I thought you were done with the conversation? sm
Posted By: MeMT on 2008-10-31
In Reply to: Again, I am so afraid I can't type - ExMQMT
But when you got some back up you wanted to throw in a little more sarcasm? Well I am behind on my work now because I spent to much time talking to you. I can't change your mind, so I am just going to leave you alone.
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I have been following the conversation. sm
I think Marylandgal is extremely defensive in her posting. I also KNOW she does not speak for all Jews. Having said that, it's really easy to weasel out of an argument by invoking the specter or something horrible...Hitler usually works really well, or the KKK. Then you are an anti-Semite or a racist. It's a shameful way to argue but SOME liberals do it a lot.
This conversation is going nowhere.
And I am sure that the rabbis who attended were not the only ones who agree with them. As with any other exploratory meeting, not everyone attends. I am happy that THESE rabbis and Ben Stein as well choose life and interpret their religious teachings to choose life. It's unfortunate that you don't feel the same.
Won't go there? Isn't the conversation about...
impeaching George Bush? I said impeach him already. If what Kucinich has is dam*ing and he can prove any of it, why don't they just impeach? What part of that don't you understand?? What is it you want me to say and why is my comfort zone so all consuming to you? LOL.
It was on the old board, it was a conversation you had with Nan. SM
and it was about Affirmative Action. I remember it well because it was very long and civil exchange between the two of you back when I thought you could be reasoned with. Nan said something about you have a different perspective and something like she could not challenge you from an African American point of view, I don't remember all the details, because you were African American at which point you said something like, what makes you think I am African American and she said, she thought you had said you were and you said I didn't say that because I am not. Now this is not word for word but it is the gist of it. Remember now?
But the conversation is about kids who are having
things done without the parents' knowledge.
This conversation reminds me of...(sm)
an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it). There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid. It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately. Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died. This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest. What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world. There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter. The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here? The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old.
Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news. The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work. It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.
This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc. Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it. Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers here, they are simply doing what they've been told to do.
When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them? Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure? Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle? Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp? Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help. Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers? Where's the help for that?
And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq.
This conversation reminds me of...(sm)
an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it). There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid. It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately. Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died. This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest. What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world. There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter. The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here? The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old.
Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news. The story above may have contributed to this, but the basic idea was that Americans didn't like to see Americans dead. The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work. It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.
This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc. Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it. Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers: they are simply doing what they've been told to do.
When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them? Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure? Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle? Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp? Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help. Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers? Where's the help for that?
And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq.
And yet you just keep dragging the conversation on and on and on....sm
If you don't want to discuss it on the political board, quit discussing it. 
No, and please don't twist my words. The conversation is sm
that Hitler founded his total belief system on the three pillars I posted here, the first being Jews and Communism. I don't know how much more clear I can be frankly! Where in the world did I EVER say he was sane. I am talking about HISTORY. I am not quite sure what you are talking about!
Did you see the video of the conversation with the Fox reporter?
The BP was not a very nice guy
Nobody asked you to butt out of the conversation.
You are being asked to respect the SEPARATION between the politics board and the faith board. If all you have to offer is religious in nature, your post does not belong here.
This breaking news just in....religion and politics are only as "intricately intertwined" as the secular among us allow it to be. There seems to be a consensus in America as there is in other western nations that the two do not mix well and certainly are not conducive to democratic process. I am neither atheist, agnostic or Christian, but I do consider myself to be a spiritual person of Universalist faith. I count myself among the secular citizens who will fight tooth and nail to keep religion out of politics and out of the government. There is a place for it in our society and in our lives...churches, synagogues, mosques, temples our homes and in our psyches. Why is that not enough for the theocrats? This constant push to pervade is a REAL LIVE BUMMER. Cease and desist, won't you?
I was making reference to an earlier conversation...sm
Look it up.
Hey...this whole thing started when YOU interrupted a conversation...
but I suppose you don't remember that...because you can't resist the knife jab. Yeah, transparent. How does your monstrous ego fit in yer little old head??
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.?
Buchanan to Obama
By Patrick J. Buchanan
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.?
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a
community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ླྀs on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community
into the mainstream.
Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.
Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??
Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks.
Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.?
Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and inca rceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?
Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all heard adnauseam from the Rev. AL about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But abo UT the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
topics to avoid during polite conversation.
We do have separation of church and state.
The conversation took place during the primary season
If they had a casual conversation on these issues before any official selections were even possible, they would have been purely speculative, dontcha think? During the heat of the primary compaign, HC would have been the last person he would have had in mind for either position. Sounds like a fairly innocent chat between friends to me.
Lack of intelligent conversation on your part
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If you want to have a private conversation with JTBB, take it off-line.
If you post to the forum, it's fair game for anyone.
Oh, and incidentally, if I felt comfortable posting my CV on a public forum, you'd be very embarassed by the "clueless" characterization.
The article posted is not the complete conversation. Ever hear of Freakanomics? sm
That has a lot to do with the conversation. As usual, the MSM left out significant parts of what was said. No surprise there.
Go ahead. Let's bring Reverend Wright back into the conversation...
and Jesse Jacksin (hymietown) and Louis Farrakhan...yeah, let's bring that back into the conversation. If Barack can claim he went to that church for 20 years but doesn't share the theology...so can she, right?
If you are going to fry her now, let's go back to Reverend Wright. You betcha!!
Since you're having this conversation with yourself, including my side of it, pray continue.
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possible topics of conversation besides bashing our very popular president in the interest of preven
http://www.npr.org/
I just thought it might be nice to hear an original thought. sm
I guess I was reaching.
Thought this was good so I thought I'd share
Down the drain? Beware of Obama's plan to 'spread the wealth around'
By Betsy Newmark
High School History and Government Teacher/Blogger
If the McCain campaign can’t use this Obama quote to raise doubts about his attitude towards wealth and success, then they deserve the shellacking they seem headed for.
“Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed “more and more for fulfilling the American dream.”
“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Plumbers of the country, unite! Forget about the work and effort you put into building up a business or the scummy work that you do that many of us don’t know or don’t want to do. If you have succeeded, you should be willing to give up more of what you earn to help those who haven’t had the great good luck that you have had to be a successful plumber. Remember how Obama is going to give 95% of all of us a tax cut even though over 30% of the population doesn’t pay taxes?
He might call it a tax credit, but what he’s really doing is his vision of “spreading the wealth around.” It sounds a lot like Huey Long’s 1935 plan to “Share the Wealth.” And when he finds that he can’t tax the top 5% of the population to gain enough wealth to spread to the 95% of the rest of us, do you really think that he’ll stop with that 5%?
Remember…This is the guy who said in the ABC debate during the primary season that his approach to raising tax on capital gains is not based on whether it would provide more revenue but on his idea of what is fair:
GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, “I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton,” which was 28 percent. It’s now 15 percent. That’s almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent.
But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down.
So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I’ve said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.
Just what we need in these fragile economic times — a guy who wants to raise taxes because he thinks it’s a matter of “fairness” and time to “spread the wealth around.”
That will be some incentive for other plumbers who want to work hard and build up a successful business.
But don’t worry - according to Joe Biden, it’s the patriotic thing to do.
Haha! I thought I was the only one who thought he looked
I told you what I thought he thought....
and thank you so much for reducing it to "a piece."
That being said, here is link to article from Wall Street Journal about both candidates and outsourcing...Obama is not going to stop it either. He has said on the stump the answer is more highly educated American workers to compete.
It seems to me, and although you may think this is also a "piece," that if you put our corporate tax rates lower, if that corporation is inclined to hire Americans and not outsource then they will do so.
You honestly think the majority of corporations just WANT to outsource and taxes don't matter?
blah, blah, blah yourself - talk about no intellingent conversation
What do you mean who are we trying to convince? There is nothing to convince when the message holds true. And for only reading the 1st sentence of my message like you said you did, you sure commented on the entire message.
Maybe you should not reply to something you have no idea what is being talked about - but then again that is the MO of the libs.
What the heck are you talking about McCain and Cheney are hoping for further attacks on American soil. Just because you want that to be true and because Olberman and Matthews say it, doesn't mean it is. That is what you crats do best, listen to the talking heads but don't reason for yourself on what is right or wrong.
The truth is we are at much greater risk for attack now that your lord is in. Can't blame that on the last admin. Your lord is the one bowing to his king, and apologizing for everything happening, and selling our country to the highest bidder. Your lord is the one bringing down the country and there you are defending him.
Maybe you want socialism to rule in the country but many of us do not. We are patriots who believe in the constitution and who have served in the military to fight for the freedoms you so enjoy. So enjoy it while you can.
I thought I was alone.
So refreshing to have someone on this board that can actually think for themselves. I have such vivid memories of my dad dressing up in his class A's to go to war, and coming into my room crying at 4:00 a.m. in the morning to say goodbye, not knowing if we would ever see one another again. Thankfully, he did 1 tour in Korea before I was born, two tours in VN, and we lived on an Army base 25 miles from the Berlin wall when I was 6 years old. If there was ever an american girl, it is me and my brother. That "american girl" posting on here all the time, if she had to earn her FFFF freedom she would learn to keep her mouth shut.
Same thought here
It seems like one of first major priorities would be to ensure fair voting practices. I'm very worried about the accuracy of computerized voting and possible tampering.
I thought you were new here?sm
People are somewhat like-minded here, but I see distinct posting styles here. I am a conservative (ex-Republican), but I do not post on their board; their ideology does not reflect my beliefs. I have never once been bashed by liberals, even if they do not agree with me.
Just a thought....
Before too long the number of Iraq War troop deaths will be as high as the ones here on 9/11. And all for what? So sad.
You know what I thought when I saw it?
I thought it was posted by someone from the rabid right, so they could come back and respond to their very own post and blame the liberals because people post things like this. LoL!
I thought he was
putting his money where his mouth is. He has donated a large amount of his personal funds to this project, as well as fundraising efforts A lot of celebs just talk, Brad is actually doing something. Why does he have to live in the 9th ward to help.
I sponsor kids on the Salvation Army Angel Tree. Should I have to live with them to help them?
Gimme a break!
Never thought of it this way
You brought some good thoughts to mind. I definitely agree with you.
I know it's not very PC, but I'm sure the thought has
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Another Thought
If Sara Palin came on the scene as an Independent and ran against McCain & Obama, think how that could've changed things!
As a conservative, I'm thrilled to see someone who knows how to play ball with the big boys. Funny how the feminists want all this equal rights stuff, then shoot this lady down before they really know anything about her.
I wonder how upset Hillary's supporters are over this. Time will tell, not just polls.
It should be interesting what history reveals in the end. Either way, this race will go down in the books as a first. That in itself is interesting.
Okay, that's what I thought lol
Two late nights in a row for me...thank GOD it's Friday! :)
I thought so............
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Just a thought about this.
Since I only heard a snippet of this so far, the governor was trying to have others pay him to appoint them to take the O's senate seat?
If so (and don't bash, I'm asking a very serious question here), could this be how the O came up so quick? He paid for his senate seat?
The gov doesn't look like he thinks he did anything wrong. He's kinda young looking too. Could it be because Illinois has always had corruption like this? Gee, I think I'll go to Illinois and run for senator. LOL
Nobody thought that
Patriotism shouldn't be an issue, because there should be NO question whether a candidate for president is loyal to this country. The fact that there IS a question should scare people a lot more than it apparently does.
Do tell. I thought she did too. nm
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I thought that was odd too
I was trying to figure out the strategy was with that. Maybe it was to convey that McCain thinks Obama is so inferior to him, he can't even bother looking at him? I don't know. They were supposed to be debating each other, and I wanted some more interaction.
I kept waiting for him to look Obama in the eye and say you are wrong. Even Bush looked in Putin's eyes and saw his soul or whatever.
I thought I was the only one who thought
as you do. I've been pulling $ out of my savings every month to pay the bills that my paychecks do not. I work longer and longer hours, for less and less money.
I, too, am 100% against this so-called 'bailout'. WHO, exactly, are they bailing out? I would actually LIKE to see the 'train-wreck'. I WANT to see Wall Street crash and all of the banks fail. I don't have any money in them anyway... it all gets spent on month-to-month survival.
I already know how to get by on next-to-nothing. So it would be just EVER-SO-ENTERTAINING if we could sit back and watch all this high-flyin' corporate con-men lose their shirts and have to learn to live on nothing, as well.
The best thing about allowing things to just take their own course, instead of falsely propping it all up with the crutch of a federal bailout, is that maybe, just MAYBE, if the whole system had to be re-built from the ground up, maybe they might do a better job this time around.
So, fire those locomotives up, and point those suckers right at each other! Train-wreck! YEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
okay , that's what I thought, so why --
why does everybody say that Obama wants socialized medicine then? That is not what I read. My take on Obama's plan is that he wants insurance available for everyone but that most people will still be insured through their employers, but the government will have insurance plans for those who do not get it through their employer. That is not socialized medicine to me, that is just providing insurance coverage for people who need it.
Just another thought
You say you want someone with experience. Then the obvious choice is John McCain if you want business as usual, dishonesty, immorality, everything that is wrong with our government. Give me a candidate who is moral, honest and has integrity and that's the candidate I want. THAT could and would change the government that has almost already destroyed America as we know it. Sara Palin's inexperience is absolutely NOT what I have against her. If she had the other qualities, which I don't believe she does, I would vote for her although I think she might consider gettingt busy studying as even I knew the name of the General in Afghanastan. More "experience" in Washington D.C. is exactly what we DO NOT need.
Another thought s/m
While I'm on a housecleaning campaign, the only woman I find more distasteful than Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton is Nancy Pelosi. She had her friends need to GO.
STILL VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!! and T. Boone Pickens.
I thought about it some more and
here's what I think: IF Obama is elected, then look out for the White Supremists, a dispicable group, IMHO, right up there with the KKK. Now........how racist am I? I hate these racist issues no matter what color they come from. We are ALL God's children, yellow, red, black and white, we are precious in his sight. So why can't the Black Power AND the White Supremsts let it go already????? Why can't we be just AMERICANS, not African-Americans, not Vietnamese-Americans, not Irish-Americans, not Chinese-Americans.......just AMERICANS????????????? Can you answer me that? Oh, I know, it's politically correct to say AFRICAN-Americans. Nonsense.
VOTING A WRITE-IN VOTE FOR LOU DOBBS!!!
Just when I thought there could not
possibly be anyone more cartoonish than W. -- and there she is!
Just a thought
I am suspect of everything I hear and most everything I see when it comes to politics. I saw some of these people speaking with the media. If they were bribed, whiy do you suppose they got in front of the TV cameras. Our politicians (notice pleural) are so corrupt I wouldn't put anything past them to try to swing the vote and people like blind sheep just follow along.
just a thought...
what's sad and pathetic is that the press everywhere, not just America, reports what stirs people up. the fact that most Americans are working and struggling to make ends meet and put food on the table, and try their best to do what is right and make choices based on what is best for our country, is not considered newsworthy. So what everyone sees is the few loonies who are not at all representative of the majority of Americans, but isn't it fun watching them on the news! It will be a huge relief when this election is behind us, whatever the outcome.
i never thought of it that way
"They sure go to a lot of trouble to fight against something they don't believe in."
gourdpainter - i definitely will remember this; it applies to many areas of life where one should stop the conflict and just 'be'. is it the painting of gourds that lends itself to such peace and sagacity? if so, i will begin painting them today! your wise observations never fail to enllighten and many times amuse. when i see your tag, i know the post will be worth reading!
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