Get Informed, I agree with you too,

and I enjoy the politics of it all, but I am truly very concerned what is going on.  How in the world can a man who says he puts "Country First" in such peril?  It might be funny if it wasn't so deadly serious.  If McPain gets in the WH, will just have a ball with what money we have set aside, maybe go to Alaska and just hope a polar bear comes along and has one good last meal.....lol sort of.  LOL.

• SP on ABC News - Get informed
  • As a mom of 3 young men, I remember - another oldtimer
  • I saw it too and thought she did great! - Face it, you just hate her, no matter what.nm
    • Lots of folks DO hate her. Something underneath all the - smiles, the up-do, and the glasses
      • And that is a reason to hate her. well... - sam
      • I think a lot of the naysayers or just plain green... - with envy
        • While you're at it, get a brain! - Get Informed
        • Green with NAUSEA is more accurate. - She's a worldwide joke.
          • Just in your little world.... - with envy
            • Ehhh, there's enouth hate & bile amongst the - 'pubicans to get her elected.
              • That's just it. It is the left that hates, trashes this - woman, for that I would NEVER join your club.nm
                • Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there - have been any invitations.
                • I dont think the left cares. They are always this way. - Hate anyone not agreeing with them. nm
                  • I guess we better all rememer your post, the next time - the pubs get all verklempt about generalization.
  • There's also talk that she won't rule out - sm - Perplexed
    • Let's put it in proper context.... - sam
      • Fight terrorists where they live. Iraq=Shia OBL=Sunni - Afghanistan=Sunni. Basic Islam...sm
        • The fact remains, she gave the correct answer. - sam
          • No points for you or - for SP. sm
            • "He (Obama) chairs the subcommittee on Europe. ... He's held not one substantive hearing to do - sam
              • JM/SP foreign policy exactly what? - Lets compare notes. sm
              • Too bad this poster doesn't put this much energy - into working. But being a 'pub,
      • I have determined that liberals are the biggest - hypocrites, dishonest. It is sad, really.nm
        • What is sad is the reinvention of pub/Rove campaign... - Pay attention - might learn
          • They never WILL learn - that's what's so sad. - Doomed to keep on repeating - sm
            • uppidity - Frailand
          • What is sad is you wont even open your eyes to - Obama. He is a phony. -and wishy-washy.nm
            • And you are an expert on him because....???? - Do tell.
  • No wonder they don't let her loose with the media. - A wind-up Q&A with multiple choice responses...sm
  • I saw the same thing....she was absolutely fantastic....sm - ms
    • She was great. Try though he did, he... - sam
      • my goodness....am I ever popular tonight....lol... - ms
        • Well, obviously they weren't impress with the moderator's call... - sam
          • last worditis - nm
            • stalker. nm - sam
              • Get in that last word! Wouldn't want you to - have an aneurysm or anything...
      • Gibson softballed this interview. Why shouldn't he - treat her like one of the grownups?sm
      • She couldn't stray from her script..... - sm
      • Hey sam....glad to see you, but I'm still checking out....have to...sm - ms
        • Hey ms... - sam
          • So smug. So self assured. So blind to anyone's - view but Sam's own.
            • Please disregard....this post is not - another oldtimer
              • Unfortunately, to get to that level he'd have to - RAISE him/herself a few notches.
            • So now we have those wishing for my demise.... - sam
              • Ive wished for worse things......................... - ..........................!
                • I bet you have. Your mother must be so proud. nm - sam
                  • Last-worditis - nm
                    • stalker. nm - sam
                      • Religionopathy strikes another poor soul blind. - !
            • come on now - twaddle
          • Republican trustworthiness - twaddle
            • Oh yeah? - Get Informed
              • is that you Sarah? - twaddle
                • Sorry about that. - Get Informed
        • ms - Get Real Informed
        • Gonna go to Alaska if McPain wins and - mae
          • Sold!!!! Grizzly would be a better choice though. - nm
      • nucular - Get Informed
    • thanks for the link...yep, she flat out lied - sm
      • Not only that...SHE'S A MORON - sm
        • Your mamma taught you no manners. Nice to have - freedom to talk trash, huh? yep. nm
        • I like you!!! - Get Informed
          • I'm with you!!!! - sm
    • I see all the dems are out in force...keep it up ladies...sm - ms
      • C'mon! She didn't even know what - mae
        • hmmmm....four against one....sure feels like a gang to me....lol - ms
          • Shall we pretend to agree with you just to make you feel better? - Grow Up
            • That's the problem with 'em all - they just CAN'T - HAVE anyone not seeing things their way.
          • I'll bet.... - Get Informed
        • She knew; she didn't know which part he was talking about... - sam
          • SP's war on terrorism crash course - B4 next interview. sm
            • Wow - thank you for the eye opener! - nm
            • Yes, the author of this is completely... - sam
              • Wasn't the war about getting... - nm
                • We could have had him when Clinton was President.... - sam
              • No I think it's another deadly case of - - religinopathy. (nm)
              • Last-worditis again. - (Never ends, does it?)
                • stalker. m, - sam
                  • Haha - see what I mean? It's like an OCD thing - with her.
      • Rave Reviews - MQ Sucks
        • Oh, if I want to know the left's reaction I just have to come here.... - sam
          • Last worditis - sm
            • You're repeating yourself. Get some coffee. :) - sam
              • That's right - you tell us all what to do, - Know-It-All.
    • McCain voted 90% on Bush's side... - sm
      • The big republican machine does not care....sm - oldtimer
        • U R right - Palin is just a prop - nm
      • So did the majority of Congress, Dem and Repub... - sam
        • Last-worditis - nm
          • stalker. nm - sam
            • Psycho... - nm
    • SP on ABC News - Get informed
    • "Woe to the other side who does not - mae
      • I would like to have had the same type... - sam
      • Woe is her. - Get informed
        • I will miss Tim Russert. sm - oldtimer
        • Get Informed, I agree with you too, - mae
          • that should read "Country First" and - mae

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that President Bush's applauses & Fred Thompson's speech were apparently edited out or ignored from MSLSD (NBC) and CBS.  If that's the case, how responsible is that?  That's as bad as MQ being the only MTSO out there, period.

Fred Thompson was incredible last PM.  I suppose I'll have to dig that one out for those who think the news is on the drive-by channels like these.

That's certainly not to diminish Joe Lieberman's speech.  Even when he was running for VP, the GOP wouldn't go "after him," only challenge the issues.  He's a perfect example of a liberal who puts country before party.  Frankly, it's impossible to dislike the man, regardless of what side he's on. 

I've been following the candidates throughout this whole process. O is not going to cure our ills. He will just put us more into debt. I would have loved to hear the crap spewed by BOTH but let's face it. If the O wins and any of his dem affiliates and everything is democratic, there goes the checks and balances; i.e., they can put through any law with smooth sailing and nary a person can undermine it.

Do you understand and see what I'm saying???? Probably not.  Let me put it in English....if the O wants to ban guns, it will be done. If the O wants to tax people that earn $1,000  a year (just a supposition), it will be done. If the O wants to tax us to death on health care, it will be done. If he wants us to rely on the government for our income, it will be done.

We need checks and balances so we don't become another Cuba or Russia. Don't you get that? If the dems control everything, there's no way this will be "for the people, of the people" demoncracy. It will be Venezula, Cuba, Russia, China, etc.,  so called republic and I'm not looking forward to it.

BTW, I split my vote so you can't call me a pub.

of the truth (which I posted below) and are spreading the "mandatory" myth, which inflames and upsets people.

Obama's programs are inclusive and designed for those who choose to participate for the good of the country, to bring us closer together.  If you want no part of that, then, that's your choice, and though I personally think it's sad, it's probably for the best.  Either way, it's your CHOICE and is NOT MANDATORY.

the Supreme Court's decision on eminent domain, either, and I also hope that guy buys Souter's property and turns it into a hotel.  I love the name of the restaurant he wants to build in the hotel: Just Desserts.  (I can't remember which TV show I saw that on because, contrary to those on these boards who already have me figured out, I DON'T only watch MSNBC.  I actually flip back and forth between MSNBC and Fox.  I'm sure it was one one of those stations, though.)

And I totally agree with a woman's right to choose.

I do have a problem with partial birth abortions, based on my limited understanding of it, which is what I've heard the conservatives say about a full or nearly full-term baby being basically born and then "beaten to death" by the doctor.  (From what I've discovered from some conservatives on these boards in the past few days, I take everything they say with a grain of salt and accept the possibility up front that it's an exaggerated statement devoid of critical facts.)

But if this is indeed true, then I don't know how it could be considered anything BUT murder.  And I don't understand the issue regarding the health of the mother because if the mother can survive the delivery of a baby that can survive outside the womb, then the issue would seem nonexistent. (Again, I don't know that much about it.)

I also have mixed feelings about children and abortion.  One the one hand, it is a surgical procedure, and if my child can't even have her ears pierced without my consent, then certainly she shouldn't be allowed to have a surgical procedure without my consent.

But what about if she's been impregnated as the result of a rape by her father or other family member?  That sick stuff DOES happen in this country.  What if she knows she wants an abortion?  Should she be forced to have the baby?  I can think of situations where she might be safer if the parents didn't know, but yet I still feel the parents have a right to know.  I'm very conflicted about this particular issue and can't say I have a definite opinion.  That's why I'd like to hear more on the subject from some intelligent, thoughtful, nonjudgmental people.

As far as gay marriages, I admit I get a little "twinge" at the use of the word "marriage." It might be that something deep in my gut is telling me that marriage SHOULD be between a man and a woman.  After all, WE invented it and WE wrecked it.  I think they should invent a new name for their unions because from what I've personally seen, gay couples seem to last for a very long time, much longer than some marriages I know. As far as whether or not they should have rights, why SHOULDN'T they?  I don't recall a day during puberty when I woke up and made the decision that I was going to be straight.  Likewise, I'm willing to bet that no gay person woke up and decided to be gay.  I just don't understand why people are so threatened by the thought that a group might actually have RIGHTS in this country.  As with abortion or stem cell research, etc., if they don't believe in it, they shouldn't PARTICIPATE IN IT. I'm neither pro-gay or anti-gay.  (A quick look in the mirror, though, reminds me that I'm definitely pro-gray. )

With all of these social issues, as you said, we will "stand in judgment with our maker."  That's between us and our own personal God, and those with different religious/spiritual beliefs have no right to shove their beliefs down our throat.

I saw a post on the other board referring to when the U.S. was founded, saying that the vast majority was Christian but that others were given "the freedom to others not to believe..."  

NOBODY can "give" anyone "freedom" to either believe or not to believe, and the fact that this poster thinks they can is either very stupid or very scary, and I'm not exactly sure which it is. I think this is relevant because I believe there are some conservatives out there who don't only want the law to reflect their specific narrow brand of religion, but they would LOVE to be able to control what people think and believe.

Knowing that Bush is going to appoint one (maybe two before the end of the year) new Supreme Court Justice(s) scares me because, as you said, our rights are being slowly taken away, and this man has proven by his own actions that the personal freedoms of others aren't things that he cares for much, especially freedom of speech and ideas. That's why he banned anyone who didn't agree 100% with his views from all of his "open town hall" meetings.

We also have an evangelical Senator who holds a public meeting in a search and says that liberals aren't people of faith.

First, it's freedom of speech.  Next, it will be freedom of religion.  What about freedom of "thought." 

I wonder what their views on stem cell research would be if it was discovered that stem cell research held the key to developing a new technique to control thought processes of those who disagree with them.

However, I don't think it's because of President Bush AND his DADDY. I think George W. came into office hell bent on finishing what his daddy DIDN'T finish and only needed a reason, real or invented, to "finish" it.  And I totally agree with you when you say that this was his personal agenda. I think the disconnect is that many people want him to focus on terror, but his personal agenda has always caused his focus instead to be on Iraq, and I personally am very fearful for the future of this country as a result of that.

I believe they will definitely find a way to twist it if some are found guilty. Under no circumstances will they admit that this administration could possibly do anything wrong.

It should be criminal to expose children to such hostility and insanity. It sounds like real violence could have ensued if these whackos would have been crossed in any way.

I almost feel for some of these people.  A brief visit to the Conservative board left me thinking I should have worn a helmet and worn body armor.  Although it's a scary place over there, it must be terrible to exist inside a body that harbors such rage and hatred every day, 24/7.  I don't understand what has happened to their religion, but my Christian religion still promotes love, tolerance, respect and the principles of the Golden Rule, all attributes that seem completely foreign to them.  All they do is trash others and haven't contributed one positive thing to that board.

Sometimes I think there isn't much difference between these people and the terrorists who attacked us and other countries.  They both exhibit signs of mental illness, a maniacal obsession with controlling what everyone believes, and they both promote hatred, violence and intolerance in the name of their respective gods.  About the only main difference I can see is that the terrorists, unfortunately, seem to be much more intelligent in their pursuit of their goals.

I had the same feeling about Roberts and I was glad to hear he had done this pro bono work.

Let's hope he really is a "good guy" with a heart and a brain.

With every day that passes, I feel less and less hope.  I've never been this frightened of a politician in my entire life.

And I wonder if we had stepped it up a while back, how much of this would be going on today.  The more we delay, the better they get at their "craft."

I wish we had never gone in there to begin with and think it's one of the biggest mistakes a president could have ever made.  But we're there, and we can't just go in there, turn their country upside down and leave without leaving them with some semblance of normalcy.  Those who said this is a quagmire were right on the money.

Anyone who has anything less than a hate Bush agenda should burn in hell as far as GT is concerned.  I too don't agree with Bush 100% on everything, but that does not matter to GT.  If you agree with Bush on anything you should not pass GO and go straight to hell along with Bush's Stepford wife and alcoholic daughters.  Am I painting that picture correctly GT?

I am a moderate conservative, and a Republican, although I'd consider a moderate Democrat like Joe Lieberman or somebody reasonable, however, the Democrats won't nomiate anybody like that, so my vote stays Republican. 

As for hand outs and hand ups... There's a big difference between somebody who is unable to work and somebody who is unwilling to work.  The individual who is physically or mentally unable to work, or the hard working family who falls on hard times for whatever reason that is out of their control, those people deserve some help.  Hands outs/hands up, whatever you want to call it should be viewed as a stepping stone to self sufficiency. 

I feel for the innocent victims (children) of those who embrace a lifestyle of just taking free money from those of us in society who work hard, but I havn't much compassion for able bodied young people who refuse to work.  If an uneducated person is working hard but not making enough to sustain themselves they can avail themselves of food stamps, WIC, free school lunches, and I don't a problem with that.  But, drive through a poor neighborhood and watch the young healthy people sitting on stoops and standing on corners doing nothing all day instead of working.  Whether it be pursuing their GED, or taking vocational classes, they should be at least thinking of bettering themselves instead of just resigning to a life of free hand outs.

I hear ya and yes I agree we should stay away..There are a lof of other political boards through the net, where we can discourse/debate with conservatives over ideas and America without being attacked like mad dogs (I hate to use the analogy as mad dogs as my dogs are much kinder than the conservatives who post here..smile)..

I think O'Reilly got a taste of his own medicine and was about to lose it.  I roared when Phil called him Billy, and Phil in no way denigrated Bill's nephew, but Phil had asked if any of O'Reilly's kids are serving in Iraq.  O'Reilly tried to use his nephew's service to detract from the fact that NONE of his own children are there.  I think that's what made O'Reilly the angriest:  The fact that Phil zapped him on that point.

And now that Libby (yuck! I should change my moniker) and Rove are both implicated in the Plame scandal, it will be interesting to see what Fitzgerald's findings are, and they should be coming soon.

I also agree about Cheney.  He's very scary.  There is definitely a very shrewd, conniving network at work in this administration, and Bush simply isn't bright enough to do this on his own.  And there are no standards of decency left on any level in this administration, which is incredible for the CONs, considering all they ever babble about is their superior *decency*.  For example, they blatantly lie without blinking an eye, as do some of their more dedicated followers.  If anyone dares to disagree with this president, the response it to DESTROY the opponent (not unlike what happens on these boards, only to a more dangerous degree, such as exposing Valerie Plame, for example).  Nothing is out of bounds any more.

I'm eagerly awaiting the results of Fitzgerald's investigation.