Hope you enjoyed your freedom/choices! sm
Posted By: CR on 2009-02-11
In Reply to: Ain't that the truth! LOL - Running on MT
Sometimes what we thought was so bad starts to look better when we get something worse, especially when we did not see it coming. Socialism is not going to be as great as you might think.
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True freedom of religion if you are Christian, or freedom to Islam,Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, agnostic, a
all are religious beliefs, and if you are looking for true FREEDOM, all must be tolerated, understood, and welcomed. cannot put parameters on FREEDOM
I enjoyed that
I enjoyed reading your post. I don't agree about the whole Obama thing....I think he is a huge mistake but that is just my opinion. However, like you, I am thoroughly impressed by Palin and what she has accomplished. I too like that she is not from "washington." I personally believe that she will be the refreshing change that we need! And like you said, Clinton had no experience and was just the governor or Arkansas and was deemed good enough to be pres and yet Palin isn't? I think she would be WAY better than Clinton ever was if she had to step up and be pres. Palin was an excellent choice whether McCain made that decision himself or not!!!
Enjoyed your post, GT.
Not sure why the other poster is so offended. And it was more of a synopsis of Jewish beliefs than a lecture on Christianity.
I also wanted to say that here in middle America I have friends who are Jewish and their beliefs are pretty much right where you're at also. And it's not just them but their friends and relatives also. I guess if the other poster only chooses to look at radical teachings - whether radical right-wing, evangelical Christian, radical Jew or even terrorist Muslims as speaking for all, then we can only hope they can educate themselves over time to what the rest of the world has to offer.
I really enjoyed the discussion, as well.
It was nice to have a peaceful discussion with differing viewpoints. Peace to you, too.
Enjoyed your post!
Thank you and your post talks about a lot of things I had already believed were true.
I know that in Minnesota the state offers a subsized health care plan with a sliding scale payment plan based on income. It has problems though with coverage amount and asset limitations, but it seemed like a start in the right direction. My thought is that ALL people should be able to purchase health care - I am more than happy to pay for it - my main problem is that a lot of jobs don't offer it so then you are completely out of luck unless you purchase it yourself which is ridiculously expensive. A government-subsidized program which CHARGES for insurance but offers it to all is what I'd like to see. And as a person who has relatives who work for a large insurance company (and these folks make an appalling amount of money) - I can't believe those money-making insurance companies have the best interests of American's health as their primary concern!!
I don't believe those are our only two choices, thanks.
And the science has NOT yet demonstrated that we need any such choices at all.
Read up. Get educated.
I've really enjoyed communicating with
you this week. Even though we don't agree, I respect your views and I particularly enjoy reading your posts because you don't get personal and attack others, and it seems that you treat people as you would like to be treated. All that does is increase my desire to read every single post you write because you write intelligently, and I feel I can learn a lot from you.
Please keep posting. 
Ladies, I have SO enjoyed your posts...
like both of you, I have Native American ancestry (Cherokee and Choctaw), Swedish and Irish. But I am an American. Our ancestors who founded this country did not come here and call it England across the water. They wanted to come to a free land with freedom and tolerance for all peoples and religions. It was a wonderful, bold, beautiful dream, and for a long time, it worked. Then enter human nature, petty jealousy and the lot...typical. To use the old addage, has never been a perfect human but one and what happened to him? Hung on a cross.
But I digress. It distresses me to read the "we are citizens of the world" stuff. Excuse me. I am not a citizen of the world. I am a citizen of the United States of America, I am proud of her heritage and her beginnings, always have and always will be. As I said in a previous post...I have never, ever been ashamed of her, but I have been very ashamed of some of her citizens.
It is blatantly obvious to me why so many europeans speak many languages...good grief, most of them are bordered by 2-3 different countries with different languages like our states border one another. So in order to travel, do business and interact, they have to learn different languages. Luckily we don't have Texan, Oklahoman, Wyomingian, etc...we have English. Most of Canada speaks English. We have one country that borders us who have a different language.
And what is wrong with having a national language? France has one...it's French. Germany has one...it's German. Spain has one...its Spanish. Mexico has one...its Spanish. Do you think if suddenly half of Germany illegally "immigrated" to France, France would be interested in putting a press 1 for German on all their phones and putting everything in both languages? Uh...no. I don't see that happening. lol.
Yes, I am a proud flag waver. She flies on a 20-ft pole outside my house every day and she will continue to. I am an American. And I agree...people who immigrate here should do so to become citizens of this country. We are a country of "mutts" as you say...and I use that term very affectionately. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And in the not so distant past, it was being Americans that drew all us "Mutts" together and kept us strong and united as a country. How it pains me to see that start to go away.
I enjoyed a little laugh at my own joke. nm
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Ditto, I always enjoyed your posts as well.
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Basically we do only have 2 choices s/m
Our whole election process needs to be revamped. To start with how about doing away with the electoral college? The popular vote should do just fine. Then there was the matter of redistricting under Clinton? Bush Sr? Junior? Bush Sr, I think, since the redistricting made it easier for the Republicans to win the electoral college vote. Our government corruption, I believe, begins with the election process.
Shelly - there are other choices
We've still got over a week til the election. There is a lot you can read up on, and you never know what's going to happen in whatever time is left. I'm not going to say who you should vote for. That is an individual decision you should make. Also note that if you feel very strongly against both candidates there are other choices. Constitutional, Independent, Green party, etc. IMHO, if you want to look on a lighter side of it, just realize that your vote alone if you were to vote for either of them would not be the one that breaks the tie and wins a victory for them, but if you feel very strongly to vote there are other choices. At least you'll feel like you'll have contributed in the voting process but not chosen someone you don't feel strongly against.
Lifestyle choices
Just wondering where the line should be drawn.
Everyone here in the US can make choices and
why do you not just look? So simple.
You said you enjoyed proving people wrong...
then provide your source. And provide some more current statistics. That is all I asked for. A simple request. If you can't, you can't. No biggie.
novelty VP choices always lose
Geraldine Ferraro. Gore and Lieberman, etc.
it would be my children's choices,not mine
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Delighted that I've still got choices.
Some of the reasons for this are: I have saved as much money as possible. I have never lived beyond my means, never bought too much house, new cars, or gone into debt for travel, bling or doodads.
I was not able to afford college, but I paid attention in high school and made sure I got maximum benefit from my education. For years I worked in an unglamorous civil service job I no longer much enjoyed, until I could retire with a pension and health insurance. (Of course, I may lose this option when healthcare becomes free to all, and rationed to people my age.) Part-time MT is my retirement job; still working, still saving.
I took a steady (plodding) course until, in my 60s, I may actually manage to fade out fairly comfortably. No flash, no pizzazz, just careful planning and self-discipline. I have supported the charities of my choice and voluntarily helped those (again, of my choice) who are less fortunate than I.
Aha! But now here's Obama saying that I have been much too lucky in my life and that, as selfishness is NOT a virtue, I must be prepared to see all my careful work undone because, while I've been busy being an ant, others have been grasshoppers.
Obama's policies will do me nothing but harm. Those who feel they have no options but to wait around for rescue have not been paying attention.
I especially enjoyed the real refreshing lie I caught him in the other day...did you catch it?
...no, guess not...no one in the media called him on it either.
Here, let me give you a hint. Obama said that all of the conservative and liberal economists agreed that his economy recovery plan was good (or would work, or something like that).
The lie being that "all the conservative economists" part.
That was one, big, fat, honking lie.....no one even blinked and took his word for it.
My DH says there's at least a half dozen conservative economists out there that don't agree with Obama...and yet....if Obama says they do....everyone believes him.
He lies and you don't even know it, he's so smooth about it.....
But some of us know he does...lie that is......he's getting real good at talking both sides of the issues, so that if something does or doesn't come to pass, he can say I told you so....or whatever needs to be said to save his you know whatsis.
I think he's learned a lot from the Clintons lately, don't you?
so the choices were a racist or a fiction writer...sm
If you think Allen only said *macacca once* then you are naive, and I know you are not. He was only caught on camera once. His own friends said he was prejudiced in college and the *macacca* statement on the record is evidence he has not changed. The man had a noose in his office for Pete's sake.
Judging a candidate by his fiction writing. He claims, *It's not a sexual act, Webb told [radio host Mark] Plotkin regarding the Lost Soldiers excerpt. I actually saw this happen in a slum in Bangkok when I was there as a journalist.
The duty of a writer is to illuminate his surroundings.*
Is what he wrote tasteless - YES, but it was fiction. I will hold out on defending his writing just yet. I have not read the novel, but being an avid fiction reader there is no way I would try to judge a writers integrity or personality from what's in their novel.
The catholic school offered several choices of
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elighted that I've still the means to have choices.
Some of the reasons for this are: I have saved as much money as possible. I have never lived beyond my means, never bought too much house, new cars, or gone into debt for travel, vacations, bling or doodads. For years I worked in an unglamorous civil service job I no longer much enjoyed, until I could retire with a pension and health insurance. (Of course, I may lose this option when healthcare becomes ''free'' to all, and rationed to people my age.) I was not able to afford college, but I paid attention in high school and made sure I benefited from my education.
I took a steady (plodding) course until, in my 60s, I may actually manage to fade out fairly comfortably. No flash, no pizzazz, just careful planning and self-discipline. Aha! But now here's Obama saying that I have been too fortunate in my life and that, selfishness being NOT a virtue, I must be prepared to see all my careful
Fascist police state vs. socialism - great choices.nm
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There are other choices. I find Obama and McCain equally offensive, so I am voting for Ralph Nader.
Bob Barr might also be a good choice.
Good for Joe! I hope so. And I hope he sues...
the governor of the state of Ohio from now to next week. He should. They BIG time violated his civil rights. If this situation was reversed and he was a Dem who had asked McCain a question and a state had had him investigated, the ACLU would be all over this like ugly on an ape. Liberals only care about other liberals...they could care LESS what happens to conservatives. But yeah, they are all about civil liberties. Geez. Pull the other leg awhile.
Freedom
I just want to say THANK YOU for your opinion, which is very valid.
Ah, but being a bum is FREEDOM
after all, we can cook over a fire using a wal-mart cart as a grill. We can get jiggy with nature. You must be well aware that bears aren't the only ones who "do it" in the woods. Visiting the food pantry at the local church is always a treat! All that hamburger helper and no hamburger - but a squirrel will do in a pinch, provided you can nail one of the little buggers. It is an ADVENTURE!
Glad you enjoyed them and glad to see you back!
Freedom of speech, LOL
Freedom of speech? To get up there and state you believe A WHOLE SOCIETY OF PEOPLE, A WHOLE ETHNICITY OF PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE ABORTED? Yet, you people jump all over Cindy Sheehan when she rags on Bush, LOL..You jump all over anti war people when we scream..STOP THIS WAR..But NOW you are stating freedom of speech..LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL..Better to shut up now about Bennett, cause you sure are looking silly..
and I'd like to keep my religious freedom sm
without having to answer to the Christian right. If they had their way, we'd all be wearing babuskas and having a kid or two every year, paying homage to them at a tithe of 10% and having to hate all other religious ideologies.
Ah, yes. Freedom of speech.
I remember it well.
It was a cute joke. In case any of you missed it before it was removed from the board, one of the many places it can be found is http://www.justpetehere.com/2004/11/george_bush_pas.html.
Better do it quickly, though, because this post is sure to be removed as soon as the Cons start whining again.
freedom of speech
Check out the St. Pete Times, Sunday, 11/13/05, The Perspective, article by Robin Blummer. Sorry I don't have the link but it is easy to find. Talk about scary. By the way, I see that there are a number of comments to posts listed on the board but they are not available to see. Is this a new policy...we know people read or responded but we can't see what the response is?
Freedom is an illusion
What is sad is the idea that an entire political party would align itself with, unite itself behind and extend its unquestioning support to a president and administration who behave like closet fascists. Thank heavens their glory days are past us now and we can begin counting down their time in office in measures of months, weeks or days.
Even more regrettable is the fact that both parties and their supporters are so blissfully unaware of and so openly hostile toward the issues that plague their fellow Americans and accept the catastrophic damage that has been inflicted as business as usual. These issues in no way are confined to the war, although it is by far the most pressing one at the moment. It is difficult to know where to begin a laundry list of the grievances, but the demise of our civil liberties, the flagrant disregard of the constitution and the disappearance of freedom of speech come to mind.
Ask any democrat just how free they have felt over the past 8 years to express their dissent and listen to the response as one American to another, not as republican to democrat. This is only one of many steps that we will need to take as a nation to heal the wounds of division that currently afflict us. We are all saddened by this state of affairs and that is the common ground from which we start our search for solutions in resolving our differences and coming together as a nation.
Who started what and why is an exercise in endless frustration. The question is where do we go from here?
do you or do you not believe in freedom of speech....
and do you or do you not believe in the right of people to have opinions different from those and voice them? Is someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read my posts? You might be more comfortable in Russia where it is the policy of the counry to control thought that does not agree with the party line.
Freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech is freedom to all.
When watching TV if there is something I don't like I change the channel. I would suggest you do the same on this board instead of trying to silence those you don't agree with.
Keep on postin sam - you must be hitting home if there are those who want to silence you.
So is freedom of speech.
If the lady wants to talk about religion, so what? It's not like she's gonna get into office and make us all abide by her religion - Pa-leeeze!!!
Freedom of Speech? Think Again.
Hyscience
Religious freedom.
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Freedom of Choice Act
The Freedom of Choice Act would make abortion a federal issue and would basically do away with any restrictions on abortion. There are many state level FOCA acts already, but this would be the first time that it would be a federal act. I'm not a legal brain so I'm not sure if I am explaining this 100%. From reading both sides of the issue, it will basically lift all restrictions on getting abortions, meaning going in and having an abortion will be as simple as going in and having a check up.
To me that is just a new form of birth control and completely unacceptable. Yes, women have the right to choose. They have the right to choose to wait to have sex and to use good judgment. They have a right to choose to not sleep around. They have a right to birth control and requiring a man to wear a condom.
I understand there are dire situations, such as rape, incest, and in cases where the mother's PHYSICAL health is at risk. While I don't believe in abortion at all and wish it had never been thought of, I do sympathize with those mothers, and yes something should be done to help them. But to just say "hey abortions for everyone!!" is ridiculous! You know as well as I that most abortions are done simply because having a child would be an inconvenience. That is not right! If you don't want the consequence of having a child, then keep your legs closed! Sorry!
Freedom of religion....(sm)
also includes freedom FROM religion. It's funny to me that, as you said, people came to this country for freedom of religion (among other things). Now that they're here christians try to impose the very problems associated with those in Britian on the people of this nation. Christians are constantly trying to force their will upon others through politics. Please explain to me how that demonstrates freedom of religion. Doesn't that just put us back where we were?
Freedom of religion is a live and let live proposition....not a winner takes all competition.
NBC has the freedom to reject the ad!
The Catholic church has the freedom to produce the ad, NBC has the freedom to reject the ad, and everyone in this country has the freedom to choose whether or not they watch NBC. That is how it should be, freedom for everyone!
freedom of speech
Hillary said that Bill always was a hard dog to keep on the porch. So what. At least we weren't embroiled in an unjustified war, we had a SURPLUS in the treasury and the whole country wasn't going to the dogs. I believe in the 1st amendment - she can say whatever she wants. Take some cojones to talk about propriety................look at dubya and turd blossom.
Just another freedom chiseled away....sm
in the guise of healthcare.
This administration is going to do its best to make us a one party system, a people dependent entirely on the government, where over half are on the govt dole, and the other have of us slave to pay for it, and the more government there is, the less freedom we each will have.
This health plan, not to mention the rest of which is to come, is just one less freedom, that we each will have.
One day, these children will wake up and see what they have cost us, and what they no longer have.
Please name one freedom that Obama has taken away...nm
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Oh please - no one is losing their freedom
I read the article. Their freedoms are not being taken away. However, they are treating the home like it is a business and bring the congregation to a private home conducting business there without a license. This should be kept in the churches.
The "homosexual community" had nothing to do with this and no where in the article does it say that.
You'll be the first to try and take away the rights of the gays and lesbians, but you sure don't like it back do ya.
Freedom of religion........ sm
is one of the foundation blocks of this country, not freedom FROM religion. Every person in this country is, based on the constitution, free to worship (or not worship) in any form they choose. I think that Obama's statement reflects his political viewpoint and gives us an insight into what is most important to him, which is politics at its best with no regard for God in any form or fashion.
Yes, you have the freedom to LEAVE
if you don't like the direction our country is heading. You LOST. The Good Guys Won. Deal with it!! Get behind our President and our Country. Or LEAVE! We don't need treason like this you are expressing.
Who's denying her freedom of speech.sm
What you guys want is for her freedom of speech to go unanswered. Since she is an army mom then we should worship her and allow her to dump on us because of our beliefs.
If she wants praise and high-fives she should be posting on the conservative board.
Yep. Kiss freedom goodbye!
Its called freedom of speech
Hey, neocons, its called freedom of speech..part of our Constitution. Dont like it, dont read the posts, dont come on the liberal board to cause trouble..stay where you are safe on your own board..
U.S. learns to live with less freedom...sm
U.S. learns to live with less freedom
Jun. 19, 2006. 05:30 AM
TIM HARPER
WASHINGTON BUREAU
MANCHESTER, N.H.—The fierce cultural aversion to the long reach of government is emblazoned on every licence plate here, an omnipresent statement that should make Rich Tomasso's job easier.
But even a man who makes it his business to protect individual liberties in a state where no government would dare collect a sales tax or personal income tax — or force a seatbelt around a driver or a helmet on a motorcyclist — has to face some harsh realities in George W. Bush's America.
People are more afraid of terror than having their privacy violated, says Tomasso, chair of the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. For so long the rhetoric has been about fear, not hope and more traditional American values.
Live Free or Die is not just a cheesy licence plate slogan in this tiny New England state. But even New Hampshire is not immune to the national erosion of civil liberties that has permeated every part of the United States since terrorists forced their way into airline cockpits almost five years ago, taking away a nation's bravado and replacing it with fear.
The exploitation of that fear by an administration intent on inflating the powers of the presidency, at the expense of a cowed Congress and with the tacit approval of an anxious nation, may be a cautionary tale for Canadians should some of that U.S.-style fear find its way north of the border in the wake of Toronto's recent terrorism arrests.
In recent years, it has become a truism that Americans will trade away some liberties because they have been attacked. Canadians have not.
But where is that rugged U.S. individuality that had helped define this nation?
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