This discussion kind of reminds me of the ...sm
Posted By: oldtimer on 2008-09-24
In Reply to: are you saying rectocranial? nm - snapper
election of 1960, Nixon/Kennedy. Everyone was saying Nixon is a God. He has the most experience. No way John Kennedy is qualified to be president. Then came the first debate, and the rest is history. No teleprompter needed for either JFK or Obama. Their vision for America was/is enough to light the world.
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Kind of reminds me............ sm
of the polls taken during the election when people who voted for Obama were asked questions about him and either could not answer them correctly or agreed with statements that were "dressed up" to appear to be related to Obama but were, in fact, about McCain/Palin.
I stand by my original thoughts....folks, for the most part, had no idea about who they were voting for. Either that, or they were just being really polite to the pollster! LOL
This reminds me of my
who has been married and divorced 4 times who mouths off about gays and *the sanctity of marriage*. LOL Cracks me up every time. Now that's real common sense and logic.
So by this standard, my marriage isn't a *real marriage* because my husband (of 23 years)and I chose not to have children. Good grief!
that reminds me
John Mc said he knew exactly how to find Bin Laden. Shame he refuses to share his knowledge with the military leaders.
LOL! Reminds me of...
something that occurred about 25 years. I was working in a law office, and one of the newer attorneys was reading a medical report that contained the word "cephalgia." He almost started jumping up and down, really excited because (I think) it was such a "big word."
He asked if anyone had any medical background. I said I had a little bit, and he asked me what cephalgia meant.
I said, "Well, let's see: "Algia" means pain. "Ceph" means pain, so pain in the head -- HEADACHE!"
I was relating this to a court reporter friend of mine who then asked me what I would call an analgesic.
I said, "Well, using my "formula," I guess it means "pain in the butt"! 
That reminds me of the 2.....(sm)
girls in N. Korea. I don't remember his name right off, but one guy that went there and talked to some N. Korean officials on their behalf was asking about the girls' welfare. The response from the N. Koreans was "we aren't Gitmo."
Reminds me of a story. s/m
Wealthy (Republican no doubt) race horse breeder sent his prize horse to England with his trainer for an important race. Being frugal (or a tightwad) breeder told trainer to send him a telegram and let him know how the horse did in the race but to keep it brief to save money. By and by the breeder received a telegram which said "SFSFF." Upon his return home the breeder gleafully met the trainer and demanded to know how much money he had won. The trainer reported that he had won nothing. The breeder said, "but I got your telegram, SFSFF, started first, slowed, finished first." " No, no, no said the trainer, SFSFF, started first,  stumbled, farted, fell."
no pie for you...just denial...that reminds me of...
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This conversation reminds me of...(sm)
an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it). There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid. It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately. Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died. This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest. What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world. There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter. The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here? The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old.
Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news. The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work. It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.
This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc. Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it. Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers here, they are simply doing what they've been told to do.
When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them? Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure? Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle? Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp? Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help. Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers? Where's the help for that?
And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq.
This conversation reminds me of...(sm)
an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it). There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid. It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately. Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died. This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest. What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world. There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter. The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here? The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old.
Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news. The story above may have contributed to this, but the basic idea was that Americans didn't like to see Americans dead. The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work. It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.
This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc. Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it. Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers: they are simply doing what they've been told to do.
When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them? Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure? Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle? Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp? Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help. Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers? Where's the help for that?
And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq.
Reminds me of the last joke
our dad ever played on us, and it was at his own funeral many years ago. The guy was a hoot. Mom had died the year before, so my sister (same Norm Crosby sister) remembered exactly where in the cemetery the double-wide grave was.
Dad’s procession wound through the grounds – he had a lot of friends, so it was a long parade. The hearse stopped at the newly prepped grave with the canopy over it. Our limo pulled up behind it. My sister said, ‘This is the wrong place.’ Her husband said, ‘Nah, this looks like it.’ I had no recollection. The pallbearers opened the hearse and started hauling the casket out and my sister made her husband go up and tell them to stop. This was ALL WRONG. So, they shoved the casket back in, and closed the doors. Now you see it. Now you don’t.
All the people behind us started to get our of their cars, and mill around. My sister went up there and now I could see a lot of gesturing and pointing. She’s pointing way that-a-way and the cemetery crew are shaking their heads and pointing this-a-way. So there was an intermission while somebody went to the office for a map.
Now we have the map spread out on the hood of the hearse. Nobody else in the crowd really knows what’s going on, and sure enough, wrong grave. Dad almost got himself interred for eternity next to some other woman. You’d have to know my dad (and my mom) to get the joke.
We agreed to have the graveside service there, but then he had to be moved to where the backhoe would shortly be hastily digging the grave in the proper location.
On the ride back in the funeral home limo we were giggling uncontrollably. Her husband thought it was in very poor taste. The limo driver kept remarking on what good sports we were. Truly, dad almost got away with it. You just hadda be there!
Reminds me of the very last joke
our dad ever played on us, and it was at his own funeral many years ago. The guy was a hoot. Mom had died the year before, so my sister (same Norm Crosby sister) remembered exactly where in the cemetery the double-wide grave was.
Dad’s procession wound through the grounds – he had a lot of friends, so it was a long parade. The hearse stopped at the newly prepped grave with the canopy over it. Our limo pulled up behind it. My sister said, ‘This is the wrong place.’ Her husband said, ‘Nah, this looks like it.’ I had no recollection. The pallbearers opened the hearse and started hauling the casket out and my sister made her husband go up and tell them to stop. This was ALL WRONG. So, they shoved the casket back in, and closed the doors. Now you see it. Now you don’t.
All the people behind us started to get our of their cars, and mill around. My sister went up there and now I could see a lot of gesturing and pointing. She’s pointing way that-a-way and the cemetery crew are shaking their heads and pointing this-a-way. So there was an intermission while somebody went to the office for a map.
Now we have the map spread out on the hood of the hearse. Nobody else in the crowd really knows what’s going on, and sure enough, wrong grave. Dad almost got himself interred for eternity next to some other woman. You’d have to know my dad (and my mom) to get the joke.
We agreed to have the graveside service there, but then he had to be moved to where the backhoe would shortly be hastily digging the grave in the proper location.
On the ride back in the funeral home limo we were giggling uncontrollably. Her husband thought it was in very poor taste. The limo driver kept remarking on what good sports we were. Truly, dad almost got away with it. You just hadda be there!
This reminds me of the time
I asked a muslim man why, if there is a god, are there 100s if not 1000s of children being raped and murdered mercilessly as we speak and he said to me: "Because in a prior life, the children were bad people and they deserve this punishment."
No God would let a child suffer so. This is a godless world and you are on a piece of cosmic debris which happens to have every element necessary to support life.
Thoughts go to the Jehovahs Witnesses and the 7th Day crowd who do not vote nor care about the planet nor the people on it because they are convinced the next world is more important than this one.
Weak
post reminds me of *Not Without My Daiughter*
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Your comment reminds me of that famous
Everyone is allowed their opinions. Stop knocking other people down because you don't agree with them.
Reminds me of that song be happy
Although reading your post I do have to say I think you've been hitting on the ju-ju juice a little too much. HA HA HA
We are not ALL "proud" of Obama. Proud that he's legally hiding his birth certificate. Proud that he had his school records legally sealed so nobody can see that he may have possibly gotten aid as a foreign student. Proud that he stole the election from Clinton. Not everyone in the world admires him (there are plenty of countries who believe we were duped and bought into the "rapture" of electing a black man that we didn't want to investigate him and who he is and how he got as far as he has and who is behind him, and why in the world anyone would vote for someone that doesn't have any experience. There are many countries now questioning his ability to lead by the people he is surrounding himself with. And as our own newly elect VP Joe Biden said "Mark my words, it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy".
As for him demonstrating
"purity of the heart". I have not seen anything to demonstrate that yet. I do know that Farrakhan seems to think he's the messiah, so maybe that it where people are getting that mixed up. Doen't make it true, however.
I'm glad your happy and I'm not taking that away. But soon I think once the effects of the kool-aid wears off you might see things a bit more clearly.
Not all of us feel joy and pride. We feel fear, uncertaintly, hopelessness, loss, despair, nervousness, doubt, worry, anxiety, and trepidation (and please don't tell me I should take medication for that). These are all real issues that we are facing. We are losing our homes, jobs, savings, retirements and everything we worked for and here comes the O saying "I feel your pain. I'm going to make it all better for you" and people buy into it without question. "How are you going to do that we say, what will you do for us right now so we don't get kicked out of our houses". "Well I'm going to tax all those nasty rich people that don't need it and give it all to you" "Yeah, hooray, Obama is my savior. I will never have to work or worry anymore how to pay for things I want."
So, go ahead and be happy. I have to live in reality.
P.S. - It's not the age of aquarium (unless I want some fish). It's the Age of Aquarius which deals with astrology. So maybe the O is from another planet. HA HA.
This so reminds me of one of those baby books
people put together for their first kid. Video of the delivery. Baby's handprint and footprint. Lock of hair from Baby's first haircut. Picture of Baby taking his first step. First tooth Baby loses, and on and on and on.....
What's the followup plan for the 200th day and the 300th? I'd like to pencil this on my calendar.
I agree with ms. I enjoy it too. Sam reminds me of my husband. sm
And that is a good thing. LOL. My husband can debate until the cows come home whether it is Obama, McCain, Pelosi, etc. He lays everything out point by point and he isn't nasty about it the way some of the other posters on this board are. And he doesn't have to resort to name calling or whining.
So I say to Sam...You go girl!!.
she reminds me of Rose from the Golden Girls
back in Alaska....
This reminds me of Bill O's cry foul, declaration of war
proclamations that the ratings "MUST" be fixed after his show took third place behind MSNBC (x2 with KO and RM) and CNN (Anderson Cooper). Early on, McC camp started screaming bloody murder and boycotting the media when it began to become apparent that SP could not handle one-on-ones very well. Don't know what a camp sould expect when they declare their own wars on the media. Talk about whiners.
Your description reminds me of our current lousy
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I meant to add it reminds me of what I read about Napolean and M. Antionette
Party hearty dudes.
If that is all you got out of this discussion, please, do bow out.
As I see from your other posts you just tend to step in and make random irrational comments, I'm sorry I even replied to your post.
What exactly is illogical, and where was the discussion?
There certainly *is* a feral element on the right that will attack anyone viciously if it serves their purposes - nothing is sacred to them - and they don't respect "logic" any more than they respect the mothers of deceased soliders. I've spent years talking to these people. It took me a long time to reluctantly come to the conclusion that you can't reason with them because they don't respect reason. You can't find common ground because they don't want to share any ground - they want it all. You can't speak to them in a sincere way because they will take that as a sign of weakness and attack you all the harder. You can't deal with them fairly and expect to be treated fairly in return - they will lie at the drop of a hat. Their intention is not to be tolerant of others but to crush any dissent and run smear campaigns against those who are not "like" them. Now that's just my experience with this specific element on the right. It's just my opinion but it's far from illogical to draw conclusions from many years of personal experience. If you are a progressive, may you have better luck than I in trying to find a human face amongst that particular element I'm referring to. If you are a Republican and you actually want to discuss something, it seems like there are plenty of people here including me who would be willing to discuss an issue without getting personal. But no matter who you are, don't expect me or anyone else who's had my experience with the ugly among the right to parse their words or try to be falsely sweet and forgiving toward a specific group of people who are just flat downright dangerous and despicable, and don't deserve to be kid-gloved.
I really enjoyed the discussion, as well.
It was nice to have a peaceful discussion with differing viewpoints. Peace to you, too.
Could you please take your discussion to your own board
PLEASE.
This is the liberal board, or at least that what it says. I don't understand why you guys have taken it over.
This discussion is about where Bush was and was not.
Ignored the most devastating natural disaster in recent US history.
new topic for discussion
McCain's cross in the dirt story he tells now -- history of:
how similar the McCain story is to that offered by Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsen and then later popularized by Christian leaders Chuck Colson and Billy Graham. Sullivan also points out other suspicious changes:
The story changed from the guard using a sandal to the guard using a stick.
At Saddleback, McCain talked about a single guard being the protagonist. The same guard loosened his ropes and then later sketchd the cross in the dirt. In McCain's 1999 book, these were two different guards at two different prison camps.
McCain's first writings about his time in captivity didn't mention the story at all, so he's asked his readers for evidence of McCain offering that story prior to his 1999 book (when he was gearing up for a presidential run).
Several contributors to the comment thread on my first post have pointed to this rather stunning New York Times piece from 2000 in which McCain tells the story but about someone else!
Many years ago a scared American prisoner of war in Vietnam was tied in torture ropes by his tormentors and left alone in an empty room to suffer through the night. Later in the evening a guard he had never spoken to entered the room and silently loosened the ropes to relieve his suffering. Just before morning, that same guard came back and re-tightened the ropes before his less humanitarian comrades returned. He never said a word to the grateful prisoner, but some months later, on a Christmas morning, as the prisoner stood alone in the prison courtyard, the same good Samaritan walked up to him and stood next to him for a few moments. Then with his sandal, the guard drew a cross in the dirt. Both prisoner and guard both stood wordlessly there for a minute or two, venerating the cross, until the guard rubbed it out and walked away.
I think they had a family discussion ...
and they decided as a family to go forward. And this would not be an issue had there are those judgmental among us who decided to make it one. In this day and time for the Dems here, of ALL People, to act all holier-than-thou and act like being pregnant not married still carries some kind of stigma just stinks to high heaven. These same people who have told us to go back to our churches and not push our morality on them. The hypocrisy is staggering. The very people they called judgmental are the ones surrounding this family to support them, not ostracizing them like they had announced their daughter was a pedophile or a serial killer.
I would put the judgment here much MORE in question than Sarah Palin's, and I think a lot of people out there in America whose lives this very thing has touched will do the same.
And I would say that regardless of what party affiliation she has too. If that was a Democrat running for VP and people wre bashing her in this way I would be yelling foul just as loud.
It just amazes me the depths some will sink to for political purposes. INcluding fileting a 17-year-old. Just because her mother made the announcement did not mean poeple were obligated to attack..that was a choice and it taking that choice says a lot about character...or the screaming lack thereof.
we are having a mature discussion
about politics and religion, please do not start posting useless dribble. Thank you.
a "mature" discussion about
seeing black men run through the house, black arms coming out from under the bed, and several people talking to Jesus in the flesh? Okay then. I will bow out.
Don't read too much into this discussion. It just happens...sm
to be the news of the day. I do find it amusing though that her clothes came from the stores that they did. NM has $3000 handbags, etc, very HIGH prices and she probably only got a few outfits for the RNC's $150,000. I am sure that she didn't choose to get her wardrobe from these stores. She was probably staying in a hotel and the repub bigwigs called the department stores and told them what to bring over and what size, charge it to us. They were molding her to what they wanted her to be in order to get votes. It backfired. I actually feel sorry for her now. I hope she gets to keep her new clothes. She will probably be glad to get back to Alaska and out of the lower 48.
No, actually I'm not begging for discussion..
I am simply pointing out diversity. I've seen numerous posts on here from christians, and I really don't feel a need to debate their religion every time I see it. In fact, I respect other's opinions and beliefs, especially when they are willing to express them.....something you should try.
haven't been following this discussion at all BUT
isn't that calling the kettle black? I only clicked on this message cause it was the latest posted one... and after reading it i go... um excuse me... did you EVER given the current administration a break? for ANYTHING? And i dont want to hear they did this and this and this and this. that's fine, people were against them from the beginning too. This happens on BOTH sides, why doesn't everyone agree that there are hypocrites on each side!!! that is hypocritical in itself when you ALWAYS point fingers at the other side! Differing opinions is one thing, but to say that the RIGHT cant give this government a break? Well that's because they OPPOSE what it is they stand for! just like the left opposes what the right stands for!!!!
You call that discussion?
By definition, a discussion is give and take. An informed opinion on a complex issue takes more than a snarky one-liner on a subject line. It's really easy to define an opinion with which you disagree as "endless babble."
Besides, message boards are lousy places to have a true discussion about anything.
Here's a topic for discussion
Leaving criminal penalties out of the equation: Is it immoral to break the law?
What if you consider the law immoral (such as, for example, segregation)? What if you consider integration immoral? How much does individual conscience have to do with this? Easy to say someone else's conscience is in error, but they are saying the same about yours.
Some people try to short their taxes because the money goes to fund a war they do not believe in (there's usually one going on) or to fund abortions, or medical research they abhor, and now to bail out failed businesses and individual mortgages. I think everyone could find something that's funded by our tax money objectionable. How much are we morally required to render unto Caesar?
It's illegal to overstay a parking meter. Is it also immoral if you did it intentionally, simply because you've violated a law? How about sliding through a red light at 3 a.m. on a deserted country road when you could not possibly injure anyone?
If it's legal to raise rent past a tenant's ability to pay, is it also moral? What if this makes them homeless?
I thought the discussion was
for employees to have their health benefits taxed as income.
As noted in a discussion below about this...(sm)
I don't care what his views are or what he is. What I do care about his what he teaches kids. Sending them to his conservative website for homework in my opinion is way out of line.
Of course, this has nothing to do with the language used by the poster above, which is what I was talking about before you tried to change the subject, as usual.
Why is this discussion over - Ive been away for awhile and,
So why is this topic now closed?
So much for logical discussion between right and left.
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I see. I saw in a discussion about Bruce on Netscape.nm
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Bashing and discussion are two different things. sm
Evidently the moderator agrees, as she hasn't paid a visit to the boards.
Question regarding the abortion discussion below??
This question is mainly for anti abortion advocates. What would you do in a situation where you were found to be pregnant, but it was found to be an ectopic pregnancy? Would you terminate the pregnancy, or carry it to conclusion, whatever that conclusion may be? Thanks for any replies.
Discussion from Gab Board re Pres.
"First... I don't claim him. I think he's a tyrant to put it nicely and I think he is a warmonging hillbilly (and that's sad for the hillbillies because they are decent folk he gives a bad name). I told everyone not to vote for him last time... I tried to warn them. I didn't want him and he hasn't done anything to help me our my friends and family in the slightest, except make us look ridiculous on the international stage (which I can say because I live in Europe at the moment and I know how foolish they think us right now). Second, good for you. Maybe you should vote for McCain so that the pain (errr I mean pleasure) never ends. I bet the people that he's been against and not fought for (i.e., Katrina victims, Iowa flood victims, homosexuals, people with diseases that stem cell reasearch could help, innocent people in far off lands that lost family members and friends who were innocent victims) I bet they all share your same sentiments.. right? You can have him.. I bet right about now he's half price on the discount rack anyways! Third... you should be grateful she put "creatrue." Its probably how Bush spells and says it, so its a true representation. Fourth... I think the last time I checked it was a free country with free speech and allowed for people to have their own opinions. I have better names to call him than childish ones... but I won't use them since your so easily offended... are you his personal emotional filter? I doubt he cares what the American people call him... he's certainly proven he doesn't care what they think or how they feel... so why should we care about him? Thanks back atcha. I can have whatever opinion I want of the president and I can tell you, I am more the majority than you are."
Moving over here per Mod request.......
Of course you can have your opinion about President Bush. I was just saying that the names are uncalled for. Are you staying in Europe forever or are you planning on coming back to the U.S.? Just curious.
President Bush isn't perfect and there have been many mistakes, I do agree. I did vote for him and agree with the vast majority of his conservative views. I do plan on voting for John McCain in November. But, if Obama is our next president, as much as I disagree with his views, I wouldn't call him names; but that's just me I guess.
I do not envy anyone who is willing to take on the gigantic role of running the country. I would not want the job in a million years. I have respect for ANYONE, republican or democrat, who is ready and willing to take on this great responsibility.
I still would like to know what a creatrue is and President Bush is NOT retarded.
yeah, so what, you aren't following the whole discussion
nm
Not trying to start a religious discussion here, but
being on its knees is exactly what this country needs.
So there has to be a discussion of posts for it to be relevant?
what a stupid, anonymous comment
You really don't want to start this discussion, Sparky
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i thought i'd find some intelligent discussion
here, but what a nasty post. or maybe you are hopelessly superficial. so sorry.
another life-altering issue for discussion
brought to you by the True Believers. distract, distract. blame the clintons.
More on Obama eligibility status from discussion
This argument validates the lawsuit, so it would seem to not be so frivolous. Can't argue about the facts.
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It seems that Barack Obama is not qualified to be president after all for the following reason:
Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between " December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: ".If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Barack Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama's mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which mea ns though she had been a U.S. citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai'i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama's birth, but *after* age 16 It doesn't matter *after*. In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama's birth when she was 18 in Hawai'i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama's birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aforementioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Citizen parent.
Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.
*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. citizen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama's aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. election law. I think the Gov. of California would be very interested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. citizen, and it would set precedence.
Not THE solution, but perhaps one of many? sorry I put an idea out there for discussion, didn't
and sorry if my post ended up with yours, that happens, and I am not here to insult anyone. I do believe in my stance and my idea, have many reasons for it, thought that for once an issue on here could be discussed without personal attacks, if you read my first posts, there is no content other than the proposed idea; I was insulted and attacked for no reason, had the AUDACITY to defend myself and what I am trying to do with my life, my OWN life, and as usual it has turned ugly and it is almost impossible to figure out the original thread....oh well, back to work.
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