I, for one, am glad this topic was brought up

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It was beautiful and summed all the things that are in my heart that worry me and that I was too clunk-headed to write so eloquently.

I hope some little bit of it penetrated the conservative psyches on the other board to maybe bring us all a little closer together in our caring and concern for what's happening in our world.

First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they were pregnant.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we
rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.

As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.

Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and

NO ONE actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank koolade made with sugar, but we weren't overweight because .

WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.

No one was able to reach us all day.

And we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down
the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's, no surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or chat rooms..........

WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no
lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays,

made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang
the bell, or just walked in and talke! d to them!

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.

They actually sided with the law!

These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned

HOW TO

DEAL WITH IT ALL!

If YOU are one of them . . . CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as
kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives

for our own good.

And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave (and lucky) their parents were.

Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it?!

Why the heck can't BLACKS be just plain AMERICANS like the rest of us???? I don't see myself going around saying I'm Irish-Native American-American. Let's let the racist crap go, shall we?

I do believe that I stated below that I am not one of the irresponsible people who got us in this mess. My husband and I pay our bills and our mortgage. I know the government won't pay off my mortgage. It was wishful thinking and playfulness. That is why I encouraged others to think about what they could buy if they didn't have their mortgage to pay each month. I'm sorry but you have taken it WAY out of context and blown it WAY out of proportion. I don't expect any one to pay my bills but me and I certainly don't want my money going to irresponsible people either.

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice if the government would reward responsible people for once instead of continually giving more money to crooked politicians and crooked rich people and constantly giving to irresponsible people. What do honest, hard-working Americans get in return for their hard work......we are asked to give more of our money to the government so they can spend it well on Pelosi's mice and other porky things in a stimulous package that will not work.

BTW, you assumed that I'm a pub. When it comes down to it....I'm a middle of the road kind of person. I agree some with one side and some with another. So don't stereotype me as a pub and call me a hypocrit. It was wishful thinking and playfulness and you turned it into this huge issue when it should not have been.

I pay my bills. I pay my mortgage. I expect no one to pay my bills for me. I was suggesting the government paying off my mortgage for me in a playful manner. That is why I encouraged others to think of things they could buy if they didn't have to pay their mortgage every month. You assume that I am a pub obviously or you would not have attacked my playful topic and called me a hypocrit. Well, I am not a pub. I am a middle of the road kind of person who can see some points on both sides of the fence. So stop stereotyping me and please reduce your caffeine intake and learn to take a playful topic as that....just for fun.

smokers and I was just trying to explain how I can love and care for someone but hate what they do....so I used my father and his smoking.

As for smoking....it is too a sin. Technically anything that we take into our body that harms it is sinful. Our bodies are supposed to be temples to God. That is why for so many years ear piercing was bad and some people still consider tattoes bad.

It's me - the one who's been posting under all the gt alias joke monikers. I just had to blow off steam after the conservative board debacle last night. Don't know why I get involved in it. My fall equinox resolution will be to inform, not condemn.

how similar the McCain story is to that offered by Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsen and then later popularized by Christian leaders Chuck Colson and Billy Graham. Sullivan also points out other suspicious changes:

At Saddleback, McCain talked about a single guard being the protagonist. The same guard loosened his ropes and then later sketchd the cross in the dirt. In McCain's 1999 book, these were two different guards at two different prison camps.

McCain's first writings about his time in captivity didn't mention the story at all, so he's asked his readers for evidence of McCain offering that story prior to his 1999 book (when he was gearing up for a presidential run).

There has always been scandal and there always will be because we're all human. I think Obama wants us to think he's "not involved" and does not promote it, which I'm sure he doesn't, but you can't think that he's not liking the negative attention casted towards that party rather than his. This has become something big (baby mama drama) in this country. It's everywhere. I think Maury Povich does a show every day on it doesn't he? Paternity testing and such... It's in our world and there's no turning our backs on it.

What if you consider the law immoral (such as, for example, segregation)? What if you consider integration immoral? How much does individual conscience have to do with this? Easy to say someone else's conscience is in error, but they are saying the same about yours.

Some people try to short their taxes because the money goes to fund a war they do not believe in (there's usually one going on) or to fund abortions, or medical research they abhor, and now to bail out failed businesses and individual mortgages. I think everyone could find something that's funded by our tax money objectionable. How much are we morally required to render unto Caesar?

It's illegal to overstay a parking meter. Is it also immoral if you did it intentionally, simply because you've violated a law? How about sliding through a red light at 3 a.m. on a deserted country road when you could not possibly injure anyone?

If it's legal to raise rent past a tenant's ability to pay, is it also moral? What if this makes them homeless?

I agree, we MUST purchase these things under law or under terms of a mortgage agreement.

But the premiums we pay are in line with what we're insuring. For example, we're not forced to pay the same premium for a two-bedroom home that a multimillionaire would pay for a 56-room mansion. We're not forced to pay the same premium for a 1980 Chevy that a multimillionaire would pay for a Rolls Royce.

That distinction doesn't hold true with medical "insurance," and that's partly where the problem lies.

I agree, we MUST purchase these things under law or under terms of a mortgage agreement.

That distinction doesn't hold true with medical "insurance," and that's partly where the problem lies.