And I think I recall reading about sperm doners
Posted By: New Englander on 2009-04-06
In Reply to: Where do babies come from? 1 man and 1 woman - I couldn't agree more
test tube babies, IVF, etc. The complete ig that people have that you have to have 1 man and 1 woman to have a baby. You know what? I can't have kids. We tried for over 30 years. Nothing worked, adoption never worked either. That's why they have other means (like sperm doners, etc.)
You know you can still have your "traditional marriage" between a man and a woman and call it traditional marriage, and for the gay and lesbians let them have a marriage to the person they love and want to spend the rest of their lives with just like you do.
Leave the tradition of marriage alone? Gee why not segregate whites and blacks in schools, and why don't you tell us whether different races can marry? How much further are you going to take it? If two people love each other they should be allowed to marry. They are human beings and have feeling just like you or I do. If I ever find myself without my husband in the future I have some woman friends that I share deep affection with and if we want to marry its nobody else's business and what we do in our own home does not affect you. Does that change the way you feel for your spouse? Has all your vows and trust for each other gone down the drain now because two people of the same sex love each other and want to share the same human rights that everyone else takes for granted. Talk about discrimination and making someone feel totally inferior and less of a human being, oh and what's next, only catholics can get married but mormons and lutheran or Jewish people can't. Man, now I know why I am not a Christian. So let there be two branches of marriage. Traditional branch where you say "I Marge take Fred to be my lawful partner, blah, blah, blah" and then you have another branch of marriage where you can say "I Judy take Barbara to be my lawful partner. I promise to take care of her when she is sick and dying. I will love her til death do we part". And this allows her to be able to make the decisions and have the same rights that all other human beings can. If you believe in a loving God, then he loves all people no matter what. He doesn't discriminate. He doesn't need any spokesperson interjecting their opinion as to what they "think" "he" wants.
Also, our lives on this planet are too short. Why wouldn't you want other people to be happy and share in the same happiness you share with a partner. Their getting married doesn't affect you.
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Our president's parents were together a brief time. Everybody makes mistakes. Mr. Obama's father went on to have many more wives and children, and only ever saw Barack once after he left. What is that offends you the most? That our president had a sperm donor for a father or that he was a black man? What could possibly be so offensive about this Kenyan man who was never around, never raised him, never supported him, is long since dead?
Maybe it is his Indonesian stepfather who offends you.
Maybe it that this self-proclaimed "mutt" became president that offends you?
Whatever it is....you must be much offended in this world and I feel sorry for you.
What about all those poor dead sperm?
Every time an egg is fertilized we should have millions of tiny graves, one for every sad little sperm that didn't make it.
Really? I don't recall seeing that in my
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As I recall
those pubs in Congress along with their bush leader didn't do a thing for the good of the country and they were replaced by the Dems but with Daddy Bush as the "decider" it was unlikely he was going to let them get away with anything for the good.........not that they tried either.
I don't recall ever
defending Bush no matter what. There are a lot of things that I don't agree with Bush on as well. I think both parties need a good cleaning out. I'm not a Cheney fan either but I do get what he is saying. If they want to let out part of those memos....let them all out so we know what happened and what we got in return that may or may not have benefited. How are we to know for sure if only half of this is opened up and looked at. You have pubs lying and dems lying alike. If the dems want the pubs to go down.....then the dems involved should go down with the ship as well. I'm tired of the double standards and the finger pointing.
However, I still say this is all best left alone until after our troops are home. It does no good for anyone to have us fighting amongst ourselves at home and releasing information that could endanger our troops even more than they are.
I also don't really think that our tactics as far as treatment of prisoners should be out there for all to see because, like I said before, what is the point of anything if terrorists know they are going to be treated well with no threat to their life. They would have no reason to spill the beans. They would just have to be patient until they got out.
I'm not here defending the GOP and Bush and Cheney. However, I personally see nothing wrong with waterboarding in an attempt to save lives.
Obviously this is something that you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on. As per my research and understanding, terrorists are not covered under the Geneva Convention and therefore Bush didn't order anything unlawful in that instance. But seriously....this is something that should be investigated after our troops are home and safe. I don't think Bush is worth putting our troops at higher risk.
Are you reading the same thing I am reading? sm
Did you read Mein Kampf? Would that be good enough evidence for you, because he wrote about it in there. Good grief, you people won't admit when you are wrong and frankly, that is pretty darned frightening!
I don't recall saying in my post that you were gt. SM
What an odd thing to say. Anyway, I don't like posting over here. I just happened to see that you were ungracious when I apologized and talking about slander when you did the exact same thing to me so, in other words, nothing has changed here. And you are not funny.
I do not recall saying that I did not agree with...
abortion because God would never approve of it nor want it. I may have said God would never approve of it or want it, because I believe that to be true. However, I do not remember saying that was the only reason I was opposed to it. What about people who are not religious who think abortion is morally wrong? Again...you do not have to be religious to be opposed to abortion. There are a lot of people (nonreligious) who are against the death penalty for the same reason. Frankly, what difference does it make anyway? My point all along was that opposition is on moral grounds, and I certainly was a moral person BEFORE I came to know God. Are you saying you are not a moral person because you are not religious? Did I miss something??
Ah. Well, then perhaps we should sterilize everyone right now to make sure the antichrist is never born. That is how much sense that argument makes.
For the last time, piglet. I perceive abortion to be wrong because it kills what to me is a person. I don't need God or anyone else to tell me that life begins at conception. If it didn't, the child would not grow and mature. Whatever the stage the life is in, it is necessary to kill it so that it does not continue to grow. If you want to equate that with plants and animals, that is certainly your prerogative.
Again, I don't know why it chaps you so much for someone to have a different opinion.
The moral police? You mean like saying theft is wrong? Like saying war is wrong? Like saying assault is wrong? Like saying rape is wrong? That kind of moral police?
Again...there are laws on the books right now that you can be charged with two murders if you kill a pregnant woman. Do you oppose that too? Scott Peterson...charged with Laci and Connor's death. Connor was certainly not viable outside his mother's womb. You are saying it was okay if Laci wanted to kill him, but murder because Scott killed Laci and therefore terminated Connor's life at the same time?
Try telling a pregnant woman who WANTS her child the instant she finds out she is pregnant, that that child will not become a child and is only alive like a plant or an animal until it takes a breath. Tell her that when she mourns if she loses it, oh it wasn't a child anyway, it was an embyronic sac so get over it. Two women, 6 weeks along, one wants it, one doesn't. One knows it is alive and can't wait for it to be born. The other one wants to abort it. What makes the wanted child anymore alive than the unwanted child? Nothing, because they are BOTH alive. You can justify it in the name of choice if you want to. Just call it what it is. You want a woman to have the right to kill the living child within her, because her choice trumps the child's right to live. I just don't happen to agree.
I did notice this also and never did before. Can anyone recall? nm
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And you know, Zville, as I recall, at one
point in his life, Mr. Obama was addicted to some form of illegal drug, and I don't believe it was a prescription drug. I don't recall if he ever went through any type of rehab or not like Rush did.
I don't recall MTPockets
saying they were leaving the board. Just saying goodbye to others who were leaving. I think several of us on this board could grow up a bit. This is getting ridiculous. Enough already and let's discuss important things instead of this elementary drama.
I don't recall ever sayin that
I agreed with the Bush administration 100% either. I'm not a pub. I'm an independent who personally thinks that our government has a whole is doing a p!ss poor job. Bush and Cheney weren't perfect by any means but they are out of the White House now. They cannot be blamed for the bad decisions Obama makes during his administration.
I don't recall saying I was on the left. Newsflash:
Do you recall the pre-Patriot Act world?
when diverse viewpoints were at our fingertips and not dictated by Mega-Media outlets riding around in the pockets of political status quo? Not only has this dummed down American audiences nationwide, but it has been a direct assault on the democratic process.
Patriot Act provisions:
1. Law enforcement agencies authorized (and sometimes forced) to search telephone, e-mail communications, medical, financial and other records without a warrant. This has been exercised against their own citizens, the most recent instance being voyeuristic easedropping on intimate conversations between American troops serving in Iraw and their spouses...right to privacy in 1st, 4th and 5th admendments notwithstanding.
2. Eased restrictions on foreign intelligence gathering within the United States. This has allowed them to expand their definition of terrorisim to include individuals and groups exercising their 1st amendment right to redress the government via political dissent.
3. Expanded the Secretary of the Treasury's authority to regulate financial transactions, particularly those involving foreign individuals and entities. An example of this would be freezing funds of a first generation natural born citizens sending money to their family members who still live overseas.
4. Enhances the discretion of law enforcement and immigration authorities in detaining and deporting SUSPECTED (not proven) of terrorism-related acts. This has not worked out well for many perfectly innocent citizens and permanent residents whose only crime is to have a Moslem name.
5. The act also expands the definition of terrorism to include domestic terrorism, thus enlarging the number of activities to which the USA Patriot Act’s expanded law enforcement powers can be applied.
Abuse of the Patriot Act has been rife and is the stuff of legend, as is the controversy that surrounds it. The erosion of civil right stemming from this one piece of legislation is breath-taking, but the mindset that created it....even more so. I will be voting for a candidate that shows at least some sort of awareness of civil rights. Those are the freedoms I worry about.
Really? I don't recall seeing his pinky finger.
He's only showed us his middle one.
I don't recall Obama making
any promises to the gay and lesbian community. He himself is against same sex marriage.
As for this healthcare BS.....when it comes to pass and it isn't as great as he professed it to be and we are getting taxed out of the ying yang to pay for it....I'm sure many will be ready to get rid of Obama and any fellow cronies on the dem party. So don't count your chickens before they hatch.
As for the promises he has broken. Gitmo is still open. We are still in Iraq and now in Afgan. He promises he wouldn't raise taxes on 95% of Americans which is a downright lie especially if he is going to pay for this healthcare plan of his. He said lobbyists wouldn't have a place in his administration and yet he appointed some. Obama is nothing but a liar. The reason a lot of people still love Obama is because the mainstream media continues to portray Obama as doing no wrong. If some of these people would actually pay attention to what is going on and actually do a little research as well as lay off the kool-aid.....I'm sure more people would not be satisfied with Barry.
P.S. I don't recall anyone posting a near death threat to the
remote to that.
Why is it you are the only ones who are "free" to display your anger on your board?
If you take a look at the posts on this board, the only time they get nasty is when a troll from your board comes here and begins spewing your hatred and rage.
Why are you so angry? Your guy won.
Whenever a liberal raises an issue concerning a Bush administration policy or decision, I seldom see an intelligent thoughtful response come from most of you. Instead you attack the poster on a personal level when that poster never personally attacked YOU. They complained about Bush. Are you BUSH??
Time and time again, most of you come back with "all liberals" insults and rarely, if ever, address the question or issue that was raised.
If you can begin to understand that it isn't YOU PERSONALLY that we are referring to, maybe then we can begin to have an intelligent conversation on this board.
If you are a conservative, I respect your right to your opinions, and I'd like to learn more about them. I can't do that if all you do is throw insults, which you are "free" to do on your board, but if we are angered or insulted by them, we are not likewise "free" to express that.
I had hoped that these new boards would eliminate the personal favorites that seemed to exist on the other board. Looks like that isn't the case.
And as far as approaching the administrator about fairness, if I can't do that, then I truly don't belong in a forum like this one. I belong in one that doesn't play favorites, where intelligent discourse can occur, where personal insults and attacks are prohibited for everyone, not just for some.
I just wonder how many people you've chased away from here, besides me.
seem to recall someone else protecing herself again a WITCH...haha
hmmm, real sound judgment there. So if Palin wins and decides to seek advice from shamans or witchdoctors, you are okay with that?
I recall Bush on a train with the press
not long after the 2004 election stating that he had 3 1/2 years to go...with a heavy sigh, thoroughly disgusted me. He should have recused himself then, and we would have been much better off.
I don't recall saying I was right or left for that matter. What happened to your ability to sm
consider that and not label?
If I recall, Mahatma Ghandi resided in the country...
where the fighting was going on that he protested against. He did not move to, say, the US and bus to DC and protest and then bus back to home sweet home safe and sound. I challenge you and the other *peace* protestors to PLEASE stop preaching to the choir. It is idiotic to say that anyone (other than terrorists who seem to) WANT war. I certainly do not want war. I certainly do not want to have citizens killed 3000 in one day either or to allow my way of life (and yours) endangered by peaceniks. Umm....try dropping daisy in the barrel of a terrorist gun. See how far that gets you. You do not have to convince me peace is better when nations can live in harmony. Problem with that, Lurker, is that all the nations involved need to be of one mind. Despite what is being portrayed by many of the peaceniks posting, we did not bring 9-11 on ourselves. It was a cowardly, craven attack. You need to convince the people who are the real threat to that peace..the terrorists. Tehran. Kim Jong Il...picky any of them to start. Go to their capitals and protest and carry your signs. Talk to THEM about giving peace a chance. If you are serious about it, do something more than carry a sign and sing silly songs.
As to supporting the troops but not the mission...the person who wrote that opinion piece has no clue. There are a good many people who do join the military for purely patriotic reasons and because they love their country. A good many joined after 9-11 for that very reason. I will try one more time to make the point. When you do not support the mission, when you protest and hold signs that 9-11 was an inside job, that the President of The United States lied them into the fight, that they are fighting and dying for a lie, fighting and dying for nothing, ...if you think that does not affect morale and is anything but hurtful to the real live human beings with feelings putting their lives on the line for this country that they swore to defend against enemies....helllooooo. That is NOT in any way, shape, or form supporting. And you don't seem to give a rat's patootie what effect it has on them. In fact, it seems like you could not care less. Because, in case you and your peacenik friends don't realize it, they are there and they are staying there for the forseeable future. Why is it sooo hard for you to just support them while they are there? For people who are supposed to really care about others....that shows an amazing lack of empathy. Common decency should keep you from doing that while they are still over there.
Saw the spot in the NY Times about the protestor spitting on the disabled veteran. Way to go, support the troops!
Tell me again how noble the protest is. Get off the bus and on a plane to terrorist central. Talk to them. They may not doubt your sincerity as much as I do.
I recall junior high being full of tattle-tales.
Speak for yourself.
I'm not reading it and here's why. SM
*Breaking News from the Progressive Community* is not exactly unbiased now is it?
Yes, and while you are reading it...
look very closely at "here is where things get murky. Bill CLinton, Sandy Berger, and Richard Clarke all denied..."
Good grief. Bill Clinton committed felony perjury. Yes, i am going to believe him...NOT. Sandy "socks" Berger...am I going to believe him...not hardly. Richard Clarke...you have GOT to be kidding. The man who confessed that HE was the one who first outed Valerie Plame.
Factcheck.org left a lot out of their fact checking. And saying it doesn't matter anyway because they couldn't prove he had not done anything wrong yet...the three above obviously aren't concerned about truth. Fact remains, he had the chance, he did not take it, and if bin laden had been in jail or a CIA prison somewhere he could not have plotted and financed 9-11.
Nice try, but I don't buy it. Didn't then, don't now.
Okay, Sam, I did some reading....
I read your response and I thought maybe I don't know the difference so I went looking and everything I can find makes those two out to be the same thing...
**McCain has made opposition to pork-barrel spending a central theme of his 2008 campaign. "Earmarking deprives federal agencies of scarce resources, at the whim of individual members of Congress," McCain has said.
**Three times in recent years, McCain's catalogs of "objectionable" spending have included earmarks for this small Alaska town, requested by its mayor at the time -- Sarah Palin.
**"So while Sen. McCain was going after cutting earmarks in Washington," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, "Gov. Palin was going after getting earmarks."
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,2482434.story
Now, I am sorry, but to me they are the same thing. Again, as I have said before, I am not being hateful - I am truly trying to grasp what the difference is.
Reading what he says is..
more enjoyable than listening to him. I sometimes want to listen to what he has to say, but he sounds so whiney and preachy I can't stand it. He's kind of way out there, but I do see his point on some things. So, thanks for posting the link.
And yet....there you are reading...LOL.
You guys are so petty its ridiculous.
Oh, believe you me not into reading about her
I saw this on CNN's front page as I scanned over some stories. Let me explain why you think she scares the loonies. Anyone who does not seem to have the intelligence of a dingbat and yet has people voting for her because of her looks, her clothing, whatever the cause was, now that is the scary part.I answered email from lady in Tennessee, a bible-thumping rightwinged holy-roller and she was almost scary in her adoration of Palin. From her first news interviews (well, the 1 or 2 that she actually did, the camp tried to keep her under lock and key) I certainly thought what in the world was that old white only mostly repubs trying to do. I never thought she was any kind of political heavy and now with her tit and TAT back and forth with her almost son-in-law, just proves it even further. I fully think before long they will be more at each other's throats with lawsuits and what have you. Just sitting back watching the implosion.
Have you not been reading? NO I SM
DO NOT SUPPORT my son in this lifestyle. I made that plain. If there are kids who have been killed by homosexuals and not getting any press, that is the fault of the press, not your fault or mine. I agree there is an agenda to push homosexuality down our throats. I don't want it. By the same token, AGAIN, there are homosexuals being killed because they are homosexuals. Are the kids being killed because they are kids or because the sickos (whether straight or homosexuals) just want to kill them, anybody, child adult whatever.
I do not say anything because I have a son who is homosexual, he knows how I feel and his father and I make no bones about it so you have no right to even come across like that lady. I do not have my head in the sand. I believe my son is committing a sin. He does not bring that lifestyle around his father and I or the rest of his family.
Hmmmmmmm let me guess, you are one of the parents who would disown your child because he was gay? Would you disown him for any other sin or would you tell him you don't want taht around you and make sure he knows exactly how you feel.
You are a hippocrit Patty!
I cannot believe that I'm reading such
ignorance as I am from some of you people. You talk about how torturing terrorists is serious and how horrible. Poor wittle terrorists.....tear. Yet you seem to forget that these terrorists want YOU dead and would sooner cut your head off than look at you. Give me a break and spare me your pathetic comments. I'm done talking to you terrorist sympathizers. God forbid any of these terrorists should bomb any place you are at because you might think differently when you are being blown up...that is if you have the time to think about it. Goodnight. I'm tired of this BS.
Actually, the way I am reading it is the media is DOING it. SM
Looking for some dirt. That's the way I read the article. Time will tell I guess.
reading my mind too?
LMAO! Nope, I dont care, not at all, LOL, gee you are able to read peoples minds too, hun? Attack number one trillion against gt, LOL.
Yes! Reading your posts is EXACTLY like that!
How insightful of you (as opposed to your customary *incitefulness*).
Try reading this site. SM
You might also learn what actions of the prostestors during VN had on the soldiers who fought there then, just as they are now.
I am looking forward to reading
Stephen Colbert's book "I am America and so can you." I got a little preview this morning on Tim Russert. It promises to be a delicious, laugh-out-loud satire.
to mtstudent. I have been reading
your posts with interests and I can't help but feel this is way more personal than just principle. I guess I am partly to blame if someone close to you has gone to jail for breaking the law, because I am one of those wanting stricter laws or at least enforcement of the ones we have. and I don't want to see any more cops punished for upholding the laws. I regret it and cringe everytime I hear one of them is no better than than those he arrests because it makes it hard on the plentiful good cops out there. It has not escaped my attention that you repeatedly refer to the "poor black men". Excuse me? I am afraid blacks don't hold the title to this one. There are plenty of poor men and women in jail. I do feel sorry for a lot of them - I also feel sorry for people who did not have enough sense to stay away from drugs and screwed up their lives and for especially for those families who have tried to help them and failed at great price. I also feel sorry for the children they leave behind without parenting or for the lack of parenting they themselves may not have had. I also feel sorry for people with maxed out credit card debt who can't seem to claw their way back out. I was almost one of them, but never again. We thought back in the 60's that education about sex, birth control and drugs was the answer and apparently, we were dead wrong. I just don't see any improvement at all. Noted the comments about abortion and such on this very board, but no one brings up the fact some people don't want abortion or birth control, because it is a pay raise everytime they have another kid. I am afraid that is our fault as a society even though we thought they needed help at the time, it apparently has bred a whole nother way of thinking that was unforeseen and had led to apathy, laziness and greed. Yeah, I know it helped plenty, but there are certainly plenty of stories about single mother who raised 6 to 8 kids alone working 2 to 3 jobs and ended up with a houseful of lawyers and doctors and such. I know one such woman myself with 8 kids who has never been on welfare. It is a matter of pride with her and I applaud her for it. Honestly, I don't know how she did it when their father either was on the street dealing or in jail. In fact, she had to buy groceries as needed because he would break in and steal food from their kids. It just kinda bothers me you seem to have sympathy for only the poor black men of this country and I can only surmise there is a far more personal event going on here. I am sorry for your personal misery, but we have to get a handle on the drugs in this country instead of building them a highway from Mexico to deliver them on.
Are you reading the tabloids? You
can't possibly believe that story...and if you do, it just proves how gullible many people are.
Exactly what I said below......smut reading
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It's too bad you stopped reading...sm
Sam brings up valid, positive points, and those on the left turn her off, rather than listen to the truth, because it comes from her.
She isn't bitter at all. It always sounds like the left is, when dealing with her, rather than listen to the truth, even when you expounded so much on the facts. If the facts bear up the right, they must not be facts, are therefore ignored.
Anything of substance she's reading from the
She is very nervous obviously.
after reading this, I qualify what I said above...
Obama is not a communist YET. He is in the socialist stage.
A course in reading comprehension
would not be a bad thing. Read all my posts and I have said I would rather take a chance on Obama than McCain. Furthermore, I had said that I would vote AGAINST McCain, never FOR Obama. Think what you want. I don't deal in smoke screens. I say what I mean and mean what I say. Again, I would prefer an Obama administration over a McCain administration....true. What I would really like to see is a Lou Dobbs type person, a voice of reason in the White House. Count on it........I will write in Lou Dobbs and I KNOW that is a wasted vote but I am voting my conscience......the best any of us can do.
No the election has not been held. Bad times ahead either way.........McCain has incited hatred of Obama..........if McCain wins....think Black Power and how unhappy they're going to be. A no win situation. I FEAR blood shed either way.
So there ya go..........any questions?
Reading comprehension
I SAID see how rumors get started. Draw your own conclusions. When references are cited, yes, I believe them once I have checked them out.
VOTING FOR LOU DOBBS!!!!!
what part of reading don't you get?
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I have been reading this post with
interest; amazing how we can agree on a lot of points. The comment from gp about old time democrats is often heard here, the trouble is that the parties have more or less changed places. The image of a guntoting bible thumping redneck used to be a bubba in his pickup who was a democrat, now it is a republican. From what I have been listening to the last year or so on late night and daytime radio, you are right, we are all screwed. supposedly, there are 350,000 UN troups already in place here. I believe they will be used to gather up all the guns. After that, we are sitting ducks like Australia, whose crime rate escalated over 300% the first year alone. We already have states who have made it against the law to defend yourself or children in your own home. Amazing. We have not been involved enough the last 20-30 years with our children's education, happily leaving it to others who mostly happen to be liberals. I understand a religious person can never hope to attain a spot somewhere like the Smithsonian; they are all agnostics now. Just saying what I have heard; can't verify. I am very afraid the wagons have already been circled and we just did not know we were in the center. Starting to suspect stronger each day that the whole election is a set up that goes back decades; they were just waiting for the star of the show to come along (Obama), not even that sure about McCain anymore. Furious over the bailout. Think how Clinton pardoned Ayers, how much he and O reportedly can't stand each other, yet he and H are out campaigning for him for the Party, of course. Death penalty: I suspect a lot more of us would be happy with Life meaning life imprisonment as opposed to death sentence, if it were really a life sentence and not a few years instead. Well, this election is almost over; my hopes are not very high given all the current events. Like an old friend used to say, "I just don't know what's to become of us all". Keep up the interesting posts, ladies.
Try reading up on a subject
See post under sam's blather.
I loved reading that
I still don't understand why Obama singled out Pennsylvanians with those statements. Does anybody know why who follows this stuff "religiously" (dare I use the word)?
Reading your posts
I do not see the intelligence, much less the literacy.
and why was that worth reading?
I got nothing from that except that it is one more person who does not like Obama.
There was nothing in there that was not just one person's personal viewpoint - an obvious McCain supporter.
Me too! That was great reading. nm
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Get your reading glasses
and examine the document for yourself. I do believe Factcheck is pretty reliable. You are not going to accept anything short of Obama being declared a non-citizen and that just ain't gonna happen.
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