post reminds me of *Not Without My Daiughter*

• Detained Iraqi children - piglet
  • AND YOUR PURPOSE FOR DIGGING? - nana
    • I, for one, am glad this topic was brought up - DW
      • DW, if you will look at the article I posted.... - Observer
        • Absolutely, I am grateful you posted that - DW
    • My motives are nothing more than the knowledge. - piglet
      • With all due respect.... - Observer
        • My overall concern is that it is the US - piglet
          • I understand what you are saying.... - Observer
        • I just got chills - DW
      • Nana, are you aware of the conditions in Iraq? sm - whorn
        • Awareness - nana
          • What I understand is that your are angry. - piglet
            • NOT DEAD, NOT COLD JUST - nana
              • It we adopt that attitude, we will be plunged into war - piglet
                • NO PLUNGE TO IT! - nana
                  • Praying, trusting and respecting leaders? - pxmt
                    • Agreed about earning except - nana
                      • Wow...where to start.... - pxmt
                  • Regardless, this means we kill them all? - piglet
                    • Rights - nana
                      • Then I expect you to be the first in line for the draft. - piglet
                        • This is the most nonsensical thing I have ever read. nm - Tara
              • post reminds me of *Not Without My Daiughter* - not poster you were posting to.....n/m
                • oops typo, *Not Without My Daughter* (Sally Field)..... - not poster you were posting to.....n/m
                  • Not Without - nana
  • This is an article from the UK Times about Camp Cropper....gives more details ... - Observer
  • Wow - DW

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John Mc said he knew exactly how to find Bin Laden.  Shame he refuses to share his knowledge with the military leaders.

something that occurred about 25 years.  I was working in a law office, and one of the newer attorneys was reading a medical report that contained the word "cephalgia."  He almost started jumping up and down, really excited because (I think) it was such a "big word."

He asked if anyone had any medical background.  I said I had a little bit, and he asked me what cephalgia meant.

I said, "Well, let's see:  "Algia" means pain.  "Ceph" means pain, so pain in the head -- HEADACHE!"

I was relating this to a court reporter friend of mine who then asked me what I would call an analgesic.

I said, "Well, using my "formula," I guess it means "pain in the butt"!

an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it).  There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid.  It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately.  Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died.  This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest.  What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world.  There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter.  The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here?  The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old. 

Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news.  The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work.  It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.

This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc.  Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it.  Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers here, they are simply doing what they've been told to do. 

When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them?  Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure?  Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle?  Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp?  Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help.  Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers?  Where's the help for that?

And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq. 

an event that took place during the Iraq war (not sure of the date, but I'm sure some of you will remember it).  There was an Iraqi child who was (as well as many others) caugt in a bombing raid.  It was all over the news about how the US military had given him provisional care and transported him from place to place, trying to get him to a place where he could be treated appropriately.  Unfortunately (like many other Iraqi civilians) he eventually died.  This in itself was not that remarkable, especially considering at the time the US was lobbing bombs into Iraq with the precision of a pumpkin-chunkin contest.  What was remarkable, however, was when the doctor who was caring for the child came out and told the news of his death to the world.  There were several questions entertained by the doctor from reporters, but the one that really struck home for me was one from a US reporter.  The question was, do you think the boy understood what we are trying to do here?  The boy that died was all of about 4 or 5 years old. 

Not long after, the US decided to not show casualties in the news.  The story above may have contributed to this, but the basic idea was that Americans didn't like to see Americans dead.  The government unfortunately was right in assuming the out of sight, out of mind thing would work.  It's amazing just how naive Americans can be.

This is a perfect example of what you would call American pride, honor, etc.  Nevermind the people who die, just make sure we look good doing it.  Again, I am not negating the value of the American soldiers: they are simply doing what they've been told to do. 

When you talk about soldiers helping the Iraqi people, exactly how are they helping them?  Are they bringing them food and medicine because we have destroyed their infrastructure?  Are they helping them find a place to stay because their house played catch with a US missle?  Or are we just taking care of their kids because we took mommy and daddy to a torture camp?  Believe me, we are doing much more harm than help.  Have you noticed that Iraqi civilian casualties far outnumber the casualties of American soldiers?  Where's the help for that?

And yes, I did have someone serving in Iraq. 

our dad ever played on us, and it was at his own funeral many years ago.  The guy was a hoot.  Mom had died the year before, so my sister (same Norm Crosby sister) remembered exactly where in the cemetery the double-wide grave was. 

Dad’s procession wound through the grounds – he had a lot of friends, so it was a long parade.  The hearse stopped at the newly prepped grave with the canopy over it.  Our limo pulled up behind it.  My sister said, ‘This is the wrong place.’  Her husband said, ‘Nah, this looks like it.’  I had no recollection.  The pallbearers opened the hearse and started hauling the casket out and my sister made her husband go up and tell them to stop.  This was ALL WRONG.  So, they shoved the casket back in, and closed the doors.  Now you see it.  Now you don’t. 

All the people behind us started to get our of their cars, and mill around.  My sister went up there and now I could see a lot of gesturing and pointing.  She’s pointing way that-a-way and the cemetery crew are shaking their heads and pointing this-a-way.  So there was an intermission while somebody went to the office for a map. 

Now we have the map spread out on the hood of the hearse.  Nobody else in the crowd really knows what’s going on,  and sure enough, wrong grave.  Dad almost got himself interred for eternity next to some other woman.  You’d have to know my dad (and my mom) to get the joke. 

We agreed to have the graveside service there, but then he had to be moved to where the backhoe would shortly be hastily digging the grave in the proper location.

On the ride back in the funeral home limo we were giggling uncontrollably.  Her husband thought it was in very poor taste.  The limo driver kept remarking on what good sports we were.  Truly, dad almost got away with it.  You just hadda be there!

our dad ever played on us, and it was at his own funeral many years ago.  The guy was a hoot.  Mom had died the year before, so my sister (same Norm Crosby sister) remembered exactly where in the cemetery the double-wide grave was. 

Dad’s procession wound through the grounds – he had a lot of friends, so it was a long parade.  The hearse stopped at the newly prepped grave with the canopy over it.  Our limo pulled up behind it.  My sister said, ‘This is the wrong place.’  Her husband said, ‘Nah, this looks like it.’  I had no recollection.  The pallbearers opened the hearse and started hauling the casket out and my sister made her husband go up and tell them to stop.  This was ALL WRONG.  So, they shoved the casket back in, and closed the doors.  Now you see it.  Now you don’t. 

All the people behind us started to get our of their cars, and mill around.  My sister went up there and now I could see a lot of gesturing and pointing.  She’s pointing way that-a-way and the cemetery crew are shaking their heads and pointing this-a-way.  So there was an intermission while somebody went to the office for a map. 

Now we have the map spread out on the hood of the hearse.  Nobody else in the crowd really knows what’s going on,  and sure enough, wrong grave.  Dad almost got himself interred for eternity next to some other woman.  You’d have to know my dad (and my mom) to get the joke. 

We agreed to have the graveside service there, but then he had to be moved to where the backhoe would shortly be hastily digging the grave in the proper location.

On the ride back in the funeral home limo we were giggling uncontrollably.  Her husband thought it was in very poor taste.  The limo driver kept remarking on what good sports we were.  Truly, dad almost got away with it.  You just hadda be there!

people put together for their first kid.  Video of the delivery.  Baby's handprint and footprint. Lock of hair from Baby's first haircut.  Picture of Baby taking his first step.  First tooth Baby loses, and on and on and on.....

What's the followup plan for the 200th day and the 300th?  I'd like to pencil this on my calendar. 

Reprinted in Boston Globe.  Sorry!

objective views. This is a one-sided publication that asks for donations to keep it going. Nothing I read in there posts anything against any democrats, just republicans. It is not a fair-minded reporting.

I like to read both sides of the aisle but this publication spews hatred for anything not democratic in order to sell books.  To those who can't see both sides, this blog, or publication as they like to state, is just up their aisle. I shake my head at one-sided news. Taken from their web site:

"Indeed, a founding idea of the Consortium for Independent Journalism was that a major investment was needed in journalistic endeavors committed to honestly informing the American people about important events, no matter what the political and economic pressures.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His new book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.' "

article.

And thanks for pointing out all the other "results" of his administration that, as you say, benefit nobody but the rich and/or the corporations or, as he himself once publicly bragged, "his base."

I know for a fact that when he ran for President in 2000, I told every single person I knew that if he becomes President, we're going to go to war with Iraq.  (Nobody's gonna treat his daddy like Saddam did and get away with it.)

I didn't have a crystal ball.  I had common sense and a good memory from the Gulf War when his father was President and how he didn't "finish the job." Seems a lot of other Americans forgot about that.

I really enjoyed reading your post and all the facts you raised that I failed to raise in mine.  Thanks for the mention of the LA Times article.  I'm going to try to look that up on the web.

From your post:

"Did you read Mein Kampf?  Would that be good enough evidence for you, because he wrote about it in there."

Wrote about what?  That the Jews were socialists?

I'm actually feeling sad for you right now gt.  You obviously don't know what Christianity is about.  Pat Robertson does not speak for me, and I don't endorse what he said.  I'm sorry you are so bitter and hate filled that you would wish anyone to burn in hell.  There are some evil people in this world but my first wish for them is that they find Christ and turn from their evil ways with His help.  I too hope one day you find Christ, gt, and quit letting misguided Christians and Christian leaders keep you from HIM.  Their blunders are not worth your eternal soul.

You think there is only one patriot here?  Get a trip on your sour shrivled heart and try not to speak.

Whoops! I made a mistake.  My bad.

This is the post where the NEOCON tells the LIBERAL not to speak ON HER OWN BOARD!

They can't show a post of a liberal telling Army Mom not to speak because it doesn't exist. 

I agree with every single word you said.  America is becoming a very scary place indeed.  I believe, as you do, that there are people who are eagerly awaiting the *Rapture* and indeed believe they have the *inside track* to heaven.  Unfortunately, it look as if this country might actually suffer from their self-fulfilled prophecy if it continues going backwards in time under Bush's completely inept leadership.

Please keep posting.  I really enjoy reading your posts. 

It makes me feel a lot better to hear someone say they're against this.  When express outrage at my posting about the issue, instead of expressing outrage about the issue itself, it truly makes me wonder.

I honestly do not recall any threads on the conservative board about this issue.  All I recall is total silence (or attacks) when the issue is mentioned.

I also wasn't trying to imply that the crime of child molestation is more prevalent in one political party or another.  Obviously, that's irrelevant, and I have a hard time even associating a criminal like that with any political views one way or the other.

It's just that this seems to be a no-brainer, an issue on which virtually everyone can agree, yet the right seems to be eerily quiet when this topic comes up.