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Good discussion on PBS' Lehrer News Hour

Posted By: Observer on 2005-09-03
In Reply to:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/political_wrap/july-dec05/bop_9-2.html


 


Very good discussion of the political ramifications of the current governmental failure in this emergency - includes New York Times columnist David Brooks, a Republican with some rather surprisingly accurate statements.




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Every hour you spend trashing O is one less hour
Just exactly what is it you think the nation needs to hear about? You are running your clock out on an empty tank of gas.
The good news is
Now that O is changing the constitution to allow a foreign born like himself become the next president I think Arnold might have a good shot at it next election. Or is the O only going to change it to allow only himself be allowed to be president.
A bit of good news....(sm)

updated 1 hour, 34 minutes ago


TEHRAN, Iran - The lawyer for an Iranian-American student detained in Tehran said his client has been released on bail.


Mohammad Ali Dadkhah said Tuesday that Esha Momeni was released Monday evening on $200,000 bail.


The lawyer said the 28-year-old student at California State University planned to leave for the U.S. as soon as possible.


He said authorities had not imposed a travel ban on Momeni. But, he said, she could still go to trial on unspecified "security charges."


Momeni's father said he put up the deed to the family's Tehran apartment to cover the bail.


Momeni was detained on Oct. 15. Activists believe she was arrested for her involvement in a women's rights campaign.


Well that's good news
Glad you liked my rant. Man was I hot when I wrote it. I'm so sick of politics being an "aristocrat thing". How many good politicians go unnoticed and don't have a chance just because they don't have tons of money or a "name".
Where can I just get some good ol news

I'd like opinions of where you get your news, what stations do you find give an equal balance.  Please don't bash other stations because as for as many acronyms as I have heard about one news station, I've heard equal many about the others. 


I don't watch Fox or MSNBC - those two are so blatanly biased.  I used to watch CNN until the Clinton's got in, then they became the Clinton News Network, never reporting the truth about the goings on of that administration.  Today I thought I'd go back to them to see if they calmed it down a bit with the love affair with the Clinton, but sure enough today I heard Wolf Blitzer say "Is the decade of Clinton bashing over".  I'm just flabbergasted and astounded at the complete ignorance of that station.  Ever since the Clinton's came into action the media has fallen over backwards with their love affair for them.  So, this morning I realized that all three stations, Fox, MSNBC, and CNN won't do it for me.


Where do you all get your news and why do you like it.


This would only be good news IF the.....
job market were progressing upward at the same rate; otherwise, these new houses will sit empty along with foreclosed ones. You don't think this information is manipulated to make you "feel" better about something - after listening to O talking about "crisis" for so many weeks in a row? This won't last, I assure you!
well then that's good news for us liberals!!!
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Good news - 2 things
Item #1 is that Michelle Obama has strongly stated she does not want HC picked as VP. (Am sure she is thinking the same thing - she wants to see her husband live through his term).

Item #2 in a poll of 80% of 550 major political figures, 43% say Barack will be the next president, 38% John McCain & 19% HC.
Good news if you want to believe a liberal
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About time we got a little good news! nm
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Good for Fox News...they refused to run an ad against Obama...

put together by a private citizen (not the McCain campaign), the same guy who was behind the swift boat ads against Kerry.  They could have run it and they chose not to.  Good for them!  I admit, there is cause for concern about Obama's connection to Ayers, but that kind of ad where it is mean accusation and innuendo with no real proof shouldn't be run, in my opinion.  Good for them for stepping up.   


Good Source for (more) objective news
http://www.democracynow.org/
North Korea: This is not good news

I was surfing a bit this morning and found this news article from N. Korea. I doubt things will cool off for a long time, if ever. The article headlines state: "Lee Myung-Bak's Group Military Provocations Blasted. From there, it calls him a puppet war monger and states how Myung-Bak outbursts "over the non-existant provocation (my emphasis) by the North."


http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm


This is good news. It is a reflection of public opinion of the..sm
republican party and how they are running the country. Hope this tide keeps on rolling.
Housing market on upswing - good news!



by: Lucia Mutikani  |  Visit article original @ Reuters


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US housing starts rose sharply in February, providing some good news for the struggling housing industry. (Photo: AP)



    Washington - New U.S. housing starts and permits unexpectedly rebounded in February, according to data on Tuesday that provided a rare dose of good news for the recession-hit economy and fractured housing market.


    The Commerce Department said housing starts jumped 22.2 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 583,000 units from 477,000 units in January. That was the biggest percentage rise since January 1990 and also marked the first increase since last April.


    "That is an encouraging sign for the U.S. economy. It is good signal of what is to come. With the rally in equities we hopefully have seen a bottom for the economy here," said Matt Esteve, foreign exchange trader at Tempus Consulting in Washington.


    U.S. stocks have been on the rise over the last several days and the major indexes opened flat on Tuesday. U.S. government bond prices trimmed gains after the data and the U.S. dollar fell against the euro as risk aversion eased.


Good. I hadn't heard the news yet that he's finally
going up for trial. I've listened to all the stations but haven't heard it yet. It's about time. There's plenty that crowd needs to be held responsible for. However, this post was not about Bush is was about the messiah. How convenient for you to switch the subject.
Very good point!!! The world doesn't see any of that on the news! Thanks for posting that! nm
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About an hour a week.
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Ok, no more 5-hour energy for you...lol (sm)
While I usually agree with most of your posts, because I tend to flip flop a little between left and right myself, I am sure that conspiracy theory is incorrect. I don't think Obama is going to just be a martyr for the democratic party.  I actually think that regardless of which candidate wins there will be a danger of assassination.  It doesn't take the majority to be racist, it just takes one nutjob really. But really I think you were up too late and hyped up a bit too much and letting your mind wander a little too far.  I am sure there were lots of reasons Biden was chosen but no, that hypothesis you stated is kinda too far out there.
He makes $10 an hour
They only work 36 hours a week and taxes are taken out equaling $300 a week. Not his choice to work half days on Friday, its the companies. He tries to pick up odd jobs with his brother when they can, but right now they are lucky to even be building houses the housing market is so slow.
Why the huff? The debate will be - what? An hour?
be around long after that, and other debates after it, are long forgotten. And most likely after the 'bailout' money all gets squandered, as well. The problem didn't happen overnight, and it's certainly not going away overnight, either.
It took about an hour after I viewed the video.
It is better than just reading something that is posted and believing it on its face. If I really hated Democrats as I have been accused of, I would have accepted it at face value. I didn't. And now that I know the truth, you could not pay me enough to vote for a Democrat this election. When a party messes up this badly they need to be held accountable, and at the ballot box is the best place to do that.
Full unedited almost 2 hour interview -

of Mike Wallace with Iranian President will be on CSPAN Monday evening.


http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/fullschedule.csp?timeid=212022255651


Man! I spent only a half hour looking at that site!
I could have spent more time but I'm was limited to the half hour. This man spent a lot of time deciphering and examining the certificate. I wonder if they will call on him to testify (probably not).
They do in my state - 1 40-hour week.........earthling..........nm

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A hate crime occurs at least once every hour in the

Wasn't this predicted recently?


http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gvUetkOxJwgY0GbCxg1_f75A1CqA


If that is all you got out of this discussion, please, do bow out.
As I see from your other posts you just tend to step in and make random irrational comments, I'm sorry I even replied to your post.


What exactly is illogical, and where was the discussion?
There certainly *is* a feral element on the right that will attack anyone viciously if it serves their purposes - nothing is sacred to them - and they don't respect "logic" any more than they respect the mothers of deceased soliders. I've spent years talking to these people. It took me a long time to reluctantly come to the conclusion that you can't reason with them because they don't respect reason. You can't find common ground because they don't want to share any ground - they want it all. You can't speak to them in a sincere way because they will take that as a sign of weakness and attack you all the harder. You can't deal with them fairly and expect to be treated fairly in return - they will lie at the drop of a hat. Their intention is not to be tolerant of others but to crush any dissent and run smear campaigns against those who are not "like" them. Now that's just my experience with this specific element on the right. It's just my opinion but it's far from illogical to draw conclusions from many years of personal experience. If you are a progressive, may you have better luck than I in trying to find a human face amongst that particular element I'm referring to. If you are a Republican and you actually want to discuss something, it seems like there are plenty of people here including me who would be willing to discuss an issue without getting personal. But no matter who you are, don't expect me or anyone else who's had my experience with the ugly among the right to parse their words or try to be falsely sweet and forgiving toward a specific group of people who are just flat downright dangerous and despicable, and don't deserve to be kid-gloved.
I really enjoyed the discussion, as well.
It was nice to have a peaceful discussion with differing viewpoints. Peace to you, too. 
Could you please take your discussion to your own board

PLEASE.


This is the liberal board, or at least that what it says.  I don't understand why you guys have taken it over.


This discussion is about where Bush was and was not.
Ignored the most devastating natural disaster in recent US history.
new topic for discussion

McCain's cross in the dirt story he tells now -- history of:


 


how similar the McCain story is to that offered by Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsen and then later popularized by Christian leaders Chuck Colson and Billy Graham. Sullivan also points out other suspicious changes:


The story changed from the guard using a sandal to the guard using a stick.


At Saddleback, McCain talked about a single guard being the protagonist. The same guard loosened his ropes and then later sketchd the cross in the dirt. In McCain's 1999 book, these were two different guards at two different prison camps.


McCain's first writings about his time in captivity didn't mention the story at all, so he's asked his readers for evidence of McCain offering that story prior to his 1999 book (when he was gearing up for a presidential run).


Several contributors to the comment thread on my first post have pointed to this rather stunning New York Times piece from 2000 in which McCain tells the story but about someone else!


Many years ago a scared American prisoner of war in Vietnam was tied in torture ropes by his tormentors and left alone in an empty room to suffer through the night. Later in the evening a guard he had never spoken to entered the room and silently loosened the ropes to relieve his suffering. Just before morning, that same guard came back and re-tightened the ropes before his less humanitarian comrades returned. He never said a word to the grateful prisoner, but some months later, on a Christmas morning, as the prisoner stood alone in the prison courtyard, the same good Samaritan walked up to him and stood next to him for a few moments. Then with his sandal, the guard drew a cross in the dirt. Both prisoner and guard both stood wordlessly there for a minute or two, venerating the cross, until the guard rubbed it out and walked away.

 


I think they had a family discussion ...
and they decided as a family to go forward. And this would not be an issue had there are those judgmental among us who decided to make it one. In this day and time for the Dems here, of ALL People, to act all holier-than-thou and act like being pregnant not married still carries some kind of stigma just stinks to high heaven. These same people who have told us to go back to our churches and not push our morality on them. The hypocrisy is staggering. The very people they called judgmental are the ones surrounding this family to support them, not ostracizing them like they had announced their daughter was a pedophile or a serial killer.

I would put the judgment here much MORE in question than Sarah Palin's, and I think a lot of people out there in America whose lives this very thing has touched will do the same.

And I would say that regardless of what party affiliation she has too. If that was a Democrat running for VP and people wre bashing her in this way I would be yelling foul just as loud.

It just amazes me the depths some will sink to for political purposes. INcluding fileting a 17-year-old. Just because her mother made the announcement did not mean poeple were obligated to attack..that was a choice and it taking that choice says a lot about character...or the screaming lack thereof.
we are having a mature discussion
about politics and religion, please do not start posting useless dribble. Thank you.
a "mature" discussion about

seeing black men run through the house, black arms coming out from under the bed, and several people talking to Jesus in the flesh?  Okay then.  I will bow out.


Don't read too much into this discussion. It just happens...sm
to be the news of the day. I do find it amusing though that her clothes came from the stores that they did. NM has $3000 handbags, etc, very HIGH prices and she probably only got a few outfits for the RNC's $150,000. I am sure that she didn't choose to get her wardrobe from these stores. She was probably staying in a hotel and the repub bigwigs called the department stores and told them what to bring over and what size, charge it to us. They were molding her to what they wanted her to be in order to get votes. It backfired. I actually feel sorry for her now. I hope she gets to keep her new clothes. She will probably be glad to get back to Alaska and out of the lower 48.
No, actually I'm not begging for discussion..
I am simply pointing out diversity.  I've seen numerous posts on here from christians, and I really don't feel a need to debate their religion every time I see it.  In fact, I respect other's opinions and beliefs, especially when they are willing to express them.....something you should try.
haven't been following this discussion at all BUT
isn't that calling the kettle black? I only clicked on this message cause it was the latest posted one... and after reading it i go... um excuse me... did you EVER given the current administration a break? for ANYTHING? And i dont want to hear they did this and this and this and this. that's fine, people were against them from the beginning too. This happens on BOTH sides, why doesn't everyone agree that there are hypocrites on each side!!! that is hypocritical in itself when you ALWAYS point fingers at the other side! Differing opinions is one thing, but to say that the RIGHT cant give this government a break? Well that's because they OPPOSE what it is they stand for! just like the left opposes what the right stands for!!!!
You call that discussion?
By definition, a discussion is give and take. An informed opinion on a complex issue takes more than a snarky one-liner on a subject line. It's really easy to define an opinion with which you disagree as "endless babble."

Besides, message boards are lousy places to have a true discussion about anything.
Here's a topic for discussion

Leaving criminal penalties out of the equation:  Is it immoral to break the law? 


What if you consider the law immoral (such as, for example, segregation)?  What if you consider integration immoral?  How much does individual conscience have to do with this?  Easy to say someone else's conscience is in error, but they are saying the same about yours.


Some people try to short their taxes because the money goes to fund a war they do not believe in (there's usually one going on) or to fund abortions, or medical research they abhor, and now to bail out failed businesses and individual mortgages.  I think everyone could find something that's funded by our tax money objectionable.  How much are we morally required to render unto Caesar?


It's illegal to overstay a parking meter.  Is it also immoral if you did it intentionally, simply because you've violated a law?  How about sliding through a red light at 3 a.m. on a deserted country road when you could not possibly injure anyone? 


If it's legal to raise rent past a tenant's ability to pay, is it also moral?  What if this makes them homeless?


I thought the discussion was

for employees to have their health benefits taxed as income. 


As noted in a discussion below about this...(sm)

I don't care what his views are or what he is.  What I do care about his what he teaches kids.  Sending them to his conservative website for homework in my opinion is way out of line.


Of course, this has nothing to do with the language used by the poster above, which is what I was talking about before you tried to change the subject, as usual.


Why is this discussion over - Ive been away for awhile and,
So why is this topic now closed?
So much for logical discussion between right and left.
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I see. I saw in a discussion about Bruce on Netscape.nm
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Bashing and discussion are two different things. sm
Evidently the moderator agrees, as she hasn't paid a visit to the boards. 
Question regarding the abortion discussion below??
This question is mainly for anti abortion advocates.  What would you do in a situation where you were found to be pregnant, but it was found to be an ectopic pregnancy?  Would you terminate the pregnancy, or carry it to conclusion, whatever that conclusion may be? Thanks for any replies.
Discussion from Gab Board re Pres.

"First... I don't claim him. I think he's a tyrant to put it nicely and I think he is a warmonging hillbilly (and that's sad for the hillbillies because they are decent folk he gives a bad name). I told everyone not to vote for him last time... I tried to warn them. I didn't want him and he hasn't done anything to help me our my friends and family in the slightest, except make us look ridiculous on the international stage (which I can say because I live in Europe at the moment and I know how foolish they think us right now). Second, good for you. Maybe you should vote for McCain so that the pain (errr I mean pleasure) never ends. I bet the people that he's been against and not fought for (i.e., Katrina victims, Iowa flood victims, homosexuals, people with diseases that stem cell reasearch could help, innocent people in far off lands that lost family members and friends who were innocent victims) I bet they all share your same sentiments.. right? You can have him.. I bet right about now he's half price on the discount rack anyways! Third... you should be grateful she put "creatrue." Its probably how Bush spells and says it, so its a true representation. Fourth... I think the last time I checked it was a free country with free speech and allowed for people to have their own opinions. I have better names to call him than childish ones... but I won't use them since your so easily offended... are you his personal emotional filter? I doubt he cares what the American people call him... he's certainly proven he doesn't care what they think or how they feel... so why should we care about him? Thanks back atcha. I can have whatever opinion I want of the president and I can tell you, I am more the majority than you are."


Moving over here per Mod request.......


Of course you can have your opinion about President Bush.  I was just saying that the names are uncalled for.  Are you staying in Europe forever or are you planning on coming back to the U.S.?  Just curious. 


President Bush isn't perfect and there have been many mistakes, I do agree.  I did vote for him and agree with the vast majority of his conservative views.  I do plan on voting for John McCain in November.  But, if Obama is our next president, as much as I disagree with his views, I wouldn't call him names; but that's just me I guess. 


I do not envy anyone who is willing to take on the gigantic role of running the country.  I would not want the job in a million years.  I have respect for ANYONE, republican or democrat, who is ready and willing to take on this great responsibility. 


I still would like to know what a creatrue is and President Bush is NOT retarded.


This discussion kind of reminds me of the ...sm
election of 1960, Nixon/Kennedy. Everyone was saying Nixon is a God. He has the most experience. No way John Kennedy is qualified to be president. Then came the first debate, and the rest is history. No teleprompter needed for either JFK or Obama. Their vision for America was/is enough to light the world.
yeah, so what, you aren't following the whole discussion
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Not trying to start a religious discussion here, but
being on its knees is exactly what this country needs.