My quick explanations of my comments --
Posted By: Amanda on 2008-11-24
In Reply to: okay, you obviously did not read the article - Just me
I did not blindly follow Obama. I did not vote for Obama because he is black. Actually, my vote may have been more of a vote against McCain than for Obama.
Next, to the points that I can address quickly - he is now not going to raise taxes on the "rich" because of the current economic condition, but that he is still intending on giving tax breaks to the middle class families.
He also said during the campaign that he is going to bring the troops home, but it has to be in a safe manner. You cannot just say that they are pulling out on a certain day - that would be crazy and extremely dangerous for our soldiers. It has to be arranged. He had a timeline in the beginning - people just jumped on what he said and took things out of context and listen to what words they want to hear, not every word.
I for one will support him as long as he is doing a good job and then I will be the first to stand up and say I should not have voted for him if things go bad. And the whole point of sending them to other countries, we all agreed in the beginning that we need to get Osama Bin Laden, so why not do it now? I think he needs to be gone and I think we need to do whatever it takes to get him. I, however, think that Obama's point of view is the same as mine, we should not be in Iraq wasting our time when that is not where the problem is...
When I say "love him or hate him", I mean that nobody is lukewarm for his policies. It seems as if everyone is either gungho behind him or gungho against him. That has been proven time and time again just on this board, not to mention other places out in public that I have been. The people who are for him are for him and the people that area against him cannot be objective to sit down and listen to his whole speech or his whole idea.
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I just quick read this but
it seems these were Saddam henchmen not *9/11 perps* as was claimed above unless you all are finally conceding that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
However, I agree that these people shouldn't just walk free. If they are connected in any way with Saddam and/Al Queda/Hamas or any known terror cell they should never see light of day again be it in the depths of a prison or from their graves.
Just one quick question...
where is the iota of value in this post? And, as it has been explained on numerous occasions, we are allowed to cross-post. Liberals also post on the conservative board. I asked a simple question of a liberal poster and was rewarded first with condescending comments alluding to the superior intellect of the liberal poster, and rewarded second with accusations that I was a cliche (my native american heritage). And after all that....refused to answer my question. I suspect because the posterior was incapable of doing so. Perhaps you can explain to me why many liberal posters post something, and when you ask them a question about it and they cannot, the resort to condescending and hateful comments. Talk about not having one iota of value in a post other than to talk down to someone asking a simple question. Wouldn't the best thing to do be just not answer the post at all? Don't understand the defensiveness. All that tells me is that they are not secure in what they believe and without talking points to refer to are lost as a goose. That is not an accusation...it is an observation.
Just another quick observation...
when Clinton came to OKC after the Murrah bombing, even though he is not anywhere on my list of favorite people, I was happy that he came and represented the office and spoke to we Oklahomans. It was moving and I was very, very happy that he came. What I did NOT do, and what NO conservative I was aware of did, was complain that why did he come there and NOT go to the funerals of those soldiers who were killed and their bodies dragged behind Jeeps in Somalia. Why, you ask? Because the two had absolutely NOTHING to do with each other. And to try to make political hay out of what happened at Virginia Tech is immature, thoughtless, and another hurt to add to those poor folks in VA trying to deal with this. War is awful, hateful, and NOBODY wants it; however, death has always been associated with war. However, going to your class innocently on any April day and having a lunatic come in and shoot 32 of you is FAR different. And if you really cannot see the difference and the emotional effect, not just you but a great many on the left, need to really sit down and examine your values. Seriously.
Quick question for you
How can McCain vote with Bush 90% of the time when Bush does not have a vote in the senate? Also, a lot of the votes in the senate are unanimous so that means that democrats are voting "with Bush" too. Please research these things by looking at actual voting records of folks instead of believing whatever the media says, left or right.
Quick definition..sm
Marxist-Socialist
A philosophy-turned-governmental-ideology, usually mistaken for Stalinist/Leninist-Communist. This philosophy, although greatly misunderstood, is nothing more that the belief that the strong, the capable, and the powerful should support those too weak to support themselves. This philosophy, created by Karl Marx, was meant to be the fundamental building block for a utopian society, but was later taken up by a man named Lenin, who twisted and warped the pure isea of Socialism and turned it into Leninist-Communism. Later adopted by Joseph Stalin, who made the idea of Socialism a cruel cycle of death, hatred, and intolerence.
Quick question
I can't believe that I am going to get involved in this, but I have to stand up for the truth..
1 Peter 3:15 "but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence".
What do you think makes you a Christian, bcuz you were baptized? Never in scripture does it say to be a Chrisitan you have to be baptized. Being baptized is the outward sign that you are a christian. It is all based on believing in Jesus who died on the cross for your sins. John 3:16; John 3:36; John 6:40; John 6:47 the list could go on.
Women Deacons:
God never once said deacons were to be women. It is talked about in 1 Timothy 3:8-13. However, you need to read the scripture in contexts, bcuz this is where a lot of people think when he says "wife" he is saying "deaconess",however, this is not the case. You need to take the words back to the original language to understand their true meaning. Also if you search out 1 corinth 14:34 and 1 Timothy 2:12. If you have a lexacon, I suggest using it, and if not buy one.
For homosexuality:
Sin is sin, all sin is equal to death (Rom. 6:23)unless you have trusted the Father. Once you have trusted the Father then you also have the Holy Spirit housed in you. With the Holy Spirit, you will feel convicted over your sins and ask for forgiveness. This does not mean that you will never sin for all sin. There is none righteous, not even one (Rom. 3:10). However, if you ask for forgiveness it will be granted to you (1 John 1:9).
This does not mean that homosexuality is right. This was never what God intended. (1 Corinth 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10) Just a few passages.
I do not hate homosexuals, as hate would be a sin in God's eyes. However, we need to love them and show them that God loves them too. If they would trust in God, he would forgive them and help them to turn away from their sin.
Tithing:
Tithing is an old testament law. Once Jesus' blood was shed on the cross that was our payment of sin and no longer holds us under the law of the old testament. However, this is one law that churches like to hold onto. If you practice this law of the old testament, then you know that it is not only 10% of your earnings, but 10% of everyhing in your possession.
Pro choice:
As you stated this is everywhere in the bible. God never wanted abortion. All children are His children. Refer to the Ten Commandments, "Thou shall not commit murder". This is all over in the bible.
As a professing Christian, I hope that you brush up on what scripture teaches us. You are hurting the Christian race by blasphemying Christ; going against His word. (Matt 12:31) We need to keeps God Commandments (John 14:15;). I could go on.
As for things are different today then they were back then, read Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever".
True Christian's beliefs should not be different. There is only one bible (different translations), but if you studied it and researched it back to its original language, you would know that "religion" does not make us Christians, believing His word does.
I am not trying to bash you, I am merely trying to help you.
I attend a free grace church. If you or anyone wants to learn more you may email me and I will give you the church website. We have free sermons to download and listen to.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life".
Sad that some Americans always want a quick
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Unbelievable is all I can say, Everyone so quick to...sm
believe and condem. Does not anyone know that what you read on the internet is not gospel? I have not heard a thing on the national news, so I will wait and see.
Why are you so quick to discount this but you
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Way too quick to judge!
I was simply passing on a story, like the OP. I'm not Republican because my dad is. I'm a conservative and if those beliefs happen to go along with the Dem candidate, then that's who I'll vote for. The story was meant to show how people's idea of "spreading the wealth" can sound like a really good idea - everyone haveing an equal share - but when you get down to it, it goes against everything our country was founded on. The American Dream - come sign up to get your welfare check! No thanks!!!
Quick question.
Did they know Rock Hudson was gay back then? I didn't realize that was public knowledge back then. I thought that came out later.
I still say that teaching children tolerance of others different than they are is one thing. Teaching acceptance of such a controversial topic is another story.
As for not teaching 5 year olds...what was with the story about the same-sex penguins who raised a baby penguin together? If that isn't teaching kindergartners about homosexuality...well then I don't know what is.
Tolerance can be taught without teaching acceptance of homosexuality in public schools. Besides, since homosexuality is much more out there than it was when I was in school, you would think kids would be used to having them in their schools anyway. I keep hearing about how same sex marriage is more acceptable especially by younger people and yet here you are telling us that homosexuality acceptance should be taught in public schools because it isn't accepted by young people. So which is it?
That was quick. Sorry I missed (*%*'s MySpace.
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how about a quick tubal ligation
dontcha think?
Don't be so quick to bash Bush.... sm
This is near the bottom of the article I posted. Maybe you just missed it.
"To gain access to the emergency loans, GM and Chrysler must also agree to a wide range of concessions, including limits on executive pay and the elimination of their private corporate jets. "
Everyone put it on Bush's shoulders to do some thing about this and now that he has, still he gets bashed. He's not my favorite president by far, but I think he should be afforded some kind of recognition for doing something to help the economy. As far as pay cuts for the UAW, the article says that they will have to bring their wages more in line with those of foreign auto makers, which is still a danged good salary. Would the UAW rather have a pay check or be completely unemployed? That is pretty much what it all boils down to. I wouldn't particular want to take a pay cut either, but in light of the situation and the current economic picture, I think I would thank my lucky stars that I at least would HAVE a jo
Like the old saying goes "You can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time."
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Wow, you sure are quick! BTW...love grapes! nm
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Someone help me quick, I think I am turning Republican!!!!.......psm
Okay, lifelong Dem, coming from a family of generations of lifelong Dems, loving my country and always supporting my party......I have been watching C-Span for many, many hours over the past few days....while I believe we have to save our economy (and our people) very quickly, with prudence and accountability, the pork grease that I see dripping off this bill, despite its good points, is making me ill. Please, will some of the Democratic leaders cut the pork, cut the BULL, get down to the necessary and proven, INSURE AND GUARANTEE accountability in every area of this bill, and put my faith back????? Wow, this Bill is starting to stink more than my Grandfather's dairy farm on a hot summer day, and for the same reason, lots of bull $h*t. Help??? I like blue so much better! 
Someone help me quick, I think I am turning Republican!!!!.......psm
Okay, lifelong Dem, coming from a family of generations of lifelong Dems, loving my country and always supporting my party......I have been watching C-Span for many, many hours over the past few days....while I believe we have to save our economy (and our people) very quickly, with prudence and accountability, the pork grease that I see dripping off this bill, despite its good points, is making me ill. Please, will some of the Democratic leaders cut the pork, cut the BULL, get down to the necessary and proven, INSURE AND GUARANTEE accountability in every area of this bill, and put my faith back????? Wow, this Bill is starting to stink more than my Grandfather's dairy farm on a hot summer day, and for the same reason, lots of bull $h*t. Help??? I like blue so much better!
A quick look at this board shows...
me exactly where they are. 
After a quick scan of the board...
...I respectfully and totally disagree.
Quick - can you see this author's logical
Whether someone says "You shouldn't be able to do in your bedroom" or someone says "You should be able to do in your bedroom", it's just opposite sides of the same thing, i.e. someone offering an opinion about your bedroom activities. Whether it's "may" or "may not" doesn't change the fundamental character of the statement.
Got brain?
Quick b4 they melt. She thinks global
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quick get out your remote lie detector tester
and tell us all from your isolated, secret location what is true and what is not.
Here, hold up a mirror, real quick....you just described...sm
how almost every liberal on this board holds their fellow members, you know, the ones so cherishingly called "repugs" and "rabid pubs."
You sound a lot like Ann right then....in reverse.
So predictable.
Quick to judge, aren't you? At least you apologized....
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Quick question about the "sex" marriage thing...
So, if married MEANS you can if you want have children, what if I married a man who was NOT ABLE to have children and I knew this. Could I still marry him? Would we be considered "married" in the eyes of others since we could not have children? Or a woman unable to have children, should she be able to be married? Just a thought!
Quick question about the "sex" marriage thing...
So, if married MEANS you can if you want have children, what if I married a man who was NOT ABLE to have children and I knew this. Could I still marry him? Would we be considered "married" in the eyes of others since we could not have children? Or a woman unable to have children, should she be able to be married? Just a thought!
Quick! Someone call the pound. AG's pit bull broke loose from
We can't be quick enough. You've seen how they're passing enormous bills -
- that they don't even read within a matter of hours. First the stimulus, then the tax bill on executive bonuses, etc.
Meanwhile, it's taken them over six months to investigate some very straightforward charges against Charlie Rangel.
CORRUPT!
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PK, I agree with some things you say, certainly not all, but you talk about the righer Bush goes the lefter you go. My question is this, do you think it's healthy to let ONE PERSON change your whole ideology? I think that's way too much influence for one person to have on your life. I don't think it's healthy. You are most likely a wonderful person, but like many on the left you have let the fear of Bush really cloud your view. I don't think he's the greatest president we have ever had, but he's certainly on the scoundrel that you and others here make him out to be. I think the problem with leftward thinking as a whole is that it basically says I, as an upper middle-class taxpayer, have to take care of everyone's woes even if their woes are self-inflicted, criminally obtained, or the result of being just plain lazy. Really, in the end when I stand before God I'm only going to have to answer for myself. I do give to others, so I'm not a selfish hog, but I don't think its right for the government to tell me I have to take care of someone else who is capable taking care of themselves. I'm for helping the truly downtrodden, incapacitated, and mentally disabled, but social programs as a whole are sham and downright theft. I don't want that for Iraq or America. I think it's far time that Americans start taking responsibility for themselves and get over the victim mentality and expecting the nanny state to do everything for us.
Anyway, your post was enlightening, and really the first non-angry post I've ever read from you.
Comments
Didn't realize it was a nasty attack, thought I was addressing a point you made about videos being truth and the written word not the truth. Thinking back on the history of propanda films in this country as well as others I disagreed and was trying to use logic.....and some humor.
As far as cut and paste, unless the board administrator says we can no longer do this I will probably continue to do it on the LIBERAL board, especially if it provides documentation for a point I am trying to make. Researchers and newspapers do it often. That said, here's another cut and paste quote, but don't know who said it:
The US has become the new Webster's definition of irony: Even though most Americans, most American lawmakers, and most American military commanders had long protested the usefulness of their presence in Iraq, ironically they still considered their own government a democracy.
This reminds me of Cheney commenting that basically he didn't care what the American people thought of the war or what they wanted. I thought we were supposed to be his boss.....
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You proved my point right here.
"As far as the "man on the street" interviews, it's obvious there are a lot of people in the United States who are ill informed and/or just ignorant, to the point it would be funny if it weren't so tragic. Otherwise, they would have known Obama's views on choice and Iraq..."
These are the very people who put Obama in office. These are the people who saw a charismatic young leader, just as the uninformed or misled people in other countries who do not know our issues and/or who have only been allowed to see what their governments want them to see on television.
I don't think France feels too "friendly" towards America/Bush right now, and it hasn't been too long ago that Mexico was rising up stating that Texas was still theirs and they planned on taking it back.
I do enjoy a good debate and hope that you or anyone else takes what I say here personally. I think we all have America's best interests at heart based on our own opinions but just come at it from different backgrounds/situations. Have a blessed day!
Most of these comments.......
are just about 5 years old or older.......Saddam lived in a dangerous neighborhood, I'm sure he wanted his neighbors to think he had truckloads of weapons. BUT, when the CIA could find no evidence of WMDs - their information was quashed and our govt outed a CIA agent in retribution (Valerie Plame) which is treason. It took years for the real truth of the matter to come to light........maybe that's why Clinton didn't rush on in there and hang Saddam......Iraq had nothing to do with 911 - now look at the cluster in Afghanistan that got left to simmer in the meantime.............sheesh......I blame Bush - it wasn't about WMDs (or they wouldn't have hidden the fact there were none) - it was about OIL.
Here are some comments about this
Some comments I read are:
"It can’t be understated what an insult this is to the American People, Sovereign (whether any individual Citizen understands this, flees from the responsibility for this or would change this) over their nation and its government. It is a betrayal, and may, indeed, be treasonous.
It is appropriate that Obama has, in bowing to a foreign potentate in this picture, shown his @ss to the American People; an act that would have been a capital offense had his position been reversed. It would have been inappropriate for him to genuflect before the British monarch, no matter how many neo-Tories there may be among us.
This particular potentate has, among his titles, acknowledgment of his status as keeper of the Holy Places of Islam, and thus singling out Abdullah of the Saudis for such a sign of respect should disturb, deeply, any American left who understands the United States and its history.
It strains credibility to believe someone representing State didn’t tell Obama what constituted a proper stance. He much have overruled that advice, and singled out this particular potentate for this gesture."
Another poster wrote -
I’ve read elsewhere that some people attempt to rationalize this bow-to-the-Saudi-King by Barack Obama as Obama somehow participating in “another country’s protocol” — which is rubbish given the Office that Barack Obama holds (the President of the United States of America bows to no other country, no ruler, to no one — this represents our nation, the U.S.A., as a sovereign nation subservient to no one else, no ruler, no other nation, our nation as a republic unto itself).
These were quotes taken from the second link down on this website.
http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/aggregator.php?sid=1121
mccaffrey comments
Then we have General (or whatever his designation) Barry McCaffrey stating we should send our sons and daughters to war cause the country needs them..On Countdown with Olbermann, he stated the govt must ask the people to send their sons and daughters..I have an answer for him..NO, not my son, not my daughter..I could see if this was a legitimate war (are any wars really truly legitimate..cant we resolve our crises without murder and mayhem..geez) but the Iraq war?? Heck no..never..Bush, you and your idiotic murderous administration got us into this, send your daughters to Iraq.
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Your neocon party rhetoric is disturbing.
Politician comments
This is one thread I can't help posting to. First, I want to say that I absolutely hate the new p.c. term "clearly." Clearly this, clearly that from news anchors, talk show hosts, you name it.
As for the comment by Michelle Obama, if she is proud of her country "for the first time" then she's running a little late in my opinion. I've been a Democrat all my life but no more. The color of the candidate's skin has nothing whatsoever to do with anything, I don't care if he is pea green with orange stripes. Obama scares the bejeezers out of me!! Read about him and listen to him and learn. I'll not be voting for him. I would not have voted for Hillary. Why? Doesn't matter if she's a woman or not. I have no respect for her. I certainly don't admire her for standing by her man.
As for McCain, his stupid comment I think speaks for itself and doesn't show a lot of intelligence. Secondly, he is too old. While I admire his military service, I think if we like the condition of our country now, we'll enjoy more of the same and worse under his leadership.
Listen to both politicians. They both want to give amnesty to illegal aliens and I am dead set against it. Reagan (and I'm no fan of his either) tried that and now we have at least twice as many to deal with as we did then. It is purely political, get the votes whereever they can.
Then there's the matter of our country being sold off to foreign investors one piece at a time and the huge national debt to China. What happens when they call in their mortgage? Will they demand, California, Texas and maybe Alaska or will they just take over the whole danged country?
As for voting in this election????? I probably will just stay home for the first time since I've been old enough to vote. We don't even have a candidate to vote for that is the lesser of the evils in my opinion. I think the last good leader we had was Harry Truman, "walk softly and carry a big stick."
Exactly! I see no comments from the Pubs.
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So did you have any intelligent comments about what you saw...
Or were you just posting to spew your schtick?
Yeah, we get it. You don't like conservatives.
Was that your point? Because that's old news and adds nothing to the convo.
And the comments toward Elizabeth...
Hasselbeck weren't rude??
With these comments - see message
I would rate you no different than Rush Limbaugh. He's such a pig, and your comment about what she wore shows me you have no idea of any of the substance of her debate.
The only thing you have correct is that she smiled and she looked sharp. Very much Vice Presidential. Play back the tape and you will not see one wink or smirk.
Biden on the other hand. He seems so uncomfortable the look on his face was so painful almost like he had hemorrhoids or a severe case of intestinal gas. Everytime she came back with a fact he had a blank look on his face and then he'd say something and snap his head towards her as if he thought he could intimidate her. She was intelligent enough not to take the bait and she does not get intimidated. Good for her! She showed me she can stand up to anyone.
Biden told at least 10 lies tonight. Wonder how he's going to explain that away (I'm sure he will find a way).
Gov. Palin was described as brilliant, and had a level of skill we haven't seen since President Regan. They said she explained things so articulately and in a fashion everyone understood.
What she has shown me tonight is she understands the economy and how to get things done and she and John McCain will be fighting for us. Not more of the same with O'No/Biden.
Her comments are not hateful, considering
the general consensus is that Palin has hurt McCain more than his connection to Bush. By the way, MrsM never said she hated Palin, but she obviously has a strong opinion about her, and MrsM did not personally attack by namecalling anyone else on here for their opinion. And yet another example of twisting someone's words to suit their own agenda. McPalin has taught you well, Grasshopper.
Same comments made over and over
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Your comments are expected, ...the next
poster was correct...useless to talk to any Obama supporter sometimes at all. Why should I type out ad nauseum all of Obama's statements, when you don't remember them at all, and them blame me for "obviously not remembering." cheap shot, yet again.
You should really listen to Rush sometime. You might learn something and expand your mind. But wait, liberals think with their hearts, not their minds.
Cancel that. Just carry on with your own, bigoted opinions.
I would like to hear some comments
members of the 9/11 victims on this issue.
This is exactly the type of comments we don't need.
Discuss issues but don't post snide remarks. Simple as that. Worship has no place on this board.
Try following the trail of comments you are
Your ignorance is showing. If you notice the SUBJECT line I was responding to, you would understand. Try reading EVERYTHING before you spout off. You make yourself look very foolish.
Thanks. Here are just a couple comments
It is true. People can disagree without getting nasty. I think everyone gets in a dander when they feel they are being attacked for their beliefs/opinions.
I did vote for him and fully supported him while he was running against Hillary. All I knew was (to me) she was one of the worst people to run for office. She had no clue, road on the coattails of her husband. Everything good he did she claimed it as hers, but everything bad he did she had nothing to do with. Her lies were so blatant and then when she came out and told the public the reason she was staying in (in case something (too horrible to mention) happened to Obama, she'd be right there and even brought up JFK's name (or maybe it was RFK - one of the Kennedy's)). I just thought that was the worst worst worst ever. She may have been thinking and hoping for it but to actually say it just truly made me realize how much more I disliked her and the thought of her getting in literally made me nauseous. I also voted for Obama in the primaries because I said enough of the Clintons, they destroyed what little faith I had in the democratic party back then (I voted for Bill the first time but not the second) and all their crooked deals and illegal doings going on while they were in there, there was no way in you know where I wanted any of that crowd back (who knew Obama was going to bring them all back - Arrrrggggg - that's my word of frustration). After the primary's ended I started reading and hearing more and more about Obama's plans and speeches, etc. I thought to myself, well listening to his voice give speeches would be much better than listening to McCain with his "my friends" every other sentence he speaks, but then listening to Obama it got to a point where I'd just be counting how many uh, uh, umm, er, uh, uh. I even had some bets with friends who would get the closest number would buy the other a beer. HA HA. Anyway...I do say give the guy a chance, but I know that a lot of dems would be all over McCains back if he had gotten elected.
What I am seeing and hearing and reading is not very hopeful. I listen to the economist who know what's going on and have the solutions. It looks like a pretty dim future and I'm not blinded like a lot are with Obama's speeches. I want to know the truth and I'm not getting it from them (go figure).
What I don't like is that Obama is no different than all the other politicians out there. He lied to us during his campaign just like all the other presidents lied to us about what they would do. He kept boasting about change but he's not bringing change. He keeps spewing this hope message. Well its now time to put hope to work and stop talking about it as though he is still campaigning.
However, I respect anyone who has a difference of opinions. They (like me) are entitled to the way they feel. Like my mom used to say to me, I may disagree with you, but I respect you and people can have conversations without getting nasty.
Well..........your comments speak for themselves........
As per one of your earlier posts: "People in this country don't care if another attack happens on our soil, just as long as a democrat is sitting in office." What do you call that? How do you know what people care about? Seems as though you are only interested in your own "thoughts" and "feelings."
I agree with 'm',especially with her comments
about the animal kingdom.
When we say 'You live like an animal,' we mean this as an insult.
as an insult.
His comments were very clearly understood....can you
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