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Bush is the one that CAUSED this economic meltdown.

Posted By: nm on 2008-12-17
In Reply to: Totally unfair. Bush is the only one trying - to HELP them at this point.nm

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We are broke now in an economic meltdown and
post-911 mindset. There is only one way out for those who look forward to what lays beyond that quagmire. I'll give you a hint. It does not involve a right turn.
I prefer the definition of economic meltdown.
Ignore it and your campaign will go down in flames.
In the current economic meltdown....he has to inspire confidence...
fortunately for me, I am reaping the benefits of one of his agendas. I would be absolutely THRILLED if he can accomplish it all within the time limits he has imposed upon himself - but, he has an army of congress to aid our progress - how much will the pubs obstruct? I guess we will have to wait to see. I could pisss in my cheerios and embrace your negativity but I'd rather go to bed and have fabulous sex with my husband - we have something to celebrate.
Wrong. Democrats are responsible for the mortgage meltdown, not Bush....
McCain tried to tell them in 2005...Dems blocked the regulation he begged for for Fannie/Freddie. But the Dems were too deep in the pockets...Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick, James Johnson, Timothy Howard...all democrats, all walked away from fannie Mae with golden parachutes of millions...and we are left holding the bag. Fannie contributed more to Chris Dodd, Democratic head of Banking and COmmerce committe than any other senator in the past 20 years...followed closely by Barack Obama, who has only been IN the senate for 2 years...you do the math and follow the money. Democrats largely responsible for this. ANd you want to put one in the white house. Who wants to raise taxes in this financial crisis. What part of collapse of the economy don't you...and Mr. Obama...understand?
The present crisis was not caused by Bush or McCain...
both approached the Democrats a total of 4 times trying to get Fannie/Freddie regulated. We can't afford Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank, AND a Democratic president. Whatever else Bush is or is not, he is NOT responsible for this current financial MESS.
Hello?! 8 years of Bush cratered the country & caused this
nightmare in the first place. They are all frantically trying to keep us from another Great Depression caused by Bush & republican control. I personally think the damage runs so deep that it can't be stopped in time, but at least they're trying! Maybe next time the idiots will remember what Bush & his cronies have done & will be smarter than to vote republican...
Not to mention that the "Jihaad" holy war itself was caused directly from Daddy Bush having to
rush in with Desert Storm in order to secure the oil wells, securing the oil for all his oil baron friends and himself. Bin Laden himself said that when we rushed in, we had "tainted" Muslim soil and felt he had to retaliate. Of course, these are the ravings of a madman, but Bush policies directly inflamed the already hostile Taliban fighters. Also, the Bush and Bin Laden families have a long history in the business world, and the night of September 11th, the government made it pssible for Bin Laden family members in this country to flee and not face retaliation........please look it up in the newgroups, I have seen many amazing documentaries about these facts on Discovery, History Channel, Military Channel, and some of the news channels.
I have been wondering when Bush is going to announce an economic emergency. sm
I have been trying to draw people into discussing the economy. People do not respond. I do not know if it is denial or they do not understand.
Poll: In current economic, social and economic

The  IDEA of:



  1. Full employment.

  2. Shorter work week.

  3. Guaranteed minimum wage income for all adults.

  4. Universal social benefits to include health care, child care, vacation time and lifelong access to education and training.

  5. Programs to ensure gender equality.

  6. Democratization of our banking and financial system, including popular election for those in charge of public sterwardship in the banking system.

  7. Employees control over their own pension assets.

  8. Alternative financial institutions controlled by local community members (similar to credit unions). 

Chris is on the way to a meltdown
Not only was he rude but he's getting worse and worse as the democrats ratings keep dropping. Talk about a pit bull (without lipstick). He's attacking his guests not giving them a chance to answer the questions. That's not "pinning someone to the wall like a bug". That's just rude. He should ask the guest a question, let him answer, and then respond to his answer. To badger and not let your guest answer a question you ask while giving free reighn (sp?) to the democratic guest is just pure horse hockey. After today I no longer watch his show. I want some truth and clear cut answers and I believe every guest should be allowed to answer a question in full without the host bullying him (which by the way I do not believe Obama called Sarah a pig). Still is no excuse for Mathews to act like that. He's supposed to be a host and treat both sides fairly. That he does not do. He did this to other guests and luckily they said to him let me answer your question. MSNBCs ratings are going down the tube and they just lost one more viewer.
It's a meltdown, and heads are starting

to explode!


Okay....let's see...McCain picked the financial meltdown...
as the #1 issue. OBama picked his run for the Presidency. Meaning he is always going to put Barack first. McCain put his country first. End of story.
The candidate who runs from the economy during a meltdown
it is plain to see which side of the fence the hate is coming from.
I cannot figure what ever caused you to
have such deep hatred for Republicans, especially President Bush. It certainly isn't anything he ever did as president as your posts indicate that your hatred for him began at his first inauguration. I also get the feeling that you will never be able to let it go, as you constantly bring it up in almost every post you make. The major difference between you two that stands out is that he is a Christian and you are an atheist. He does not believe in abortion and you chose to have one. Maybe you have a guilt problem that you are trying to overcome before you can move on?

However, I can't see how you can use your hatred for Bush to justify Obama speaking to the French town hall meeting and, essentially, telling the world that America is not special to him and that Europe is the greatest nation. How can you say that is doing an awesome job?
Fact remains....McCain saw this meltdown coming....
and the Dems would not listen. They did not want to upset the golden apple cart. And we the people are left holding the bag. Do I want one of them in the white house while we are trying to work our way out of this? No way, no how, nobama.
It was too lenient on the ones that caused this mess (sm)

That's why it didn't pass last week. It was too one-sided.


 


Some of this is a rescue caused by those buying
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I hate to say it but BOTH parties caused it!
Wake up, America.
My post below that caused such a stink........sm

I have asked that this post be removed because it apparently was really upsetting to some people.  While I normally don't post like I did below, I did it for what I had hoped would be a shock value, but it backfired on me.  I had hoped that my shock value would be that it would get some people to understand my position, but that didn't happen.  Therefore, I decided to ask the moderators to remove it. 

I believe everyone knows my position on gay marriage and abortion as I have stated them numerous times on this forum, so I will try to refrain from responding to any posts involving those issues, at least whether as to whether they are right or wrong.  Moral issues will always be that....moral issues...and are viewed through the individual's moral lens or compass.  I cannot change any one's to match mine, nor can anyone change mine to match their's.  Let's just leave it at that. 


If the sky falls, it wil be because Obama caused it
Just because someone doesn't LOVE your precious Obama, does not mean we are the pot stirring trolls as you call it. You want to believe Acorn is wonderful, well go ahead; just remember, free speech is exactly what Obama is trying to do away with.

You won't even be able to sit here and write your garbage much longer if he has his way.
I'm sorry, you are aware of what caused the financial crisis aren't you?
or you will just blame BUSH BUSH BUSH/CHENEY.

Please, do some research.

If my memory serves me, it started going downhill when a democratic congress took over.

Not only that, this MORTGAGE crisis was set into effect by the CLINTON administration and helped by a DEMOCRATIC congress.

Now let me be clear, I do not think Bush was a great president and he made mistakes, but DO NOT tell me that this financial crisis was his doing. I know you are going to flame me, but don't ignore the facts! Actually, that's what liberals do so nevermind, go ahead anyway.
No dupa - the shrub caused the crash and burn.......
Memory loss can signify medical issues which need to be attended to. Also, delusions can spell multiple significant issues which need to be addressed ASAP. Go with God.
White people with blue eyes caused this
According to Brazil's President "White people with blue eyes causes the economic crisis".

Glad I've got hazel eyes. Whew! Glad to know it's not my fault.



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Economic Downfall sm
When you have 5 minutes, watch this; it's causing quite a "furor" in the online community! =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNmcf4Y3lGM

Economic definitions.............
Recession is when your neighbor loses his job.

Depression is when you lose yours.

Recovery is when Obama loses his.
McCain economic plan...

Click on the individual windows to get the complete plan. 


http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/jobsforamerica/


Don't agree. His economic plan will...
kill what economy is left. How do you give 95% of the country a tax cut when nowhere near that many even pay taxes? He will add a trillion or more to the deficit with all his plans...and how is he going to pay for that with even less tax money coming in? Oh I forgot...he is going to tax those making over $250,000. Which will kill jobs from small businesses who are S corporations (there are thousands of those) and file their income taxes personally and not as a business. Oh well. That's just what they get for being successful...they lose their business or have to downsize. Thank you so much, Mr. Obama. That will put even more people in the lower class because of job losses. If ANYone is going to divide into rich and lower class and no in between, it is Obama.
ACORN is definitely an economic issue.....
When thousands of fraudulent voters are going to the polls being counted as a vote, even though they do not truly exist in the first place, and Obama gets elected due to voter fraud, which he himself has paid to help enforce, how do you not see that as affecting our economy?

The majority of those dumb enough to help with the fraud are sadly enough easily led individuals who can't think for themselves and just do what they are told. They help to put a man in office who is going to tax them even more and they don't have the sense to know it! You don't think that affects your economy?

By the way, I am Independent.. McCain does't rock my boat either but Obama makes me want to puke!
Obama's economic plan.......
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Probably appointing economic team...

It may seem that he's acting a little early, but given the economic state of this country, I don't think that's such a bad thing.


He also has a parent-teacher meeting just before that...good for him!


Obama not going to attend economic
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Obama's economic plan
Number one, thanks for a thoughtful, relevant topic.

Number two, Obama's plan starts with rolling back the tax breaks for the wealthy that the Bush administration enacted to pre-Bush status and not make them permanent. A big step in the right direction would also be to tax the stratospheric earnings of equity-fund managers as income at 35% rather than as capital gains at 15% (they can surely afford it) and penalize them for moving their funds offshore.

Number three, all bets are off the table in light of the current GLOBAL economic crisis. The Obama administration will be so busy putting out fires they didn't start that it'll be difficult to enact any long-term or short-term economic plan. I know healthcare is a sore subject, but it's a potentially huge stimulus for middle-class folks, and huge stimuli are needed in times of severe GLOBAL recession.
Our economic situation is in no way as simple as that...wish it were!.....sm
What Mr. Rogers (love the name!) does not take into account in this equation is that in our particular case, which he did not forsee before his death, I believe, is much different. There are many hardworking, ethical, proud Americans who are very reluctantly receiving "handouts" from the government because there ARE NO JOBS to be had, the bills are due, the house is on the auction block, cannot afford medicine for a sick child, food for a starving family, heat and shelter....there are definitely people who abuse the system and use it as their piggy bank, but nowadays it can be me, you, your neighbor, anyone, no matter how many years you have worked hard, no matter how you have tried, we are in a crisis of almonst UNPRECEDENTED proportions, and still gettin worse. As for the rich, please do not get me started....TAKE from them???? don't you think that they are robbing all the American People and the System when they use all types of tax loopholes not to pay their fair share of taxes, when they move operations overseas for cheap labor and once again to avaid American taxes, when they pay lobbyists, who pay politicians, to look the other way in Congress on bills that would hurt big business but might HELP Amerfican workers???? Okay, I could go on, but I guess you get the idea how this poster feels about that particular quote. All for freedom, yes. But Free Enterprise has become the Evil Empire, as in Star Wars, (okay, hokey analogy!), and until we get that particular 2000 pound elephant out of the room and roasted, we are sunk as a nation.
I used the last economic stimulus check
It was costing me about $25 in quarters every time I went to the laudromat. Not to mention gasoline and time spent not typing. I used the $600 to buy myself a portable washing machine (attaches to sink in kitchen when in use) and a portable drier. They use very little electricity. Washer uses very little water (good thing, now that we're in a major drought), and only a teaspoon of detergent per load. So it's nice to no longer have to pay at the pump and at the 'mat!

Lots of ways to cut down costs and giving our money to the government in taxes. I now pay all my bills online. Costs me nothing. Saves me a stamp (the price of which is going up AGAIN this spring), and the use of a check that i had to pay to have printed.

If they want to send me another $400, I'm sure not gonna complain. As a single renter with no kids, I have ZERO tax breaks. Last year, the I overpaid and Calif. OWED me $300. Then they very conveniently 're-figured' my taxes, and sent me a letter saying I actually made LESS MONEY than I had put on my return, and by their calculations, they didn't owe me anything. (???) If I made less money, but still overpaid the same amount in taxes, shouldn't they owe me MORE? Needless to say, if I owe them this year, they might just be getting a $300 IOU. They can spend their bailout money collecting it from me.
Please share your ideas for economic
What do you think would be the best course of action?
Well, O had the Economic Summit today and

the stock market is tanking again. It's down to -212. I have never seen the INDP as low as today at 7154. I think part of it is because they talked about nationalizing CitiGroup and Bank of America.


We all gonna drown. Hope you all have a life jacket.


And your solution to the economic crisis is???? (nm)
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McCains Top 10 economic crisis strategies.

10.   Blissful ignorance.  "The economy is not my strong suit."


 9.    Ridicule.  In an interview with the Washington Post on 07/9/2008, McCain advisor and national campaign general co-chair Senator Phil Gramm was defining McCain's plans to reform the U.S. economy.  Gramm explained the nation was not in a recession, stating, "You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," and "We have sort of become a nation of whiners, you just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline."  This would be the same Phil Gramm of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which allowed commercial and investment banks to consolidate.  The legislation allowed Swiss Bank UBS to purchase several American institutions. Gramm later became a lobbyist for UBS, collecting over 750,000 USD in fees. UBS alone issues over 18 Billion USD in subprime mortgages.  


 8.    Denial.  Black Monday, 09/15/2008.  John McCain:  "The fundamentals of our economy are still sound."  A worldwide stock market crash occurred as Lehman Brothers filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy and major investment bank Merrill Lynch was sold to Bank of America. Dow Jones Industrial Average lost more than 500 points, which is the biggest point drop (up to that point) since September 2001.  FTSE 100 dropped 212 points, and it was the biggest one-day percentage drop since January 21, 2008. Hong Kong, Japan and Korea stock market suspended that day due to public holiday, and they fell over 5% on the following day.   Two weeks later, we had a blacker Monday (09/29/2008) with a 777.68 point drop on the Dow Jones Industrial Average.


 7.    Political grandstanding.  Announcement of suspending his campaign to return to DC to "lead" Congress during economic bail-out negotiations.  This effort led to a defeat of the measure when the votes were cast.  Tried unsuccessfully to use the bailout as an excuse to postpone the presidential debate.  


 6.    Flip-Flop.  Claims to support regulation.  Record says otherwise. 


 5.    Incoherence.  Threatens to fire the chairman of the SEC if he were in office, even though the president does not have the authority to do so.   


 4.    Theft of intellectual property.  Claiming previously existing mortgage buy-out proposal as his own. 


 3.    Avoid / change the subject.  Greg Strimple, a McCain top advisor:  If we keep talking about the economy, we will lose." 


 2.    Engage the politics of division, hate, fear mongering and cultural warfare with high-gear Obama smear campaign:  Ayers, ACORN, Farrakhan, Rev Jeremiah Wright, Barack Hussein Obama, etc.      


 1.    McCain’s send message to voters is to stop whining about the economy and start focusing on attacking Obama.


Obama's economic crisis strategy...
Vote for the bailout....and nothing else.  Zip, zilch, nada.   Oh, except echo Harry Reid, and I quote:  "Nobody knows what to do about this."  Well, no **** Sherlock.  And STILL doesn't know.  Not a clue.  All he can say is middle class tax cuts and watch the thrills run up peoples' legs.  Would be funny if it weren't so.....
This post is about a coherent as JM's economic plan.
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Perhaps you could enlighten us on the economic crisis suffered by
There is nothing in your chart or context that convincingly explains away the $559 billion dollar surplus Clinton left behind when his term came to an end.

Having said that, most Americans will agree that, when compared to the past 8 years, the middle class enjoyed a prosperous decade in the 90s. I was able to pay off my condo, so it has been foreclosure-proof under W.
Barney Frank is to blame for the economic
BUT, Barney Frank is to blame for the corrupt government interference in mortgages and forcing banks to loan to people who by no means had any business trying to buy a home!!

Barney Frank has been in Congress since 1981. He has been the head of the Financial Services Committee and has been in charge of pushing all these government regulations onto banks.....

LETS CALL IT LIKE IT IS!!! He's a corrupt SOB and he needs to be kicked out of there! And now he dares to come across suddenly acting as if he is doing EVERYTHING he can to get the banking business flowing again! BULL! He's got them just where he wants them, indebted to the government. WHat happens next? Government run banks....... socialism......governments lending YOU, the citizen, monies, owning you, your family, and everything else in your life.......you need to do YOUR HOMEWORK!
Yes, a start, but economic studies have shown that these will be....sm
long-term down the road, and we are sinking way too fast. I do agree with the grener approach, I am a "tree hugger" from way back, participated in some of the "no Nuke" protest, and am an active member of Save The Bay, as our state is right on the bay, almost an island, and this has been for the past two decades. I guess I am eager for O to stop catering to politics, even though I know it comes with the job, roll up the sleeves, and really get to the meat and bones of the stimulus package, this country is HUNGRY! Did you catch Lisa Ling's National Geographic docomentary on the new homeless shown on Oprah? That truly made me cry, because a decade ago my family was close to being one of them, I cry for the children, "bleeding heart Democrat" that I am at heart!
you don't follow politics/economic very closely then
First - signs were not hateful. Signs were truthful but the Kool-aid drinkers don't want to admit it. You consider calling us teabaggers, hillbillies, and rednecks as perfectly fine, but the minute someone points out that he is following the same path as socialist leaders you label that as "hate". What's worse is other countries are pointing it out too, not just Americans. Unfortunately it's the truth no matter whether you want to believe it or not. Last night I was watching a special about Hitler and his henchmen, and how a lot of people think he escaped. Well listing to the people talk about what he and his henchman did, I kept thinking...wait a minute...that's going on right now - (no not the genocide thing), but the way they ran their government back then. The reason you might have seen those signs on Fox was because there were no other channels covering it. BSNBC and the Communist News Network didn't cover it. Our local channels didn't cover it either. Between 250,000 to 300,000 people attended and they pretended nothing happened. What's amazing is they'll cover a story of some ducks crossing a road in some town I've never heard of, or some little kiddy motor scooter race in another unknown town, but over 2000 cities host the tea parties where there are peaceful demonstrations because people are unhappy with the government and they are excersing their right to freedom of speech (you remember the same things democrats were fighting and pushing for when Bush was in office). But there comes a double standard when only democrats can do it but republicans and independents are suppose to remain subservient and not say anything and let us be starved and unemployed and lose our homes and have to go live in shelters and we're suppose to be happy and never say anything???

As for inciting hate and racism...that is exactly what BSNBC is doing when they have Keith Olbermann show or Rachel Maddow or Chris Matthews. And then to have people like J Gorofool speak her utter hatred and racism and stupidity is unleashed. Now what she and Olbermann and the other clowns at BSNBC do...that there is inciting hate and racism. Pure and simple, no two ways about it. Why don't you actually watch Fox news before critising it. There is no hate and racism. What is racist about saying... I'm sick of congress and government taxing me to death, sending my job overseas, and I'm now having to foreclose on my house. I'm tired of them taking my money in taxes which I have no control over and they are spending it on themselves and their friends. What is racist about that???
Was the Dems economic fallout. Economy was fine
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McCain's top economic advisor says we are in a "mental depression" sm

and additionally says that we are a nation of "whiners.' McCains top economic advisor is Phil Gramm.


How do you feel about these remarks? Additionally have you or someone you know been experiencing tough times in the last year?


More on Barney Frank...he is SO dirty in this economic mess....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,432501,00.html
Those were economic stimulus checks...a one-time deal.
what Obama is proposing is NOT a one-time deal. It will be part of the tax code. BIG difference.
Hmmmm, preparing for the economic challenges AHEAD...

DHL said it was making the cuts to improve profitability and "to prepare the company for the economic challenges ahead."


The company said this latest action would add $1.9 billion to its restructuring costs, for a total of $3.8 billion over two years, most of it during 2008. The company said the cuts would reduce the annual operating costs of DHL U.S. Express to less than $1 billion, from its current cost of $5.4 billion.


DHL is owned by the German company Deutsche Post World Net.


The best explanation I've heard thus far for economic crisis..(sm)
The Real Deal

So who is to blame? There's plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn't fasten only on one party or even mainly on what Washington did or didn't do. As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of "layered irresponsibility ... with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role." Here's a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:


  • The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.


  • Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.


  • Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.


  • Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.


  • The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.


  • Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.


  • Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.


  • Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.


  • The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.


  • An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.


  • Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) the crisis is just political grandstanding. We have no advice to offer on how best to solve the financial crisis. But these sorts of partisan caricatures can only make the task more difficult.

–by Joe Miller and Brooks Jackson


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html


US 3 hrs away from economic and political collapse in Sept. 2008
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/9/234340/6189/142/695504