Then I expect you to be the first in line for the draft.
Posted By: piglet on 2007-12-04
In Reply to: Rights - nana
Everyone has the right to protect themselves, their beliefs, religion, and country, but it seems that yours takes precedence over everybody elses and you can't seem to bring yourself to that level of understanding.
I don't have a stomach to being lied to and I especially don't stomach flippant remarks about my beliefs, as I have a right to protect them. Hatred is formulated. It has been formulating for years. Love turns to hate. Jealousy turns to hate. Intolerance turns to hate. Just give the right stir, formula 101.
2006 NIE report findings stated the the occupation of Iraq is creating more Islamic radicalism.
"An opening section of the report, “Indicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement,” cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of jihad ideology. The report “says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse,” said one American intelligence official."
Who's wearing the blind fold? Two hates to do make peace or tolerance.
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I just read the draft of the bill on line...
the lenders are getting the bailout all right, but there are provisions in the bill about letting people in foreclosure get "modifications" so they can keep their houses. We are essentially buying the bad mortgages from the lenders, we the taxpayers. And then those folks who got those mortgages they really didn't qualify for and could not afford to begin with...can try to pay it back, which in and of itself is not a bad thing...however, the rub is the "modifications." I don't disagree with modifying the interest rate to the average others are paying...but there is a thing there that says "reduction of loan principal" as one of the options. I think that is going too far. I think they should have to pay back every dime they borrowed no matter how long it takes...becaue of they don't, WE have to. Sigh.
Would expect Obama to take high road. To expect this
One of many issues of valid concern is the fact that Palin would accept this nomination knowing full well (or maybe not) that when the broadcast media get done with this, Bristol's entire life for at least the next 5 years or so, will be red meat for publications like the Enquirer. Judgement. Priorities? The cat's out of the bag now, and I say that with no joy whatsover. In fact, across party lines, left or right, anybody with red blood coursing through beating hearts would stop and for one single moment experience the pain that poor girl must be feeling. Despite this, her mother has put her in the position to put a smiley face on no matter what, or go under the witness protection program, change her name and leave the country. Fair game? Of course not. National spotlight. You bet, and there is no turning back now.
last line of Matthews piece cut off in error. 1 line sm
complained in a letter to his boss that Matthews had shown a pattern of sexism.
Actually, I answered your posts line by line
about not "allowing" you to have an opinion. Those are your words, not mine. This is a good example of how this discussion has escalated from a simple link to this utter squashed bug nonsense. Why are you not able to simply debate the original issue at hand...the Eric Holder appointment? Too much of an intellectual challenge when somebody presents a THIRD-PARTY alternative viewpoint? You are the one who mentioned losing sleep and I remarked that it was probably unnecessary since you were blowing something out of proportion....something you have been doing all afternoon. You takes things WAY too personally.
draft
Yes, there will be a draft, its inevitable, and that urks me to the core. I have a friend who went to Canada to avoid Vietnam and he is still there as a teacher..and believe me, if anyone wants my help in the coming draft, they got it. Using 9/11 as an excuse for this war bugs the crap out of me..I grew up in NYC, the WTC and all of Manhattan and Brooklyn were my stomping grounds..Relatives on my mother's side of the family still live there. I moved to CA with my then husband 20 years ago (going back to NYC hopefully within a year or two) and when 9/11 happened, it tore my heart apart. I wanted so to be there, to put my hands in the dirt of the WTC, to help in any way I could..My cousin who lives in Brooklyn could see the smoke when she looked out over the water, my friends in Wesley Hills and Nyack, NY had debris on their lawns..To use 9/11 for political gain makes me want to vomit..My cousins daughter worked at the WTC for a Japanese bank, she was on floor 42 when 9/11 happened..She got out okay and now works in New Jersey for the same bank..9/11 is sacred and should never be used for political gain..It just shows the character of these creeps..MQ had a worker that was flying back from Massachusetts..She was scheduled for a later flight but the airline told her and her daughter there was an earlier flight. The mother, the MQ worker, decided to take the earlier flight, the daughter remained at the airport. That earlier flight turned out to be the first flight to hit the WTC.
I have not seen a draft yet.
Everyone that is in Iraq joined the military of his/her own free will. Many, after the war started.
Is this what it has come to, a bunch of draft dodging, sm
stay-at-home politicians calling decorated war veterans cowards. They have their nerve.
I have been out of the loop lately with politics, but this tops all.
Draft System To Be Tested...sm
Military Draft System to be Tested
Body: Associated Press | December 22, 2006
WASHINGTON - The Selective Service System is planning a comprehensive test of the military draft machinery, which hasn't been run since 1998.
The agency is not gearing up for a draft, an agency official said Thursday. The test itself would not likely occur until 2009.
Meanwhile, the secretary for Veterans Affairs said that society would benefit if the U.S. were to bring back the draft and that it shouldn't have any loopholes for anyone who is called to serve. VA Secretary Jim Nicholson later issued a statement saying he does not support reinstituting a draft.
The Selective Service readiness exercise would test the system that randomly chooses draftees by birth date and the network of appeals boards that decide how to deal with conscientious objectors and others who want to delay reporting for duty, said Scott Campbell, Selective Service director for operations and chief information officer.
We're kind of like a fire extinguisher. We sit on a shelf until needed, Campbell said. Everyone fears our machine for some reason. Our machine, unless the president and Congress get together and say, 'Turn the machine on' ... we're still on the shelf.
The administration has for years forcefully opposed bringing back the draft, and the White House said Thursday that its position had not changed.
A day earlier, President Bush said he is considering sending more troops to Iraq and has asked Defense Secretary Robert Gates to look into adding more troops to the nearly 1.4 million uniformed personnel on active duty.
According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, increasing the Army by 40,000 troops would cost as much as $2.6 billion the first year and $4 billion after that. Service officials have said the Army wants to increase its force by 20,000 to 30,000 soldiers and the Marine Corps would like 5,000 more troops.
The unpopular war in Iraq, where more than 2,950 American troops have already died, complicates the task of finding more recruits and retaining current troops - to meet its recruitment goals in recent years, the Army has accepted recruits with lower aptitude test scores.
In remarks to reporters in New York, Nicholson recalled his own experience as a company commander in an infantry unit that brought together soldiers of different backgrounds and education levels. He said the draft does bring people from all quarters of our society together in the common purpose of serving.
Rep. Charles Rangel, a New York Democrat who has said minorities and the poor share an unfair burden of the war, plans to introduce a bill next year to reinstate the draft.
House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi has said that reinstating the draft would not be high on the Democratic-led Congress' priority list, and the White House said Thursday that no draft proposal is being considered.
Planning for the Selective Service exercise, called the Area Office Mobilization Prototype Exercise, is slated to begin in June or July of next year for a 2009 test. Campbell said budget cuts could force the agency to cancel the test, which he said should take place every three years but hasn't because of funding constraints.
Hearst Newspapers first reported the planned test for a story sent to its subscribers for weekend use.
The military drafted people during the Civil War and both world wars and between 1948 and 1973. An agency independent of the Defense Department, the Selective Service System was reincorporated in 1980 to maintain a registry of 18-year-old men, but call-ups have not occurred since the Vietnam War.
What do you think?
I do know what the original SS draft looked like....
A great great uncle of mine was a friend of Roosevelt and was a long-time military man. He finally retired and went back to the midwest when Roosevelt called him and asked him to please come back to Washington to draft a plan for SS.
We are fortunate to have this to see and I can guarantee you it had nothing to do with freeloaders and moochers but was to look out for the older crowd. Yes, they were taking into account the average lifespan of a man and then their windows, so she could have money to help feed their children if he died early. This was in part because of the stock market crash where so many lost their life's savings. It was never never meant to be what it has turned into. Wealthy older Americans were not to have this money JUST because they hit a certain age. If they had money, they were not to draw SS, only those with extreme need.
Unfortunately, over the decades government has turned SS into anything but its intended use.
He is registered - but we do not have a draft so it does not matter -
They no longer draft people. To be honest, I think they should though. The military is made up of poor people who feel that is their only option. I bet if we got some of those rich boys in the army putting their butts on the line, then a lot of decisions that are made at this point would be made differently!!!
but we do not have a draft anymore, so it does not matter!
On Jan. 27, 1973, Secretary of Defense Melvin R. Laird announced the creation of an all-volunteer armed forces, negating the need for the military draft.
Draft Dodger Cheney attacks War Hero
The words President Murtha are sounding pretty good!
DERRICK Z. JACKSON
White House plays chicken with a war hero
By Derrick Z. Jackson | November 19, 2005
THE WHITE House is so deluded, it actually believes it can turn a soaring hawk into a scrounging chicken. Stung by the call by US Representative John Murtha of Pennsylvania to pull out of Iraq, Scott McClellan, President Bush's press secretary, said this week, ''It is baffling that he is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic Party.
Talk about playing the chicken-hawk card. A White House where most of the architects of war avoided combat in their own lives dared to associate two people who are worlds apart in world views. Moore made the anti-Bush ''Fahrenheit 9/11, which infuriated the right wing by breaking box office records for a documentary film. Moore was booed at the 2004 Republican National Convention.
Murtha is the 73-year-old recipient of two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star for combat duty in Vietnam. He is a Democrat whose three decades in office are marked by support of President Reagan's policies in Nicaragua and El Salvador. Murtha was a top Democratic supporter of the 1991 Gulf War. He wants a constitutional ban on burning the American flag.
In a 2002 press briefing, former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz termed the support of politicians like Murtha for the Pentagon as ''wonderful. In the 2004 vice presidential debate, incumbent Dick Cheney said, ''One of my strongest allies in Congress when I was secretary of defense was Jack Murtha.
For all those shows of patriotism, Murtha was skeptical about the rush to invade Iraq in 2003 of Iraq even though he voted to give President Bush the authorization to go to war. He publicly said Bush beat the war drums before building an international coalition. Murtha said he had not seen anything in intelligence reports that indicated an imminent threat. Murtha said Bush ''has put the country in such a box. He can say, 'You'll undercut me if you don't vote for this resolution.'
One month after the invasion, when no weapons of mass destruction had yet been found, Murtha warned that American credibility was at risk. By the September, the absence of weapons of mass destruction made him join the much more liberal House minority leader, Nancy Pelosi, in calling for Bush to fire the planners of the invasion. Despite the proclamation that ''we achieved a marvelous military victory, Murtha became increasingly frustrated with the chaos of the occupation. This summer, Murtha said administration officials were ''not honest in their assessment that they were winning the ongoing battle.
Finally, this week, Murtha unleased a scathing attack on Bush's Iraq policy. He called it ''a flawed policy wrapped in illusion. He said he believed military officials when he visited Kuwait just before the war and they showed him where American forces would be attacked by weapons of mass destruction when they approach Baghdad. But now, with no end to the killing in sight, he said, ''The US cannot accomplish anything further in Iraq militarily. It's time to bring the troops home. . .They have become the enemy.
Murtha talked about soldier after soldier he has visited in hospitals, wounded and maimed by the invasion. Yet, there's more terrorism now than there ever was and it's because of what? Is it because of our policy? I would say it's a big part.
In perhaps the most humble admission of his press conference, Murtha said, ''The American public is way ahead of the members of Congress.
This came the day after Cheney threw mud in the direction of critics who gave Bush his war authorization. Cheney accused them of making ''irresponsible comments. He accused them issuing ''cynical and pernicious falsehoods to make ''a play for political advantage.
He said, ''The President and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing their memory -- or their backbone.
This was the same Cheney who gave us some of the greatest falsehoods of this generation with ''There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction . . . We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons, and that we would be ''welcomed as liberators.
Murtha clobbered Cheney's words the next day, saying, ''I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done.
This hawk still soars, above the scrounging chicken hawks.
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McCain should draft Tammy to cover all his bases.
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Obama has already said he is in favor of draft - see link inside
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/obam-s13_prn.shtml
BTW, no the actual sneak in the draft registration thing
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also, courts ruled the draft was not forced servitude in Butler v. Perry. nm
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I don't expect anything
You don't have to believe anything, and you don't have to sit down and shut up, but please do not spin people of faith as weirdos and engage tongue-in-cheek about their beliefs. Again, you don't have to believe, but you don't have to belittle either.
I can't tell you how to act I can only request.
Well, what would you expect them to say?
Do you really want them to attract attention to ijits out there who would make good on the threat? Sometimes the "truth" isn't just exactly the best thing to circulate. I heard the yell myself and there was absolutely no doubt in my mind whatsoever what was said. It reminded me that there are too many nut jobs running around loose out there and all of this Barrack HUSSAIN Obama stuff is just fueling the fire. I hope all of you who are badmouthing him without any documentation whatsoever will be happy if the unthinkable actually happens knowing you had a part in riling up the nuts.
He's about what one would expect
for someone who was at the bottom of his class and ran everything he came in contact with into the ground. Typical spoiled rich brat completely sans brains.
I would certainly expect him to do that
FOR SURE. I would expect anyone, especially someone proclaiming to be a Christian, to deny this fact emphatically.
I expect s/m
they won't turn their attention to anything until and if they can get another Republican in the White House. I've been gone all day and really hoped by now the RABID republicans would have given it up. Looks like they could give him a little more than 24 hours to see what he's going to do. I hope ALL Republicans aren't like some of you people on this board.
I expect more but I know he won't
give me enough to pay off my mortgage or feed my family for 4 years, so I'll just hope for the gas money and the flat screen TV.
What do you expect
M-snot-NBC and Wall Street Journal. C'mon big bad, you should know better.
Those two "rags"(rags referring to gossip/smear tabloids) are so hateful to anyone not liberal, and gleefully aimed to destroy her from the beginning.
I take nothing they have to say with any ounce of truth.
Really, now tell me, what does anyone expect out of Fox except
as much garbage as they can get out. They have done it all election. Totally against Obama. I would faint out cold if they said anything good about either 1 of them. They are called "faux news" by the way. I think she looks terrible, small waist, great choice of a dress for her. CNN is calling her sexy and saying no one has had this since Jacqueline Kennedy. Imagine!! Go back and watch "faux" - I learned long time ago just, as my husband said, negativity there.
Well.....I would expect you to know about gas....
that being said, I guess you missed the part about I am not a Republican? What is more important? Fixing the economy or pig poop? Think the pig poop could wait a year? I do. Talk about your ridiculous statements. Here awhile back the EPA deemed, after millions upon millions, that cows belched too much gas into the atmosphere too. Yep, we know that now. Also deemed there was nothing we could do about it. So millions later, cows still belch and pigs will still poop...GET THE PICTURE? lol You folks kill me!!
I don't expect you to get it! sm
Obama is gonna get us in a bigger war while he sits on HIS BUTT spending money he doesn't have, appearing on talk shows trying to be some kind of "hollywood celebrity president". While he is acting like some kind of "god", terrorist countries are sitting there lauging at us and plotting how they can attack now. I am wasting my time even typing this I know because HIS supporters are not gonna listen and they will be screaming and crying when it all hits the fan!
What do you really expect him to say?
He can't given away any plans that we might have in getting the hostage back because we wouldn't want that information getting to the pirates. All he can really say at this point is that we will do everything we can to get the captain back safely. It probably is a good thing he isn't commenting on this.
Exactly. It was a KID. What do you expect
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Did you expect the
Saudi King to give Obama an iPod with show tunes or DVDs that won't work in our DVD players? LOL!
Well, he was a Democrat. What would you expect?
Johnson didn't have a haves, have-more, elite base like Bush bragged about having. He just cared about normal everyday people. How I miss those days. 
I certainly didn't expect
I remember when I believed that about my country...innocent until proven guilty....alas, if only it were true! Have you ever heard of Japanese interment camps during WWII? Today, it's Guantanamo; talk to McCain about the ban of torture.
As for your poll numbers, I have some too:
http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Stories.aspx?America%20turns%20on%20Bush%20as%20all%20the%20president%E2%80%99s%20staff%20face%20integrity%20test&StoryID=E6B6DD59-E863-47B6-B714-3B8B037609F7&SectionID=BA48E3D7-CCB9-4976-883F-EE19F9206FB3America turns on Bush as all the president’s staff face integrity test
By : Jonathan Kennedy in Boston October 30, 2005
LESS than a year after George Bush’s re-election, the much vaunted “political capital” he was supposed to have won last November has all been spent, if not squandered.
For a president who came to office with great ambitions to change the US, he has little to show for his first five years in office, apart from a foreign policy that is in chaos, a massive and wasteful increase in public spending and a few modest tax cuts. Already crippled by allegations of corruption and nepotism, seemingly interminable bloodshed in Iraq, and a woefully uninspired response to Hurricane Katrina, President Bush was delivered two more hammer blows last week.
Harriet Miers, formerly Bush’s personal lawyer and chief of staff for policy, was forced on Thursday to withdraw her name from consideration for the Supreme Court nomination after massive opposition from the president’s core conservative base. Miers was attacked from both sides of the aisle for her lack of experience in constitutional law and her uncomfortably close personal relationship with the president. Ultimately, however, the failure of her bid can be attributed to a lack of support from America’s conservative movement, who were looking for a candidate with a more transparently strong voting record on conservative issues, especially on abortion. But Friday’s grand jury indictment of
I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and a continuing investigation into Karl Rove, Bush’s top political adviser, could prove to be the straw that breaks the back of the Bush administration and relegates it to lame duck status. Libby, Vice-President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, and Rove are under scrutiny for their alleged role in the outing of CIA officer Valerie Plame, a move that detractors believe was a politically motivated smear tactic. Rove, among other Bush administration officials, is implicated in what has become a spectacularly intricate alleged conspiracy against Plame’s husband, retired ambassador Joseph C. Wilson. Plame’s cover was allegedly broken in retaliation for her husband’s vocal opposition to the Iraq war. Although this sounds esoteric, it is seen to be a serious matter in Washington.
Of particular interest will be Libby’s role in the affair. The prominent administration insider was implicated when New York Times reporter Judith Miller revealed Libby as a source after spending nearly three months in jail for her initial refusal to betray his confidence. Libby’s indictment for perjury and his close connection with Cheney, and thus Bush, is raising questions that most Republicans don’t want to answer with mid-term elections looming next November.
According to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released on Tuesday, nine out of 10 Americans believe that Bush officials did something illegal or unethical; bad news for an administration that campaigned on the promise to “restore integrity” to the Oval Office. The incident is under an independent investigation led by US attorney and acting special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, a registered independent who cut his teeth prosecuting mob bosses in New York. The ex-attorney for Northern Illinois is considered by most in Washington as non-partisan, if not overzealous in his strict interpretation of the law.
The consensus among legal experts and insiders on Capitol Hill is that the president himself is safe from any legal repercussions. But he will not come out unscathed. The political ramifications stand to be far more damaging, not only for the president, but for his party. In another CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, it was revealed that were an election held immediately between President Bush and any Democrat, the unnamed democratic contender would win in a 55% to 39% landslide. The same poll revealed that the Democrats are ahead on almost all the issues for the first time in recent memory. This includes health care (59% to 30%), social security (56% to 33%) the economy (50% to 38%), and the Iraq war (46% to 40%). The only issue on which the American public still trusts President Bush’s party is terrorism, the Republicans still enjoying a sizeable 53% to 29% lead.
With American deaths in Iraq above the psychologically important 2,000 mark, an erosion in support from his base, the press smelling blood over the Plame Affair, and his domestic agenda in tatters, last week was undoubtedly President Bush’s worst since entering public life.
What else would one expect from a classless hag?
What do you expect from a liar?
He's been caught lying through his teeth so what else is there to do but lie? He seems to get by with that easily......
http://www.infowars.com/?p=6463
What would you expect him to say, now that they have gone belly up?
And those bonus-seekers and lobbyists et all...Democrats. This is your Enron. Enjoy.
Certainly you don't expect an answer?
This is what happens when those that have nothing to believe in go after those that do. Most don't believe there is anything greater than themselves.
It is sad really but remember, we will continue to love and pray for those to come to Christ. This is not said with arrogance in the least.....just love.
I expect a replay either way.
And there should be, especially if McCain wins.
Thanks! I don't expect everybody to agree with me. That's
why America is so good. We do have the freedom to vote as we choose. 
Don't expect more than a big, long DUH just like the one
you are getting from you other legitimate and quite pertient question about centrist vs right-wing platform. They are too busy conjuring up verbal assassinations against Obama to stop long enough to ponder anything else. Hope somebody steps up to prove me wrong. I have my own ideas about the party orientation, but being an unAmerica, socialist, Marxist, commie Muslim loving deadbeat I thought I should give them first crack at it.
What do you expect from an illegal? (sm)
He's probably trying to get McCain to lend him his birth certificate.
I don't expect you to "get it."...(nm)
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I wouldn't expect you not to agree with B. That's nothing new.
But, thanks for explaining it to me.
What do you expect? You just come to antagonize not discuss.
Well, if I said I wouldn't be and I didn't, then why did you expect me to? sm
I am confused here. I will say that as far as your assertion that you were attacked by Kfir, I would say there was an equal amount of enmity on both sides. The only difference is, your entire life and country at this very moment are not about to be blown to smithereens. It might help to put that in a relative light.
Lurker, isn't that the response you would expect?
Did you think that those folks would behave as adults? They are bullying children, after all. You were set up to be mocked and chastised.
I do have to say, though, that your posts for the most part have been an eloquent and ethical plea for a more humane world. I would think that anyone, no matter their personal ideology, would have been moved, even inspired, to ponder a different manner of viewing our world and our role in it.
This all reminds me of trying to argue/debate with my mother who was a borderline personality (a mental disorder). It's hopeless. You cannot have a straightforward discussion/debate/argument with someone for whom the bounds of reality are constantly shifting as their logic will never be grounded in sane reasoning.
Why do you always expect the worst? You call sm
yourself an independant and I have not seen anything to convince me that is true. You spew such venom toward anything that the democrats do and keep repeating false information that you have heard somewhere, probably FOX news, I could be wrong, without ever investigating to any depth yourself to see if it is 100% true or not. Spin doctors spin in both parties, I think you need to recognize this and think and investigate for yourself if you truly consider yourself an independent.
What did you expect from Deepak Chopra?? nm
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His dad named his kid Daxx, what do you expect? nm
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Don't expect any answers from O lovers on this
If Obama hasn't told them, they wouldn't know....they need him to think for them. He won't even give the amount needed to run his social programs, let alone all the other pie in the sky stuff he wants to do, stuff they do in socialist countries where everyone pays through the nose more than us and the government takes care of all of them, like Obama wants to do, take care of all of us while he screws us all over.
Most of those "plans" he has would put so many businesses out of business it is scary to even think about it. All this stuff he wants mandated...well, if small businesses have to enact that garbage, they will go under. Not the rich! The very middle-class he seems to have convinced this O lovers on this board he wants to take care of.
My Lord, what do you expect from the Democratic rag, the
Washington Post? Give me a break and the rest of us here. Why don't you read some real new for a change?
Did you know that just a tiny bit of arsenic can make you deathly ill?
I would expect that kind of answer from you....
but just so ya know...being a nonbeliever doesn't mean you won't face him one day like the believers, if we are right and you are wrong. I you are right, we're all just dead and part of the ecosystem. But if we're right... :)
If he was in a Fox interview, I wouldn't expect him to be.
Panthers don't scare me. Hannity, on the other hand....
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