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I was making reference to an earlier conversation...sm

Posted By: Democrat on 2006-09-19
In Reply to: No, I'm talking about Iraq. You people are vile. - nm

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    If this is in reference

    to a Bob Dylan's song....it is supposed to be "everybody must get stoned."


    If you weren't referring to that song, ignore my post.  LOL. 


    I will. If you want a reference I will give it to you. You may not like it though...sm

    I have heard this "Kool-Aid" reference several....sm
    times on this board and don't know if you realize the history of your comment. I find it very offensive. You are referring to people that drank poison-laced K-Aid because they were so indocrinated in their false "Jesus/Messiah" doing so in the name of the SAVIOR! !. A cult that they allowed to take over their lives and ultimately resulted in the death of many people all in the name of God, with Kool-Aid, get it? Be very careful, it can be very scary.
    I don't agree that the Biblical reference...
    to "the numbers of his name" refer to numerology. We agree to disagree.
    I challenge you to find any reference in any of
    my posts referring to Barack Obama as a messiah.  Just one more example of the vicious twisting of words done by your ilk to suit your own agenda.
    I don't know where you get the cheap motel reference from
    But I think you are clearly a republican and represent your party perfectly.
    For the last time, the "spook" reference

    was located in the body of the email sent out by these racist Republicans, followed by a little "wink-wink" suggestion that they forward the email to 20 of your friends makes you look like an out-and-out bigot."  THIS WAS PART OF THE BODY OF THE EMAIL IN QUESTION.  No reporter -- liberal or otherwise -- wrote this.  This is the whole POINT of the post:  See the red "spooked" word below?  It was written by Republicans as part of their racist email, because the word "spook" is a racial slur, a word that is no better than the "N" word.


    From the "Racial Slur Database," defining the word "spook":  http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html


    Spook     Blacks     Because of their dark skin, which can blend into the night, making them ghost-like.


    Once again, quoting the email:


    We've never seen President Obama in person, but we're pretty sure those pair of spooked white eyes against a black background don't quite do him justice. In fact, one could argue that forwarding an e-mail like this to 20 of your friends makes you look like an out-and-out bigot."


    This is the last time I'm going to comment to your posts because either won't or don't get it!


    Please provide a reference showing that you were the first to mention Alinsky?
    As you can see by the post below, the first reference to Alinsky found on this forum was made by Jules on 09/02/2008 regarding Alinsky's son's letter to the Boston Globe. Could you please provide us with an earlier reference indicating that you were the first to have mentioned Alinksy?
    It was a Star Wars reference......you're the one that injected racism. nm

    Huh? Even the reference disappeared! (Twilight Zone music plays). 1984. nm
    x
    I have been following the conversation. sm
    I think Marylandgal is extremely defensive in her posting. I also KNOW she does not speak for all Jews.  Having said that, it's really easy to weasel out of an argument by invoking the specter or something horrible...Hitler usually works really well, or the KKK.  Then you are an anti-Semite or a racist.  It's a shameful way to argue but SOME liberals do it a lot.  
    This conversation is going nowhere.
    And I am sure that the rabbis who attended were not the only ones who agree with them.  As with any other exploratory meeting, not everyone attends.  I am happy that THESE rabbis and Ben Stein as well choose life and interpret their religious teachings to choose life. It's unfortunate that you don't feel the same.
    Won't go there? Isn't the conversation about...
    impeaching George Bush? I said impeach him already. If what Kucinich has is dam*ing and he can prove any of it, why don't they just impeach? What part of that don't you understand?? What is it you want me to say and why is my comfort zone so all consuming to you? LOL.
    It was on the old board, it was a conversation you had with Nan. SM

    and it was about Affirmative Action. I remember it well because it was very long and civil exchange between the two of you back when I thought you could be reasoned with.  Nan said something about you have a different perspective and something like she could not challenge you from an African American point of view, I don't remember all the details, because you were African American at which point you said something like, what makes you think I am African American and she said, she thought you had said you were and you said I didn't say that because I am not.  Now this is not word for word but it is the gist of it.  Remember now?


    But the conversation is about kids who are having

    things done without the parents' knowledge.


    I thought you were done with the conversation? sm
    But when you got some back up you wanted to throw in a little more sarcasm? Well I am behind on my work now because I spent to much time talking to you. I can't change your mind, so I am just going to leave you alone.
    This conversation reminds me of...(sm)

    an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it).  There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid.  It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately.  Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died.  This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest.  What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world.  There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter.  The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here?  The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old. 


    Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news.  The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work.  It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.


    This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc.  Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it.  Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers here, they are simply doing what they've been told to do. 


    When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them?  Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure?  Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle?  Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp?  Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help.  Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers?  Where's the help for that?


    And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq. 


    This conversation reminds me of...(sm)

    an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it).  There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid.  It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately.  Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died.  This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest.  What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world.  There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter.  The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here?  The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old. 


    Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news.  The story above may have contributed to this, but the basic idea was that Americans didn't like to see Americans dead.  The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work.  It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.


    This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc.  Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it.  Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers: they are simply doing what they've been told to do. 


    When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them?  Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure?  Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle?  Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp?  Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help.  Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers?  Where's the help for that?


    And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq. 


    And yet you just keep dragging the conversation on and on and on....sm

    If you don't want to discuss it on the political board, quit discussing it. 


    I saw this earlier. sm
    Practicing for martial law maybe? Notice the term 'homeland' - makes me think of Nazis and Communists.




    Well, what he said earlier was
    He wanted EVERYONE to have the same great health care plan everyone on capitol hill has.......then he did't say that anymore.....hmmmmm
    No, and please don't twist my words. The conversation is sm
    that Hitler founded his total belief system on the three pillars I posted here, the first being Jews and Communism.  I don't know how much more clear I can be frankly!   Where in the world did I EVER say he was sane.   I am talking about HISTORY.  I am not quite sure what you are talking about!
    Did you see the video of the conversation with the Fox reporter?
    The BP was not a very nice guy
    Nobody asked you to butt out of the conversation.
    You are being asked to respect the SEPARATION between the politics board and the faith board. If all you have to offer is religious in nature, your post does not belong here.

    This breaking news just in....religion and politics are only as "intricately intertwined" as the secular among us allow it to be. There seems to be a consensus in America as there is in other western nations that the two do not mix well and certainly are not conducive to democratic process. I am neither atheist, agnostic or Christian, but I do consider myself to be a spiritual person of Universalist faith. I count myself among the secular citizens who will fight tooth and nail to keep religion out of politics and out of the government. There is a place for it in our society and in our lives...churches, synagogues, mosques, temples our homes and in our psyches. Why is that not enough for the theocrats? This constant push to pervade is a REAL LIVE BUMMER. Cease and desist, won't you?
    Again as I posted earlier
    UAW was offered pay rates as they are paid to American workers who work in the U.S. for foreign auto companies, i.e. workers in Indiana who work for Honda and Toyata. This would surely NOT be the same as our working for the same rates as Indian MTs. That would be crazy. Don't even suggest it.
    I have brought it up earlier on here but
    O lovers immediately jumped on the Palin bandwagon again. They are so worried about Palin being a "heartbeat away from possibly being president" but they couldn't care less than Biden may very well be just a heartbeat away....period!

    They seem to think Obama will live forever, even though both his parents died young AND he was a heavy smoker, drugger, and drinker.
    They seem to have no concern about that.


    I saw this on TV earlier today...
    ... right before I threw my shoe at the TV set.
    this proves my earlier

    post about the popularity of Fox News and the country being a majority of dullards.  Not enough information to understand the debates on Meet The Press or other actual news programs, so watch 2 clowns argue.  When finished, turn on the wrasslin' channel.


     


    I am the one who replied to you earlier.

    God forbid I step away from my computer to take my son swimming and didn't answer your post before I did so. 


    I am not a republican.  I used to be until the past administration and now I've pretty much said to heck with both parties.  If you wish to talk to terrorists and if that is what Obama wants to do....more power to you.  I will say a little prayer that your head stays attacked to your body when you go to talk to the very people who HATE us.  This isn't fearmongering....that is fact...plain and simple and YOU are so busy spewing democratic ideology that I'm about to vomit over here. 


    And for the last friggin time.....TERRORISTS ARE NOT COVERED UNDER THE GENEVA CONVENTION!!!!!  Regardless of whether we captured them and held them forever, whether we tortured them, or whether we just said to he!! with it and shot them dead......they would still hate us.  Us being all sweet and nice is making them think nothing more than we are a bunch of friggin pu$$ies and why should they worry about being captured because their pal Obama will take care of them.  Give me a break.  The next time you jump down someone's throat and give them he!! because you think they are spewing republican values.......why don't you look in a mirror and see that all you do is regurgitate the BS that MSNBC and mainstream media dish out.  Oh....but don't watch Fox even though the ratings are way better than anything you watch because they obviously don't know what they are talking about even though more people seem to be relating themselves to that network than any other. 


    So go on with your democratic rhetoric about how Bush is to blame and Obama will not only save our country but the world and we will all be peaceful and harmonious with one another and skip around and giggling....oh happy day....yippee.......(PUKE)


    Hey...this whole thing started when YOU interrupted a conversation...
    but I suppose you don't remember that...because you can't resist the knife jab. Yeah, transparent. How does your monstrous ego fit in yer little old head??
    Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.?

    Buchanan to Obama


    By Patrick J. Buchanan


    Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.?


    Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.


    This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:


    First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a
    community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.


    Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.


    Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ླྀs on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community
    into the mainstream.


    Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.


    Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.


    We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??


    Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks.


    Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.?


    Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and inca rceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?


    Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?


    As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?


    Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?


    We have all heard adnauseam from the Rev. AL about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But abo UT the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.


    Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.


    topics to avoid during polite conversation.
    We do have separation of church and state.


    The conversation took place during the primary season
    If they had a casual conversation on these issues before any official selections were even possible, they would have been purely speculative, dontcha think? During the heat of the primary compaign, HC would have been the last person he would have had in mind for either position. Sounds like a fairly innocent chat between friends to me.
    Lack of intelligent conversation on your part
    nm
    If you want to have a private conversation with JTBB, take it off-line.
    If you post to the forum, it's fair game for anyone.

    Oh, and incidentally, if I felt comfortable posting my CV on a public forum, you'd be very embarassed by the "clueless" characterization.
    I was thinking about this very thing earlier. sm
    There is a great plan and things happen for a reason.  I have faith and trust in Him, too.  We are blessed!  
    I heard that earlier. I believe he is sincere...
    it is a historic thing that will happen and I think acknowledging it is the right thing to do. Good for McCain.
    Yes you did, in an earlier post you claimed to be one

    You posted this earlier today and got
    But thanks for trying.
    Poll from earlier today

    I am encouraged by the responses to this poll.  I think that SOME Republicans and those who support McCain/Palin are sincere in their beliefs the same as supporters of Obama/Biden are sincere in their beliefs.  Those who just said "McCain" don't appear to have any reason other than I would assume, that he is the Republican candidate.  There were also those who had reasons but then referred back to the rumors and repeated the charges of Marxist, Socialist, etc. etc.


    What has heartened me is I am convinced we are all AMERICANS first and we all love our country.  I alwo believe that "we the people" will come together after this horrible election and raise our voices until ALL politicians listen to us.  That is my HOPE.


    Good night all.


    Yeah, and she went a step further earlier and said...(sm)

    in her own words *Can you not see what is happening?  Hitler was elected into office during a democratic state.  I am not saying that O is Hitler, what I am saying is that someone with such extreme ideas has been elected to the highest power and there are many signs pointing to the fact that we are going to see some changes that even those that voted for him are not going to  like.*  That's in the *I am a democrat* post.


    Just because you say you didn't call him Hitler right after you did, doesn't mean you didn't do it in the first place.


    You must have missed my earlier post.
    There are plenty of places to go for accurate information on this, so quite whining about media silence. You just don't know where to look. Try the world wide web for a change.

    Here ya go. Just a few examples for you to mull over.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAieKGwQp-s
    In the flesh interview with Dr. Larry Hunter, influential conservative economist, talks about why he endorses Obama. Interview starts @ 1:25 into the clip.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2009-01-08-obama-economy_N.htm
    Conservative economist Martin Feldstein agrees that "reviving the economy requires a major fiscal stimulus from tax cuts and increased government spending."

    For now, most conservative Republicans who could try to block the new Democratic president's plan are willing to boost red ink. Armed with an electoral mandate and faced with a mammoth recession, Obama is being given a wide berth by the GOP. "We need to govern," says Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee. "These issues are so huge and are going to have such a devastating impact on our nation if they're not aggressively and boldly addressed, that we can't afford for this just to be a party-line event."

    ... but even conservative economists agree a huge stimulus package with a variety of spending initiatives is needed. "I have just two words: big and everything," says Martin Regalia, VP, Economic and Tax Policy and chief economist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE49U3DC20081031
    The endorsement from the Economist (a virtual bastion of conservatives) raised a few eyebrows.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/113701/Majority-Americans-Favor-775-Billion-Economic-Stimulus.aspx
    This kind of support is at least as significant as that of conservative economists.

    Ain't cut and paste grand?
    I saw the original of this earlier today. sm
    I was so upset I wanted to call CNN and tell them in no uncertain terms that they needed to fire that wench and get somebody who would let the people talk without being interrupted. Personally, if it had been me she was haranging, I would be in jail because I probably would have swung at her.

    That woman is worse than Rachel Maddow, Anderson Cooper, and others of her ilk. SHe gives the honest, hardworking reporters a bad name.

    No wonder the alphabet soup and MSM groups have lost any and all credibility.


    Earlier poster was right....America did NOT win!
    nm
    So didn't somebody on this board state earlier that
    *
    One of the earlier "kill him" incidents happened
    nm
    Thank you, I alluded to the same thing in an earlier post...

    why should those of us who have built something from our hard work and determination pay for those who have no ambition or drive and only feel a sense of entitlement, jealousy and anger towards those who are doing the right thing? Most people would be in much better financial shape and would be able to get through tough economic times if they just prepared before hand. Remember saving for a rainy day? Well it's pouring right now and I dare say a lot of people have not had to change their lifestyle because they were prepared. There is no incentive in socialism to work hard or save money. Laziness will be rewarded from the sweat of my back. You don't deserve my piece of the pie that I paid for!


     


    I guess I missed your earlier post....sm
    because I'm not the 1 poster who did respond, lol. I am an Independent who happens to be voting Rebulican this election year (but I guess that is no secret, lol).

    I agree....If a person, no matter who it is, is found to be constitutionally ineligible to hold the office of POUS then he/she should be impeached on grounds of treason and jailed immediately.
    Or at leat degrading ones like tried to be posted earlier
    NM
    I think it wasn't discovered earlier for several reasons. sm
    Iwas a healthy 20-something, no risk factors nor known; no particular reason to do US. Back in the day, US wasn't done routinely like now.

    If any good could have come from it, I would have let it go to full-term, but you are not allowed to donate organs from an anencephalic child after birth. Maybe that has changed.

    As for Patty - wow, if you are an example of pro-life / christian values, I don't want in to *your* heaven. Why do you get to judge me? Isnt' that between me and God?
    The article posted is not the complete conversation. Ever hear of Freakanomics? sm
    That has a lot to do with the conversation. As usual, the MSM left out significant parts of what was said.  No surprise there.