Shame on YOU, anti-SSM... it's not about
Posted By: being "in", it's about EQUALITY. on 2009-04-07
In Reply to: No - shame on you VT legislators!!! - Vermonter against SSM
If the church is going to start dictating what the goverment does, then we d****d well better start TAXING them. Now THAT would be of help to the economy.
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Anti-Semitism versus Anti-Zionism
I wanted to address an exchange below that occurred between myself and a couple of others on the board (just the big bad and another poster who did not use anything to identify herself) last night. In response to my post about the righteous prevailing meaning the Israeli's would prevail because they are the "righteous", just the big bad responded "So was Hitler righteous?" She was likening the Israeli's treatment of the Palestinians as being akin to Nazi Germany's treatment of the Jews. I then pointed out her anti-Semitic rhetoric. To which I was blasted for accusing an anti-Zionist as being an anti-Semitic.
I want to point out to many of you who hold strong opinions regarding the Israel/Palestinian conflict, there is a very fine line between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, a line that was very clearly crossed when just the big bag posted her Hitler remark, a line many have crossed in this discussion by likening the Gaza Strip to a concentration camp. When you say these things you have become an anti-Semitic. Below is an excerpt from an article written by Ami Isseroff:
If you judge a Jewish state by standards that you apply to no one else; if your neck veins bulge when you denounce Zionists but you've done no more than cluck "well, yes, very bad about Darfur";
if there is nothing Hamas can do that you won't blame 'in the final analysis' on Israelis;
if your sneer at the Zionists doesn't sound a whole lot different from American neoconservative sneers at leftists;
then you should not be surprised if you are criticized, fiercely so, by people who are serious about a just peace between Israelis and Palestinians and who won't let you get away with a self-exonerating formula "I am anti-Zionist, but not anti-Semitic" to prevent scrutiniy. If you are anti-Zionist and not anti-Semitic, then don't use the categories, allusions, and smug hiss that are all too familiar to any student of prejudice.
I think that sums it up.
No dear, it's anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic.
Horrific is as horrific does. This long term occupation has spanned 60 years. The Holocaust spanned 12. Thanks to your Zionist government, its historic anmesia and its barbaric practices, the Jewish people have lost their exclusive claim to pain and suffering at the hands of state-sponsored terrorism aimed at the genocidal annihilation of an entire population. Your Holocaust was based on religious affiliation and racial purification. The Palestinian Holocaust is based on the ethnic cleansing of a pathologic nationalism that has been out of control for 6 decades.
You cannot declare yourself in charge of defining any other person's beliefs based on your concepts of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. I very painstakingly explained to you where I was coming from with that and how I make the distinction. It is the nationalistic fascist ideals that underpin the Zionist movement, not the Jewish people or their religious affiliation that are the targets of the hatred. In fact, they are also captive to their own Zionist leadership, but to a much lesser degree than the Palestinians.
The Holocaust is the only thing in recent history that can be used by comparison to describe the plight of the Palestinians. In fact, there is no parallel historical context that it can be placed in, other than perhaps the apartheid of South Africa. The most accurate description would be a combination of the two horrors.
Any way you slice it, you are trying to defend the indefensible and will never succeed in gaining any credibility, global tolerance of acceptance (except, of course from the US, who is using your country and your people for their own personal gains...better watch your backs) as long as you are the occupiers and the oppressors.
Shame on those who perpetrated this crime and shame on you....am
....for posting a link. I for one, will not be going to "gawk" at the governor's personal life that has been hijacked by extremists.
And anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage
will fix the economy? I think not. Besides anyone with half a brain cell knows BOTH of them will raise taxes on all of us. Forget tax breaks. How do you think the $700 billion and climbing is going to get paid....from money falling out of the sky????? Get real.
Heartless people, that's what YOU are! Shame, shame ! nm
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Anti-choice, anti-welfare,
No hypocrisy there?
Anti-gay/anti-abortion
I'm someone who believes in minding my own business. What others do in their family lives is none of my business. There hasn't been one single (or married) gay person who has ever hurt me.
On the other hand, the policies of the last eight years have hurt me a great deal. I don't have health insurance, so McCain can't tax mine, but he will tax everyone else's.
I want a President who can speak English (for a change), one who is intelligent and even tempered, and one who not only acknowledges that there is a huge problem with the middle class but whose entire platform has been devoted to solving that problem.
One day, McCain says the "fundamentals of the economy are strong." The next day, he's canceling a debate to rush back to Washington to fix the "crisis," except that he doesn't really "rush," and he didn't cancel the debate. He's running around like a chicken with its head cut off.
Obama's slogan has always been change, from the very beginning, and McCain has stolen that slogan.
I'm just personally sick and tired of politicians who are pro-corporations and anti-Americans.
Corporate tax breaks simply don't work. The beneficiaries of these breaks pocket the money. They don't create jobs; they outsource them. As MTs, we should know that more than anyone.
Obama wants to reward businesses who KEEP jobs in America. That's why I voted for him, along with the other reasons above, and that's why my daughter and son-in-law also voted for him, so he has received three votes from this household alone.
The "trickle-down" theory doesn't work and depends on the non-existent benevolence of greedy executives. It's time to try the "trickle-up" theory, IMHO.
Everyone is so upset at the thought of rising taxes. I wish someone would tell me just HOW we expect to pay for all Bush's wars, as this will fall to the next President, along with the present financial fiasco.
It is a d*** shame.
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Shame on you
Shame on you Army Mom for wanting your child to be in harms way over an unnecessary criminal war..Shame on YOU
Shame on you
Do you know *any* of the 9/11 widows? What would *you* be doing if your loved one had been murdered as theirs were in this manner? Take the goverment payoff to sit down and shut up? Or would you stand up to the collosal cover-up of the events of that infamous day and demand answers?
There is only *one* person looking to clean up here - and that would be the shrew bitch who makes a living mining the apparently endless wells of hate of her followers.
She deserves not to be mentioned and certainly never to be given free air time.
The widows, at the very least, deserve the benefit of the freaking doubt!
The shame should go to
you people on both sides who can't even see how ignorant you sound. On the one hand you call Obama a terrorist because McCain's campaign has accused him of such. On the other hand you absolve Palin of any wrong doing. I don't KNOW if Obama associates with terrorists. I expect he does associate with shady characters of some kind. I expect Palin is guilty as charged but I don't know this. Unless you live in Alaska and followed this story BEFORE she became the VP nominee, you don't KNOW either.
The shame goes to you people who can only see 2 colors....blue and red!!!! Never mind what is behind door #1 or door #2. It is you people who have elected the dirtbags that are running this country and you're fixin' to do it again. YOU have helped to bring this great country to it's knees and it isn't even on its' knees yet!!!!
I support LOU DOBBS FOR PRESIDENT.
Yes he did and more shame upon him! n/m
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well then shame on us
for being that way. Too bad they couldn't fix it to where you couldn't physically see the candidates but could just hear them speak. If we were blind to their appearance and color, maybe we could make a better judgment call.
It is a shame that all you have to do is
ignored so you can make more hateful jabs. As far as being here in the real world, honey, you don't even have a clue! It is so comical listening to you make a fool of yourself here trying to show us how intelligent and intellectuant you are and what small little peons we are because we do not accept your opinions. Why would someone of your caliber even need the MT world? Can't even be just for the pleasure any more, there is none there now, just work for a living. This poster's opinions are just as valuable as yours. Anyway, you're funny, but you're no more intelligent than anyone else here.
They have no shame
I already know the O worshipper and lovers are going to cut down the article, so I really don't care what they think. But for those interested who have an open mind and willing to read and listen to everything here is a good article. All the rest say what you want, I don't care.
I was also just going to cut and past the article here because of course the O worshippers will come back with a lame excuse about who wrote the article, but I'm at a point now that I don't care either. It's an important article for all those who want to know the truth.
http://www.rense.com/general84/has.htm
Shame
It's you who has no shame.
Gimme A Break.
No, shame on you
For loving him with your eyes closed.
What a shame for someone's whole
wasted due to being consumed with such bitterness and hatred. And to try and blame the entire world's conditions on 2 people. What patriotism!
Shame On You!!!!!!!
You are the perfect example of the "ugly" "slime" you're wailing against.
Posting something like, "I just fear that someone who believes just like the anti-Americans on this board will actually penetrate one of those lines and kill him, for the good of the country. Maybe Bush is counting (planning?) for that to happen."
Get a life and stop fantasizing about secret plots to overthrow your beloved one. Posting that same, tired, worn-out line of BS is hate-mongering, plain and simple.
You say you're leaving for a month? I doubt it. But good riddance if you do. You surely will NOT be missed.
It's a shame....
you can't post a coherent message without attacking someone. Where did all that money go under Ws watch? Am I calling you a c*ks*kng conservative? A bible banging religious whackjob who's venom and hate has consumed their brain cells? Maybe if you grew up and could tie your own shoes, you wouldn't have to resort to schoolyard bullying.
Shame, shame, shame.
On every member of Congress that allowed this porkulus package to go through. Even Joe Biden said there's a 30% chance things could go wrong and that's if they do everything right, which there's very little about this package that's right. Sorry, but in a year's time when none of this works and unemployment is still climbing, how much better off will we be?
No shame on YOU!!!!
How soon you forget about the Word Trade Center getting hit when Clinton was in...USS Cole, the war in Kosovo, Somali, Waco, Oklahoma, etc.
Shame on you for blaming Bush for stuff and not looking back at the atrosities (sp?) Clinton did under his watch.
You know what is a shame?
That all the serial killers moms didn't have an abortion.
I think that it is a shame that
Christian schools should cover up any religious symbols for any speaker. If that speaker doesn't want the symbols there, they shouldn't speak at a Christian school. Simple as that.
For Obama to be a "Christian" and do nothing but appeal solely to the far-left by his views on abortion and now the covering of religious symbols......it just really sad the way our country is heading. You can't even talk about your religious beliefs anymore without being ridiculed and basically told to shut up.
SHAME . . . n/m
BIBLE
Bible
I think it is a shame that
the news media isn't covering some of this stuff. It seems like the media is spoon feeding us without reporting on some very important issues. It is like they want us distracted so we don't see what is really going on.
Just like ACORN....I've been watching when I can and it does amaze me that so much money goes to them and we have no idea where that money goes or about the guy who embezzled 1 million dollars from ACORN and was never prosecuted. I wasn't surprised that they denied O'Reilly the right to look at their books. If they had nothing to hide, they wouldn't have a problem with it. ACORN is fishy. They have bullied people and, like you said, are being investigated by many states now. This is my problem with ACORN....what right does the government have to take MY money and give to an organization like ACORN to pass out to democratic candidates for their campaigns. That is what burns my butt.
We did talk a bit about Sotamayor below. I really don't like the idea that she threw out those tests taken by those firefighters. I just do not see how that test was unfair to minorities since they were all given the same study material and the same amount of time to study. To me....that is racism. She may be able to bring some good things to her position being a latina woman but for her to say that she will make BETTER decisions than a white man because she is a latina woman.....to me that is racist and I do not like it. If a white man had said anything similar, they would have been asked to step down and their career would have been over.
As for N. Korea....I am terrified.....I gotta be honest here. I had a friend of mine in high school who was a foreign exchange student from S. Korea and I often worry about her and wonder how she is especially now with what is going on. I really don't have the answer for this either. We already are spread thin with being in Iraq and Afghan. I'm also sick and tired of the US standing up and being the "bad guys." Why can't the UN do something for once? Why can't other countries stand up and say.....N. Korea...enough is enough. This is one reason why I feel Obama was a bad pick for our country. He has done nothing but apologize and try to appease other countries and personally I feel that it makes him look weak and it has made us look weak.
As for talking about freedom.....I think that is a big issue because so many feel that we are losing our freedom. The government is taking over everything it seems. First the banks and now the auto industry. Government keeps spending and spending. I just can't help but think that our freedoms will be taken away more and more over a period of time.
As for CA....the voters voted and I think it is a shame that this should be taken to the supreme court. This was voted on....gay people lost....get over it. Obviously the majority has a problem with gay marriage or gay marriage would be okay in CA. We haven't heard the end of this. The gay community won't stop until they get what they want. I've come to the conclusion that I feel that all "marriage" should be considered a civil union and marriages should be between believers and their churches. This way the sacred meaning of marriage can be kept for us believers while all non-believers and gay people can have civil unions. To me this will be the only way to make the majority of people happy.
I hope I didn't miss anything. I'm trying to remember everything you brought up.
Anti-Semitism
I would be mindful of how this word is tossed around. The Arabs are Semites too.
It's a shame you feel that way.
I don't think it does you or the rest of world any good.
Just my opinion. I will not be debating with you or posting to you again.
Shame on you for denying someone else
their freedom of speech. As bad as you HATE it you people don't speak for everybody...
Not too sure. There have been a lot of anti-Bush sm
and military criticism articles the last week. I think they are feeling cornered.
Also, the US doesn't kill women and children??? It's just incredible to me that anyone cannot see what a total liar Bush is. Maybe that's why the media is finally getting some guts. Fallujah is proof they kill innocents, including women and children. White phosphorus was used in Lebanon too, apparently, although not reported very widely in the U.S. like everything else. Sane people see these horrific realities, and hopefully we are growing in numbers.
Shame on you....as been debunked.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/dailykos-rumors-debunked-here-is-sarah-palin-pregnancy-photo-on-feb-10th-2008/
I suppose you are anti-gun as well.
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And shame on you for ignoring the
fact that while, yes, while these groups are based in hatred and bigotry, don't be so naive to think they won't ingest all the viciousness and hate-mongering coming from a previously admired government official running for the highest office in the land as an excuse to rise to, what they perceive as their cause, and plot the assassination of someone who has been protrayed as an enemy of the state. Get real and get off that high horse of yours, cause its going to be a long fall.
Shame - see message
On all who conveniently forget to talk about all the bashing and awful things that the democrat side does. I posted below some of the stuff the Obama supporters have done to McCain/Palin (hanging her figure from a rope, violence towards the republican office by throwing rocks through windows, vandalizing, etc. And one of the worse so far an attack on her motorcade. What did the attackers think they would do, open the doors and drag her in the street and beat her up like Rodney King. That's what I was thinking when I was watching it on CNN, and I'm sure that's what she was thinking too. So it's okay for a republican to be scared for their life, attacked and hate smear spread about them? You don't condone that? Nobody should have to be scared for their life no matter what political party they belong to. I don't care if its Obama, McCain, Biden, or Palin, nobody deserves that.
So there are those who conviently discard the violence towards the conservatives. And I too put some blame on Obama/Biden for fueling the hate on their side. Play the race card all you want. It's not true but it's used when all else fails. There are radical people on both sides, whether its skinheads or black supporters, there is no reason for violence or hate.
My DH said two things to me that sum up how I feel -
1. Free thinkers questions all.
2. Knowledge frees the mind - read everything.
The shame is that we don't have another choice (sm)
I wish there was someone I could truly feel good about voting for.
Shame on this sentiment!
Exactly what is meant by PUT COUNTRY FIRST? To you it may mean unending war, because that's EXACTLY what McCain would have delivered.
PATRIOTISM to this writer, at least, means standing up for one's COUNTRY against bad government, corrupt government.
THAT MY FRIEND IS EXACTLY, exactly what the majority of Americans did tonight!
They voted *against* the status quo of starting FAKE wars to steal resources - at the costs of millions of innocent lives and HUNDREDS of billion dollars - which costs us more than we can possibly ever understand.
They voted *against* the politics of fear which keeps us divided and paralyzed...
They voted *for* the promise of an America that COULD BE but isn't because of the dangerous and sick policies of the BUSH/GOP 8 years in power.
THEY VOTED **FOR** THEIR COUNTRY!
Shame on you for that message
That was quite nasty. Military fodder? Our boys serve because they want to, because they believe in the USA.
Military industrial complex? That sounds like something out of the mouth of ----- (fill in the blank), not someone who loves their country.
The anti-christ??
Please-with all the damage done by Bush, and Obama is the anti-christ to you?? He is a Christian man with a lovely, loving family, strong values, and wants what is best for America. And he hasn't even been sworn in yet? What is with you folks that see it necessary to act like Obama is the devil incarnate! I have prayed for my country, the my prayers have been answered. He takes office in January.
It is a shame that you cannot understand
know something that SCIENCE cannot disprove!
Shame on you. I think he is handling this exactly right. nm
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No, shame on you - see message
For not seeing with your eyes open.
I'm sorry Oldtimer but I really disagree with you on this one and I'm tired of being bashed for my opinions.
Handling this right would be for Obama to handle it the exact same way every single other new president has in the past with his transition team quietly getting things in place. Not so quiet as we don't know what's going on, but not creating a whole new branch of government to feed on his ego. One commenter I read said he's coming off as thought he is "co-president". January 20th will be here soon enough.
What he is doing just sickens a lot of people who understands what is happening.
Well, that's a shame. If he is wrong you
let the necessary people know whether he is in your party or not.
It's a shame you do not realize this.....
mess cannot be swept under the rug in a matter of weeks. How can you blame Obama for this mess? He's been doing everything he can considering the obstacles he has had to face. I suppose we should do nothing? My husband is laid off, we don't have healthcare right now and I have a rare type of cancer that has no cure - you can only try to keep it at bay....my future is bright since I can't afford the chemo drugs ($6,000 per month). This stimulus plan can be compared to the bible - you can choose to interpret any way it serves your purpose/agenda. I choose to believe Obama is trying to pull us up out of this hellhole that he inherited.
It is a shame that you obviously think you are psychic and know my.....sm
political leanings, and also need to attack blindly. First off, I have been Democrat all my life, but I am also Independent, had McCain proven himself to be the better candidate, I was more than willing to vote for him, HE proved himself otherwise during long campaign, debates, etc. And as far as knowing about the healthcare system, I worked for years in hospital doing coding/billing as well as transcription, and also have been office manager for many practices in charge of billing reimbursement. Also, my mom is 90 and I lost my dad last year, I know ALL ABOUT Medicare. I never said the hospitals were getting rich on Medicare, but YOU WISE UP because I saw a lot of fraudulant billing, double-billing, padding the bill, etc., YOU don't kid yourself. There are so many hospital and clinic systems thoughout the United States that ARE making profits hand over fist, you have to know the distinction between for-profit hospitals and non-profit research/teaching hospitals. I am pointing my finger in the direction of where everything has gone wrong for over 8 years because any type of big business or money was SACRED COW, and Obama's Healthcare reform is A LOT more complicated, complex, and forward-thinnking than any of you want to admit. You and those who think like you are the shame..........
How did you get anti-welfare out of any of this?
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Anti-war people
All you anti-war people I would like to know what your position was right after 9-11? Were you antiwar then or screaming for the President of the United States to DO SOMETHING to protect us. That makes you hypocrites.
Snooker us once, shame on you. Snooker us twice, shame on us. sm
I'm betting a lot of folks won't be snookered the next time.
No - shame on you VT legislators!!!
The legislators did not vote in line with what the constituents want. They overturned the Governor's veto instead of focusing on the issues at hand, i.e. THE ECONOMY.
They wanted to do the "IN" thing. Shame on them.
I feel it is a shame really.
The liberal media is too busy trying to blame Bill O'Reilly and people like him who are pro-life. They have used Tiller's death to portray conservatives as hatemongers. I think what Tiller did in his profession was disgusting and wrong, but he will have to answer for those decisions he made. I would never condone someone gunning the man down and I do feel bad for the family.
However, here we have the other story about a young man at a recruiting center who had just finished basic training and was willing to fight for our country and he was gunned down because of another wacko who didn't agree with our involvement with this war. Yet no news has been made about this. Why?
One man who had no problem killing babies who could survive outside of the womb and was gunned down was reported all over the media but a young man who joined our military to fight for our country and was gunned down outside of a recruiting center and not a peep is mentioned......what does that say about our country? How much more bias in the media can you get?
I feel Obama should have made a statement on the young man gunned down at the military center. It is only right especially if he is going to make statement about Tiller the baby Killer. I mean....come on!!! Show some respect to people who want to fight for our country, Mr. President.
Oh no... - however shame on you - see message
In today's day and age it still amazes me that people actually make comments like this out loud. Is he senile or something?
Here's the however part... shame on you for making it sound like he is the leader of the GOP party. He is not. He's just another republican. He is not the leader of the party. In fact I had never heard of him so had to go look up who he is. He's just a republican from SC. He is not the leader of the party, so shame on you for trying to make this into something it's not. Even the Huffington Post didn't say he was the leader of the party.
Would you like a list of all the "outstanding leaders of the democratic party" who have made jokes about people and done bad things. There's plenty to go around.
This reminds me of an argument DH just had with his mom and he told her - "Sure there are a lot of republicans that I don't like and don't agree with, and there are an equal number of democrats that I don't like and don't agree with, but when you don't criticize the people in your own party and you think every single republican is bad and every single democrat is good you are just as bad as the ones who are being decisive, and if you continue down this road the country will never come together".
New Anti-Smoking Law
President Obama knows all too well how difficult it is to quit smoking, and today he addressed his struggle to kick the habit just before signing a law he hopes will help other people put out their cigarettes too.
"Each day, 1,000 young people under the age of 18 become new, regular, daily smokers, and almost 90 percent of all smokers began at or before their 18th birthday," Obama said today. "I know. I was one of these teenagers. And so I know how difficult it can be to break this habit when it's been with you for a long time."
The new tobacco law gives the Food and Drug Administration authority to regulate tobacco in the same way the government regulates breakfast cereals and pharmaceuticals.
"This legislation is a victory for bipartisanship, and it was passed overwhelmingly in both houses of Congress," Obama said today. "It's a victory for health care reform, as it will reduce some of the billions we spend on tobacco-related health care costs in this country."
Public health organizations and many lawmakers, several of whom joined Obama today for the signing, have been fighting for regulation for nearly a decade in hopes of helping an estimated 45 million adult smokers in the United States to kick their habit.
The law means the government will have the power to decide how cigarettes are advertised and monitor how they're promoted to young people. It means cigarette makers will be required to include new, larger warning graphics with more health information on their products and will be prohibited from using words like "light" and "low tar" in their marketing.
While the law does not have the power to ban cigarettes and nicotine outright, it does allow the FDA to reduce nicotine levels and harmful chemicals in tobacco products.
"Forty-five years after the first U.S. surgeon general's report linking cigarette smoking to lung cancer, the most deadly product sold in America will no longer be the least-regulated product sold in America," said Matthew Myers, president of Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, in a statement earlier this month when Congress passed the bill.
Within the year, a rule will also be reinstated that prohibits outdoor tobacco ads within 1,000 feet of schools and playgrounds, and bans tobacco brands from sponsoring sports and entertainment events, according to the law.
At the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, CEO John R. Seffrin said the changes "will finally put an end to Big Tobacco's despicable marketing practices that are designed to addict children to its deadly products."
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius also pinned high hopes on the effort.
"This legislation is a key part of our plans to cut health care costs and reduce the number of Americans who smoke," Sebelius said in a June 11 statement.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 440,000 people die prematurely from smoking each year, with an estimated 49,000 of those deaths due to secondhand smoke exposure.
"This legislation provides a tremendous opportunity to finally hold tobacco companies accountable and restrict efforts to addict more children and adults," American Heart Association CEO Nancy Brown said in a June 11 statement. "It has been a long and challenging process to move the bill through Congress but the determination of many concerned parents and supporters has never wavered."
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