a nonpartisan issue. I just think it is ridiculous to jump to conclusions before anything is given a reasonable amount of time to see if it works or not and, I, for one, am willing to be a little more patient before I start going off the deep end.
I'm quite prepared to accept your assessment that
After all, who would know better?
The question is, how long are you going to drive around on that flat tire?
children were being taught to accept the
lifestyle of homosexuals in their sex education classes, is that right? Might we assume that is why you don't teach them your views on this issue at home? Please explain the great truth you found in JTBB's post to us.
Immigration attys probable grasp basic citizenship concepts.
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What the Indonesian govt requires for adoption, citizenship, religious affiliation
anything else is of NO CONCERN to the US govt when it comes to recognizing or preserving citizenship status of a natural born US citizen. Check the constitution. Check the State Department website. Check the immigration law statutes and stop making a complete idjit of yourself. You have been hanging in the fringe chat rooms too long. His citizenship was not renounced. I am sure his parents jumped through whatever hoops they needed to in order to live in the country and enroll their child in school, much the same way my own daughter is doing with her child while living in a Moslem country in the Middle East. They hold passports from there AND American passports and do not have to immigrate back to the country of their origin. The US govt turns a blind eye to this and preserves the integrity of its natural born folks. My God, you are a dense one, aren't you?
He is your PRESIDENT. Accept it or move out of the country.
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dr's urge america to accept cuba's offer
Doctors Urge US To Accept Cuba's Offer Of 1586
Disaster-Trained Doctors
By Ken Thomas
Associated Press Writer
9-8-5
ATLANTA (PRNewswire) -- A prominent U.S. medical group
voiced deep concern over delays in health care and
epidemic prevention reaching Katrina victims, and
urged U.S. authorities to accept Cuba's offer of 1586
disaster-trained physicians to prevent a second wave
of sickness and death.
Latest reports indicate the U.S. State Department is
backing away from the offer, implying they are not
needed.
Up to this point, there been a clear need for more
medical help for Katrina victims, said Peter Bourne,
MD, Chairman of MEDICC and former special adviser on
health in the Carter White House and former Assistant
Secretary General at the United Nations. The Cuban
physicians are accustomed to working in difficult
third-world conditions without the resources and
supplies most of us are accustomed to. Since they are
just an hour away, it is a shame that they have not
been allowed to join our committed medical corps
already.
He is joined by other physicians, medical educators,
international health experts and a former U.S. surgeon
general associated with MEDICC, Medical Education
Cooperation with Cuba. From 1998 through 2004, MEDICC
has provided medical electives in Cuba for nearly 1000
students and faculty from 118 U.S. medical, public
health and nursing schools.
Cuba has been recognized by the UN, Oxfam and other
international organizations as a leader in disaster
response, expertise that could be saving lives now,
said Doctor William Keck, former long-time director of
the Akron, Ohio Department of Public Health.
A 2004 Oxfam Report, Weathering the Storm: Lessons in
Risk Reduction from Cuba, states that there are real
lessons to be learned from Cuba on how to safeguard
lives during extreme natural disasters, including
getting medical attention to vulnerable populations.
The report can be found at
http://www.oxfamamerica.org/cuba.
On Tuesday, August 30, Cuba first offered U.S.
authorities hurricane relief in the form of 1100
disaster-trained bilingual physicians, each equipped
with 52-pound pound backpacks of medical supplies,
including rehydration therapy, insulin,
anti-hypertensives, and medications for systemic and
topical infections.
On Saturday, September 3, Cuba increased the offer to
1586 doctors, ready for immediate deployment and
prepared to stay as long as necessary to help wherever
needed. A Cuban spokesperson said that as of today
there has been no official response from the U.S.
government.
Cuban disaster relief experience spans 45 years,
mainly in hurricanes faced by the Caribbean island and
in coping with disasters confronted by other
developing countries. Another nearly 25,000 Cuban
health professionals provide longer-term health care
services in 68 countries, under
government-to-government agreements.
Cuba trains 10,500 medical students from 27 countries
at its Latin American Medical School -- 65 of them
from poor and minority communities in the USA. (See
The New England Journal of Medicine, 2004;
351:2680-82.)
What an irony that the first U.S. MD to graduate from
the school this August is a young African American
from New Orleans, said Diane Appelbaum, RN, NP, MS.
He just passed the U.S. medical boards and is eager
to fulfill the commitment he made in exchange for his
free education from Cuba to serve the very
poverty-stricken areas now devastated.
For additional first-hand reports and interviews from
Cuba, please see MEDICC's on-line journal, MEDICC
Review at http://www.medicc.org, Archives, Vol VI, No.
3, 2004 Disaster Management in Cuba: Reducing the
Risk.
MEDICC (Medical Education Cooperation with Cuba) is a
non-profit organization based in Atlanta. MEDICC is
committed to maintaining institutional and educational
links between the U.S. and Cuban medical communities.
MEDICC publishes the English-language journal MEDICC
Review, reporting on Cuba's medical and public health
programs, available at
http://www.medicc.org.
Go ahead, I'm sure she will accept your help. Email her and find out where to mail your help. nm
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You must accept Michelle Obama's racist bent, then...
in the way she has spoken out, especially during the campaign months, correct?
Thanks for sharing your story. It was very moving. But I meant your bullying attitude towards other posters, when they don't engage you.
I realize it is hard to accept, when it is revealed that your idol....
has clay feet.
why then does Netanyahu till now NOT accept the 2-state solution?...nm
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if you accept and confuse slander as freedom of speech
I would not like to socialize with you.
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