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No you were not - it's obvious you were talking about the presidents

Posted By: see message on 2009-06-19
In Reply to: I was talking about the slander that is going on on this board! Wake up, Patty!..nm - ()

because you said so in your message! Sheesh - this is about as good as David Letterman saying he was talking about the "other" Palin girl.


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I was not talking about 16 other presidents...... sm
I am talking about Obama.

I thought the general consensus of this board, or at least the Obama supporters here, was that we were to not look at history but rather to the future. (At least that is what I was told when I posted that those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat their mistakes.)

You really should have watched the "YouTube bites." It was Obama himself saying that he did not believe a person that is unqualified for a job should apply for it and that was his reasoning for saying that he did not see himself running for a national office in 2008. Since you didn't watch the video, I believe you are unqualified to comment on it.
Presidents have been "slandered" since there's been presidents
President Bush took a beating. And you think Obama is somehow above being criticized???? Funny...
Comparing the two presidents

is a little like comparing a bass (Bush) to a great white shark (Iranian president). 


 


Presidents do not yield

to political blackmail -- Obama did the right thing.  He believes his time is better spent letting the entire bleppin' congress work the on the issue and then vote when they come up with a plan.  McCain is just making another grandstand attempt that has fallen embarrassingly flat.


 


They do that with ALL presidents. Usually, initially
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Oh, so you don't care if this has been done before with other presidents, . . . sm
but you do care if it has not been done before.  Why?  Either way, the naysayers will have something to whine about.  The only reason there is such a big deal being made is because there has not been a president in recent history that has had been under so much scrutiny in his first 100 days.  Even if he were to solve world peace, find a cure for cancer AND turn water into wine, they would still complain and find fault. 
So have all the other Christian presidents, nm
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Not all presidents do have a gathering
Just because they served the Kool-Aid in the Bush white house for the last 8 years, doesn't mean that's what is supposed to happen. Obama signed a national proclamation honoring the day, which is what many presidents have done since Truman created it 50 some years ago. Not everyone needs to drape themselves in their religion to honor it.
All presidents have done things....(sm)

in secret.  It's never caused such a problem before.  I'm not trying to slam Bush, but look at all the stuff we're finding out about his administration (i.e. torture memos, etc).  And to top that off, Bush was the one who initially stopped access to the guest list to the WH.  When Bush did it the news covered it, but there wasn't a wide spread panic about it....so what's the big deal about Obama doing it? 


I'm not saying that I agree with blocking the lists, because I don't, but the point is that both Bush and Obama have done it, so why the panic about just one of them?  My guess is that right wing media is pushing the issue and using it as a talking point; basically making the media being the ones who are instilling fear, not Obama.


My point is that prior presidents have had their day..sm
and time when they were covered in mud and IMHO none of it is right, except to say in most cases the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

But, to answer Jeb's and Bush's family mishaps with the what about the Kennedy's line is dodging the point to me.

Bringing up the Lynch and Dean ordeal that's something worth listening to, but you guys just can't let go of old democratic presidents. It's like a thorn still sticking in your side. Everytime something comes up with Bush, you talk about Clinton, or even the Kennedy's, as if that dismisses Bush somehow. Whatever gets you though.
Maybe it's time to dump the presidents and
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16 presidents with less experience than Obama...
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html
1. Abraham Lincoln,
2. FDR
3. Theodore Roosevelt
4. Woodrow Wilson
5. John Adams
6. Grover Cleveland
7. Ronald Reagan
8. Howard Taft
9. Bill Clinton
10. George Bush
11. Chester A. Arthur
12. Herbert Hoover
13. Jimmy Carter
14. Benjamin Harrison
15. Ulysses S. Grant
16. William Harrison

BTW, I do not make such important decisions as selecting a president based on YouTube sound bytes, so no, I did not bother with the video. My vote is between me and my candidate, based on exactly the things I listed in the previous post, which I stand by 100%.

Hogwash. See 16 presidents post above.
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Haven't all the other Christian presidents? nm
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Democratic presidents 'suck' in the eyes
of Reps, and Republican presidents 'suck' in the eyes of Dems.....and round and round it goes...
There were assassination attempts on WHITE Presidents. Did the assassinators
think they might not really be white? or that they were too young to run a country?
much ado about nothing...reporter posed question as, "had he spoken to any *living* presidents?..
i agree the reporter's question was absolutely LAME..."has he spoken to any LIVING past presidents?" um...as opposed to talking to dead ones? I thought his response was quick-witted considering the idiocy of the question--at least he didn't put the reporter on the spot and embarrass her...instead he made his first gaffe as POTUSE and already apologized. let's hope the reporters ask SMARTER questions at the next conference.
When McBush is talking, he isn't talking to you unless you are wealthy or CEO

 


who provides campaign funds.  Do you know why lobbyists are making the headlines?  Because they are bribing the politicians of both parties - lobbyists work for private interests (AIPAC) along with the pharmaceutical company ($280.00 for a bottle of pills?  Only in America, folks), oil industry (record profits at your expense) credit card companies and unethical banking procedures (Funny isn't it how Visa wrote the reformed BK bill, making virtually everyone end up in ch 13 (garnishing income, including SS) after raising credit limits and offering transfer balances at 0 percent to everyone with a last name and a roof over their head?  Along with mtgs that were bound to turn into bad loans when house prices dropped which they always do after a bubble.  God, I could go on and on here but I get tired.  The nation is in such trouble.  Serious serious trouble.  There is a huge loan to an unfriendly country (did you watch the Olympics?  did you ever see Bush look more uncomfortable other than during the Stephen Colbert roast during the national press conference.  lol.  


Well I want you to know what fascism.  And I want you to know that those treasury notes are backed up by the taxpayers (you) and real estate including roads and govt buildings and parks.  Have you noticed why Save-Mart Center is owned by savemart and not a community business or the community itself?  There is somethign happening slowly and surely and it is NOT going to benefit middle class america one iota.  You must know that as a poor person, you have no power, no voice.  Elections are rigged and the politicans cease to care whether you like them or not - oh wait, that has already happened. 


THINK ABOUT THIS!!!!  Your 401Ks and investments/assets are what at are stake! 


Fascist governments nationalized key industries and made massive state investments. They also introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of Soviet-style economic planning measures.[12] Property rights and private initiative were contingent upon service to the state.[13].[14] Fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way" between capitalism and Marxian socialism.[15] Fascists in Germany and Italy claimed that they opposed reactionaries, and that they were actually revolutionary political movements that fused with conservative social values.


Talking to them is talking to a brick wall.
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It is obvious

It is obvious this poster is a conservative coming over to the liberal board to try to start some trouble. Fortunately, liberals know to let people speak their minds, think out things and speak them.  Unfortunately conservatives like to squash that, everyone should think like them and god forbid, if they dont, they will be eliminated.  I ask, who posted this against a liberal poster who was speaking his/her mind?  Come forward and state who you are and defend your actions of reporting the liberal poster to the administration..Come on out and tell the liberal board who you are and why you did this.


Oh gee, it was so obvious....
When asked the question about who he thinks will win the presidency, he couldn't answer without pausing. It was so obvious he doesn't want Obama to win but, of course, saying that would go against his party lines so he and Hillary just sit and wait until 2012, hoping for the next chance.

This lady does not want to play second fiddle to Obama.

Bill says he is working with many organizations that help around the world and listed several of them.
Yes, it would seem obvious, but....
the devotion of his followers is almost cult-like. And they absolutely cannot understand anyone who doesn't adore him. Sigh.
Well isn't it obvious?

People in the armed forces are generally conservative people and would likely vote McCain.  So of course this hasn't been fixed because they don't want McCain voters to vote.  Homeless people living on park benches, however, would only have to hear about Obama spreading the wealth and they would be on board for Barrack Obama therefore giving him more votes.  You do the math.


I am totally disgusted by the corruption in this election.  The voter registration fraud as well as the voter fraud that has happened is just plain wrong.  Letting homeless people with no address vote is just opening up a chance for more voter fraud.  Taking away the right of our armed forces to vote because of a glitch is just wrong. They are fighting and risking their lives and we can't even do right by them when it comes to making THEIR vote count.  Of all people in this country, don't you think they have the most right to vote.  They are the ones fighting for us while we sit here and complain about everything from the safety of our computers. 


That is quite obvious from all your
FOX IS BETTER!! Check the real ratings, not the ones they lie about on MSNBC! And, it is fair and balanced.
it is so obvious...
from all of your posts that you are quite convinced no one else knows anything. just following this thread demonstrates it. Face it, some people think differently than you do. Geez, it is possible they could even be right? someone who sees things differently than you could be right?? So you just keep typing away and thinking that you know more than those members of the military actually serving who think differently than you do. The only ones that you even consider are the ones who think like you. Whatever. Your over-rated opinion of yourself does not merit further comment.
It's also obvious that...(sm)

you have nothing constructive to say (from either side), rather you just look for opportunities to take a jab at someone with a different opinion.  If you were actually following this thread (which I seriously doubt), you would know that this is about the amount and content of news allowed for soldiers at war.  It has nothing to do with me being smarter than them, it has to do with availability of information.


Considering your obvious impressive disinterest in the subject being discussed, might I suggest you start your own post on a subject that interests you and call it *I don't like people who disagree with me.*


It is very obvious, you go where ever
source supporting your views; especially those who support your views and who have nothing good to say about our great U.S.A.!
The obvious is always ignored ..........
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Well, I do think that about JBB....that has been obvious
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I love democrats! I love most of the past democratic presidents (sm)
I would love for there to be a good democrat I could vote for. I want good leadership and I want change. But I truly believe to purposely ignore a symbol speaks volumes. He is not just asking the symbol to wait, he is ignoring it on purpose. Avoiding it on purpose. Why do you think that is? There is a reason. Can you not see it?
She's only saying what is very obvious from your posts!

It was obvious you were speaking for
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The obvious response would be
if it bothers you so much, why do you watch it?  I assume you possess free will.   No big bad mean Republican has super-glued your dial to Fox News, I am assuming? 
Sorry, it's obvious I am bumfoozled. sm

I already explained it so sorry for the mistake.


your point is obvious

What is not so obvious is how you keep that funny little hat perched atop it . . .


 


Oh but it is so obvious how much you do care!
You post about it repeatedly, you taunt, you deny, then you rehash the whole thing again and then you end by more taunting.  This applies not only to your moniker-obsessing but your posting style in general.  You might try reading and thinking about what you post some time.  You come across as very un-genuine and in deep deep denial about your own behavior.  I am sure this is not the first time you have heard this comment, either, This could explain why you resort to mocking people on an anonymous board in addition to why you have so very much time to spend on a computer. 
An obvious question would be...
why would anyone wait until you are sick to get insurance? That is like trying to get flood insurance when they have 2 feet of water in their house. I don't think anyone should expect an insurance company to insure them in either case. If an insurance company was forced to insure a person who waited until they were sick to get insurance, who had not paid one premium prior to that...how unfair is that to the people who have paid premiums into that company for years and had not had a claim, their premiums would go to take care of a person who never sought insurance until they were sick. Plus, if insurance companies were forced to do that...within a month several thousand people who had insurance would stop paying insurance premiums and not try to get insurance back until they got sick. No premiums, no money to pay out, insurance company goes belly up and no one has insurance. I am not sure exactly where you are going with this...maybe I am misunderstanding?
It was NOT obvious it was a joke -
This is what McCain is about. He obviously wants to wipe out other nations. He's been heard singing about it. This is not "amusing", this is not "cute", this is not "a joke", and this is certainly not "Statesmanlike". As for Michelle's comment. If Obama had said it, yes I would say go after him. But she is not running for President, and when it comes to this people always say leave Cindy McCain alone even though she's said and done some whoppers in the past. We all know what Michelle meant and I feel bad she added the word "first" in there. This is called a mistake. Everyone makes them. This was not a serious mistake. I'll tell you though...there is not a lot to be proud of. Bush's, Clinton's, slimy politicians and lawyers and corporate executives destroying hard working Americans lives. Nobody caring about people losing their homes, gas prices rising, gouging of other costs. Executives being dismissed from jobs but receiving multi million dollar settlements, while the workers lose their jobs with nothing. You tell me what is there to be proud of. We've still got a long way to go in race relations as unfortunately there are still a lot of biggots in this country who believe because of the color of his skin he should not be president. But to harp on this issue because Michelle said the word "first". Everyone knows what she meant (even Mrs. Bush made a statement in that regard). As for Barack sitting down with our enemies - you better count on it if we ever plan to get along with other countries. You HAVE to sit with your enemies and work out a strategy to live on the earth together in peace (even Kennedy, Carter, and Reagan have all said that). Not coward and hide in a corner like McCain would (oh no, that's right - he'd obliterate them). Let the Michelle comment rest and focus on what the candidates are saying (or not saying) and doing. Look at their records. Leave Cindy M and Michelle O out of it.
captain obvious dum dum de dum

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It is so obvious by your snobbery, that you are a
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My goodness, it's so obvious
that you have blinders on!  Wake up!
It's obvious why this poster seems to think
government interference in our lives is okay. If she THINKS she falls below the Obama mandate (socialism), she feels secure in thinking it won't be her skin, so she doesn't care. Like so many. They are so sucked in to believing that all these social programs are someone gonna be FREE FOR ALL that she won't be paying any more taxes. Oh, how the ignorant will fall. Shows the true colors of her loyalty or lack thereof for her country. Too bad she isn't grateful she lives in a free society where she is at least free to keep more of her money than in other country and be free to sit her and yammer on ignorantly.



Oh, I'm SURE you do. Patently obvious. nm
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don't know, don't care, but it is obvious
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Yes, that is patently obvious. nm
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also, quite obvious she is setting herself up for it - nm
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It should be pretty obvious

I really think all of these "bail-outs" were actually a long time in the planning and went off according to schedule.  The way the Wall Street bail out was handled, just give them the cash, no oversight, a 2 page application, etc. tells it's own story.  The salaries and bonuses given to the CEOs is nothing short of disgusting.  Yet people have the unmitigated gall to whine because union workers earn a decent living.  Working class people should be squarely behind the UAW workers and AGAINST the CEOs who are begging for our money while flying to the begging table in their private jets.  Heck most of us when we fly have to take coach class.  First class is reserved for the like of the Victoria Olsteens.  At least they aren't rich enough YET to afford their private jet.


Your husband may as well go on down to Washington and ask for a handout but I doubt he'll get it.....now if the real estate commission in your state went, they MIGHT get a bail out that wouldn't even trickle down to your husband.  Bush and Cheney care not one iota for common people.....witness their "so what?" and "so?"  Now that their days are numbered they can say what they want and still there are those on this board who can't see them for what they are.  CROOKS!!!!! 


Let's ignore the obvious here...(sm)

It's not like he couldn't watch it later....How many times did Fox run the full speech yesterday?  Then there's always the option of taping it and watching it later.  Or maybe it was simply more important to him to have dinner with his wife than to watch the constant dribble of lies that has now become the hallmark of Bush.  Do you think Bush is going to stay glued to the festivities of the inauguration?


Don't you think this is just a bit petty?


Stating the obvious
resemble a personal attack. You have clearly defined yourself here. All I did was to tell it like it is.
Thank you sbMT for this...but it is obvious no one...sm
pays any attention to any of this anymore.  I think the true history regarding the founding of our country has been watered down and taken completely out of the history books in school. 
It was just an obvious observation.....
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