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Obama cancels events to attend grandmother's failing health.

Posted By: Any bipartisan prayers to offer? nm on 2008-10-20
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Obama not going to attend economic
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Obama's grandmother and the media coverage

I feel very bad that she is terminally ill.  I have lost many close relatives myself and those have been the worst of times for me. 


But, I feel his campaign has used this situation to his media gain.


Put it this way, if it was me and I found out my grandmother was so sick, I would have been on the first plane there (I don't have my own jet).  What if she died before he got there?  As I said, there were a few days of a delay in there where the situation has been reported repeatedly.  If she was so sick, he should have just gone.  Everyone would have understood.


There.  I said it.  Many may think it was heartless thing to say, but wouldn't you have just dropped everything and gone? 


Biden could have taken on more in his absence.


To not attend? You had to be invited to attend -
I am sure if he had been invited to attend the speech, then he would have been there. I think if it was important to President Bush for Mr. Obama to hear what he was saying, he would have invited him to be in that room with him.

I kind of think you could look at it like President Bush was showing bad manners by not inviting him to attend (not really, just making a point that it was no big deal).

See it can go both ways.
Giuliani cancels/postpones (?) RNC speech.
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McCain throw tantrum and cancels

With all the hoop-lah about Obama "refusing" to submit to interview with Focks, seems McCain is throwing another temper tantrum (which I did see on CNN, but could not find to include in this post.  He cancelled his scheduled appearance on Larry King over what he considered to be an "over-the-top" inerview between Campbell Brown and Tucker Bounds. 


 


Here's a link to an article about the cancellation.  I could not get good audio on their link to the interview video, so I am providing this second link where I could:


http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/02/mccain-cancel-cnn/


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212194.php


 


Any comments from the gallery? 


Obama and health care.
Listen,

It is human nature to be scared of of something different, People will remain in jobs while their wages sink, afraid that things could be worse if they leave.

There are reasons this time around that the AMA, the American Cancer Society and namy other prominant organizations are encouraging a single payer system, the reason being that the current system in in a shambles, and serving less and less. The premiums are exhorbitant not only for individuals but businesses as well, the current system is severely crippling job grown, and as an aside if one is so fortunate as to have health insurance, well over 70% of legitimate claims are being denied routinely.

When things get to that point, and they have, it is better to swallow the fear and make some changes when the current system is in a complete shambles. The benefits far outway the fear of making changes to a severely flawed system.
Obama says you can keep your employer health care....
but if you don't have, the government will step in. Under his tax proposals, how long do you think business will be able to afford health care for employees? Not very darned long. So, in the end, he gets what he wants...government controlled health care. He has changed the way he described it to try to end around the socialism tag of universal health care. Nice try, but no cigar. He is not fooling me. But, I don't take every word that falls out of his mouth as gospel like some do either (and I am not singling you out specifically).
I did not think Obama was for universal health coverage... see message
I thought he was just for a coverage to be available to all people - but not mandatory to take it. Am I wrong?
Obama's whopper on McCains' Health Plan

 


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/17/eveningnews/realitycheck/main4530306.shtml


I have heard Obama say that every American will have health insurance
and while that is a lovely thought, it is not a realistic one. Look what happened with children in Hawaii. People began dropping their own private insurance in favor of the public insurance and caused the system to fail. Unfortunately, health care is expensive and cannot be guaranteed by the government without a price. I think that it is a nice plan, but will ultimately fail because we have a lot of lazy people who think that Obama is going to be their goose that laid the golden eggs. It's as if some people here (and it is the deep south) believe that if they vote for Obama, he is going to ensure that everyone drives a Cadillac and eats lobster. It is silly and unfortunate. These people are still living in FEMA trailers. Did you know some people actually steal them? Now--don't get me wrong, I am sure that there are some hard luck stories of people with health problems and such that cannot get out of their FEMA trailers, but the vast majority of them are just lazy. It has been three years.. but I digress. I think that radical government change happens very slowly and Obama is ushering it in. My opinion. Feel free to disagree, but I feel that these programs are stepping stones. Oh--and TriCare is the military plan.
Obama's top three health care campaign lies




By Phil Kerpen


Lie Number 1: I Won’t Tax Your Health Benefits


What Obama said on the campaign trail (Newport News, Va., October 4, 2008):


“So here’s John McCain’s radical plan in a nutshell: he taxes health care benefits for the first time in history… Well, I don’t think that’s right.”


What Obama says now:


Obama ally Sen. Max Baucus told the Washington Post that Obama is now willing to tax employer-provided health benefits. Baucus said: “Yeah, it’s something that he might consider. That was discussed. It’s on the table.”


Limiting or ending the tax-free status of health benefits makes sense if it’s used to cut other taxes and put all health insurance—employer-provided or not—on a level playing field. The existing benefit is an artifact of World War II-era price controls and creates a tax penalty for people who buy their own insurance.



But unlike the McCain plan, which would have taxed employer-provided health benefits and used the money to pay for a new health care tax credit, the plan now being considered by Democrats, including Obama, would tax employer-health benefits to fund increased government health care spending. For the 250 million-plus Americans who already have health insurance, this is a raw deal—they pay more taxes and get nothing in return.


Lie Number 2: I Won’t Force You to Buy Health Insurance


What Obama said on the campaign trail (Janesville, Wis., February 13, 2008):


“The main difference between my plan and Senator Clinton’s plan is that she’d require the government to force you to buy health insurance and she said she’d ‘go after’ your wages if you don’t.”


What Obama says now:


President Obama sent a letter to Democratic Senators Ted Kennedy and Max Baucus yesterday that says—using the new code word “responsibility” to refer to the same kind of mandate he slammed in Hillary’s plan:


“I understand the Committees are moving towards a principle of shared responsibility — making every American responsible for having health insurance coverage, and asking that employers share in the cost. I share the goal of ending lapses and gaps in coverage that make us less healthy and drive up everyone’s costs, and I am open to your ideas on shared responsibility.”


While President Obama did say he would like a waiver process in hardship cases, there is no reason to have a mandate other than to force people to buy insurance who don’t want to, mostly young people who are healthy and want to spend their limited income on their young careers and families. According to the Census Bureau, about 60 percent of the uninsured are under age 35, with the highest rates in the 18-24 bracket (28.1 percent uninsured) and the 25-34 (25.7 percent uninsured) bracket. This is about forcing some people who don’t want health insurance to pay for other people through a new government program. It’s more spreading the wealth around.


President Obama is poised to accept this provision for the same reason Sen. Clinton proposed it—to buy off insurance companies. Democrats learned a lesson from the 1993 HillaryCare fight when the insurance companies stopped a Washington health care takeover. The mandate is a giveaway to insurance companies to buy their support this time by forcing healthy young people who use less health care to pay insurance premiums.


Lie Number 3: If You Aren’t Rich, I Won’t Raise Your Taxes


What Obama said on the campaign trail (September 12, 2008, Dover, N.H.):


“I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”


What Obama says now:


Well, it’s hard to keep up because new ideas are floated every day, but they all would involve taxing people who make less than $250,000. In fact, even his income tax hikes for the rich have now been dropped down to start at $235,000. Then there’s the soft drink excise tax, the cap-and-trade energy taxes, and most recently the VAT, a form of national sales tax. And of course the tax on health benefits I mentioned above would also break the only-tax-the-rich pledge.


What all these proposals have in common: we all pay, big-time, likely trillions of dollars in higher taxes for “free” government health care. In fact, that’s probably the biggest lie of all—that government health care is free.


What I am failing

to understand is why the world's problems in fact become a US problem.  Why is it that when we are struggling economy wise, we are giving millions, if not billions to other countries for healthcare etc?  Here's a clue for these countries we are basically supporting.  STOP HAVING BABIES!  So this is all wraped up in a nice little healthcare package with a pretty little bow on it?  The US is the #1 supporter of other countries in that we give them free money and expect nothing in return.  Obama and his cabinet need to worry about US and the US first and foremost.


I have had a hard time since before the elections understanding how tax cuts are going to happen when one package after another is signed for aid for this money for that, oh and let's not forget national healthcare, etc etc etc.  And then to hear that creepy Biden say paying taxes is the patriotic duty?  Which one is it?


What I am failing

to understand is why the world's problems in fact become a US problem.  Why is it that when we are struggling economy wise, we are giving millions, if not billions to other countries for healthcare etc?  Here's a clue for these countries we are basically supporting.  STOP HAVING BABIES!  So this is all wraped up in a nice little healthcare package with a pretty little bow on it?  The US is the #1 supporter of other countries in that we give them free money and expect nothing in return.  Obama and his cabinet need to worry about US and the US first and foremost.


I have had a hard time since before the elections understanding how tax cuts are going to happen when one package after another is signed for aid for this money for that, oh and let's not forget national healthcare, etc etc etc.  And then to hear that creepy Biden say paying higher taxes is the patriotic duty?  Which one is it?


Universal health care and President Obama's real plan -

I see again that everyone is talking about President Obama's plan for universal health care and I once again feel the need to distinguish between universal health care and what the plan is that President Obama has campaigned for.  I have copied and pasted part of the web page, but also included the link at the bottom of this for you to see the whole plan. 


President Obama does not ask for universal health care where the government is in charge - he just wants the government to ensure that everyone has access to medical care and health insurance.  Why is it so difficult to understand that this is not socialized medicine, government run healthcare, or universal coverage plans?


Barack Obama and Joe Biden's Plan


On health care reform, the American people are too often offered two extremes - government-run health care with higher taxes or letting the insurance companies operate without rules. Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe both of these extremes are wrong, and that’s why they’ve proposed a plan that strengthens employer coverage, makes insurance companies accountable and ensures patient choice of doctor and care without government interference.


The Obama-Biden plan provides affordable, accessible health care for all Americans, builds on the existing health care system, and uses existing providers, doctors and plans to implement the plan. Under the Obama-Biden plan, patients will be able to make health care decisions with their doctors, instead of being blocked by insurance company bureaucrats.


Under the plan, if you like your current health insurance, nothing changes, except your costs will go down by as much as $2,500 per year.


If you don’t have health insurance, you will have a choice of new, affordable health insurance options.


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/


It was a huge failing. sm
And you are right, genocide has occured through many presidencies.  It occurred in Iraq to the tune of Millions.  But no one talks about that.  So which genocide do we choose?  Are some politically correct and some not?  Just wondering.
Failing that, the lot of them go to the other boad and try to run them off there.

Again, if we are so much safer, why did the 9/11 commission give him a failing grade?
You can't answer that either. Despite any connection between Iraq and 9/11, Bush and Co. (on fake intelligence) has stirred up an incredibly dangerous hornet's nest, yet you think everything is great. Why don't we just hand Iraq to Iran on a silver platter and just be done with it?
Health Insurance/Health Care sm

I figure either one of two things will happen. Either the US will go to a single payer system, i.e., national health care covering all through federal taxes and cost control by the government, or therre will be an implosion of the private system in x number of years with something different emerging from the ashes.


With the exhorbitant cost of health insurance, mandating coverage is not an answer. Anything can be mandated. The question is how does one pay for it?Massachusetts mandated individual coverage, and already has had to exclude 20% due to the cost of a policy, anywhere from $1,200 to $1,400 a month for family coverage.  Employers cannot afford to cover employees either due to the cost of health insurance.  The current system? Well, insurance companies can charge $3,000 a month for a health insurance policy, health care providers can charge $800,000 for a 3-day hospital stay, etc.  In the end no one, businesses or otherwise, will be able to keep "feeding the beast" and the current system will implode.


I think the proposal of being able to buy into Medicare is a noble one, but president Clinton pushed that years ago, and with much opposition and to no avail at that time.


I don't mean to sound so pessiimistic. Actually I'm not. There are 300 million people in this country, they have the ability to change anything, and hopefully they will take the initial steps to do that in November.


OH - MY - GOD!!!! You have definitely not been following the events
There is no connection between Obama, Ayers, Rezco, Jones or Khalidi???????? Have you been asleep? I guess so!

I'm not even going to go to the decency of posting any further. They are connected. You can read about it. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. They are as they say inextricably connected to each other.

Wake up and stop spreading the Palin hate/Obama love.
You mean like his mom and grandmother who raised him?
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Out of respect to his grandmother

but did he quit campagning since he worships her?


I'm sorry, but if my grandmother died, I'd be one of the first people there and cancel everything.  In due respect, did he go to Hawaii? Who knows? All we're hearing is the same old, same old.


I feel bad that she died on the eve of th election. It's really sad.


inauguration events
is anyone planning on taking the day off or part of the day to watch the inauguration tomorrow?  I would not mind.  If I leave it on while working its sure to slow me down production wise. 
Coincidental events an understatement.
I wish everyone would take the time to just study facts & compare. The victims families cannot get their questions answered at all. There is a lot of good information on the web page started by the victims families (911truth.org). Aaron Russo (Hollywood producer, not conspiracy theorist) is also releasing a film this summer that is a must see for everyone. The link to a preview of it: http://www.freedomtofascism.com/
my grandmother until my grandfather died because...

My grandmother said they did not agree on politics and she would never vote for the same person he did, so therefore her vote would cancel his out and she felt like that was wrong because he was the head of the household!!!  Can you believe - as soon as he died, she never missed voting again for who she wanted.


I am not unhappy with current events...
I think it is a great step forward in this country that a black man is running for President. It is historical, and a wonderful, wonderful thing. But because he is black does not mean he is qualified. If he was white and saying the same things I would feel the same way. He seems like a nice guy, has a beautiful family, and has a vision for the country. I don't share that vision. Does not make me a bad person, does not make him a bad person. Just means we disagree. That is what America is all about. It is this rabid hatred of all things not Obama or all things conservative and trying to squelch any kind of opposition that is UNAmerican. It fact, it is the antithesis of the American way, and the fact that he stirs that up in people is concerning. I don't know if it is by accident or by design. No way I could know.
He was raised by his "white" grandmother.
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Barack's grandmother died
 
But I never thought he might be thinking about his grandmother.
That could have been it.
His sweet little Kenyan grandmother was there....
and she said herself that she is so proud to have witnessed the birth IN KENYA of her grandson who will be the next POTUS. Can't deny that one.
The grandmother stayed with the children.
Both of them stated many times that grandma was taking care of the children while they were gone.
But did he attend church
There is a difference you know. One can claim to be a member of a church and never set foot in it. Perhaps this is how he did it.
I like it here. Besides, mostly all they discuss there is current events. Imagine that. nm

These late night political events

are just killing me.  I keep staying up to watch and then I stay up later to hear the media discuss everything.  Why must this stuff be so addicting?  I know I should just go to bed because it will be repeated 1,000 times the next day......but I can't help myself.  I'm going to go hook up my coffee IV to keep me awake this morning.


 


Most of them attend or have graduated from DRJBSOJ
That is the Dan Rather-Jayson Blair School of Journalism 
McCain to attend debate.
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I'm gonna have the big one. Human Events quoted on the L board! NM

I was just thinking they should rename this board "Current Events" instead of
I'm just bored today and thought I would just throw that out there.  I think Current Events better all-ecompasses the discussions on this board.
How many funerals did Johnson and Clinton attend.
Answer me that.  It is inappropriate because it seems you will use any tragedy to further your sad and disturbing hate for this president. I get that by reading these boards. 
He is not supposed to attend since he's only the President-elect.
This summit is for leaders of the country, not leaders that will be.
What? Like those classless Americans who spouted KILL HIM towards O at GOP events pre election? nm
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Many influential and successful people attend Trinity.
It is very similar to the neighborhood I live in that social status and activism are linked to the church you attend. Trinity does an amazing amount of good works on the South Side.
You go girl - 60,000 people attend her rally in Florida

Not bad for a town whose population is 70,000 people.


http://news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS0107/80921022


 


 


 


 


I agree, but - he got an endorsement from an evangelist but he didn't attend the church for 20 ye
McCain did get an endorsement from a radical evangelist, but I don't think it involved racism or hate, he is just sort of "out there." However, McCain did not attend his church(was it Hagee, not sure), just got an endorsement from him. That is a huge difference from attending the church for 20 years under him.
health plan
I have an idea, why doesnt Bush stop waging immoral wars and use our tax dollars for something constructive and life saving, like health coverage for those who die each year without it?  You know why I would love a universal health plan?  Because I care about my brother and sister and I care about making every Americans life better.  Of course, you conservatives care about no one but yourselves.  You make a few bucks, buy a home in a gated community, take the other streets so you dont pass the ghetto..and yet you claim you are christian..that is the most hypocritical statement of all.  Do you not realize if Jesus walked this earth today, he would be a liberal democrat, helping the poor, the starving, the sick, the homeless, accepting all.  Im so glad Im a liberal democrat.  I dont think I could look at myself in the mirror or get a good nights sleep knowing my ideology is actually harming America, not helping it one bit.
Health insurance
I'm not sure about that specific point, but in her plan if you don't purchase medical insurance your wages will be garnished. How's that for communism?
Health care
Nope, he didn't say anything as extreme as HRC about health care, but if he's going to enact any type of government funded health care, how is he going to pay for it? Not to mention all the other changes he has in mind. You think the economy is bad now, you haven't seen anything yet. I believe in helping out when people need the help, but there are already too many entitlement programs that people have been on for generations and now there should be another? So that now I not only have to pay for my own (which I do, by the way) but I have to pay for others as well? Does that really seem fair to you? And no, I don't like the war, but realistically, what else can we do at this point? We can't pull out because then things would be worse than they were. I think too many people forget what happened to our country in 2001 (and the many episodes before that) - you don't hear anyone from WWII forgetting about Pearl Harbor. McCain is going to change a lot - don't be fooled into thinking he's just continuing Bush's presidency - it's not even close. Regardless of who wins, I certainly don't envy them the huge responsibilities they're going to face. I do hope that whoever wins doesn't screw it up! Not sure this country can take much more of that.
Not only that, she is a HEALTH reporter and

you could tell that Joe Biden really did think she was joking because the question was so ridiculous, about Obama being a Marxist.  No wonder these things get so inflated by the right-wing media.  Ridiculous questions don't deserve to be acknowledged.  What a waste of time. Someone needs to ask SP why her own home newspaper in Anchorage is supporting Obama, because she is considered too risky to be in a position a heartbeat away from the Oval Office, and the McCain campaign aides have referred to her a rogue diva.  Ouch, that must have hurt!  Now there are some FACTS for you!!


If they really cared about our health
I agree with most - when all the smokers quit, who's next?  Tax all the bars and strip clubs out of existance?  Then the fast food joints?  And then what - up the gas tax so we'll all feel so good about being green when we walk to work?  When all else fails, there's always the churches to tax - there's a lost source of revenue for ya!
With health insurance, though

we are all driving basically the same model and we are insuring it for what could possibly happen, not what will or actually does. 


Way back in the 1960s when I first started working, my company's health insurance did not cover single women for most 'female' issues, especially birth control and/or pregnancy-related issues, which has since been deemed discriminatory.  Now you must cover everyone equally for every contingency. 


The only way to individually ajust coverage costs would to be to exclude coverage based on genetic testing and/or family history, or maybe lifestyle issues such as alcohol or tobacco use or risky behavior like sky diving, which consumers have been fighting for years.  This would probably also be deemed discriminatory.


Clinton health care
President Clinton and the First Lady tried to get a universal health care plan passed but the republicans fought them all the way and it was dead in the water.  That was the first thing they focused on when starting his presidency.  Senator Ted Kennedy also has tried to get a health care plan passed but the republicans once again stopped him.  You see, with a health care plan drug companies, for profit hospitals, clinics, insurance companies wont become multi millionaires over the sickness and death of americans and republicans just cant let that happen, since it is just these types of companies that hire lobbyists who have the republican congress in their pockets.  Yes, it is Bushs fault.  He is the president, he has the power to sway the republican controlled congress.  Instead of focusing on tort reform, bankruptcy law changes, which will affect middle class workers, does nothing to stop the trumps and other big businesses from filing for bankruptcy, privatizing social security, nonbid contracts to cheneys old company, he needs to focus on what affects the american worker, the ones who pay the majority of the taxes.  Yes, healthcare is certainly one of the priorities for americans.  In every poll I have seen it rates right up there with iraq and jobs and gas prices. Bush is going to give iraq free health care..what are his priorities, definitely not for the workers of america. 
Someone has to pay for universal health care....
she knows that. Her plan will cost billions. The only way to pay for it is to force those who can afford it to buy it (as many choose not to so they can use that money for other things...and I don't mean eating...she knows that too). That is the one thing people who want socialized medicine, government-run health care don't realize. It is not FREE. If they don't get you in premiums they will get you in taxes...because who supplies the government with the money it spends...why that would be us, the taxpayers. What a concept. I don't know why Hillary saying she would not be opposed to garnishment should surprise anyone. That way when she hits us with higher taxes, they won't have to be quite as high. And don't think the "rich" can pick up the tab...they already pay way over 50% of the total tax money into the tills as it is, and there isn't enough money to go around. And while we are at it...show me a place in the Constitution where it says the government should provide health care, welfare, or anything like that? You won't find it. The founders were about less government, not more government. I don't understand why people would want to let themselves become tied to the government for their every need. Where does that place all the control? With the government, not with the people. Hello socialism, good-bye freedom. SIGH.