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Why don't you lay off me for a moment and pray for the people on our gulf coast...

Posted By: sam on 2008-08-31
In Reply to: Let's not. Divert, bas, name-call to ur heart's content. - Keppon posting fact, not fringe opinion. sm

they are far more important than this bickering.


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This appears to be the norm on the whole Gulf Coast

I was in Gulfport, MS before, during and after Katrina.  About a year after, all the rent on the coast went sky high (was paying $425 for an efficiency, raised it to $800).  I was working 7 days a week at two hospitals (many MTs had already left the coast), and I had to leave too, leaving them even more short handed.  There have been many articles regarding the majority of the rebuild on the coast is new casinos and high-end housing.  I have no idea how they expect anyone in the service industries to live there without affordable housing.  You cannot have tourist industry without people that support it - casino workers, fast food folk, maids, low-end hospital jobs.


What drove me nuts is the way they portrayed the people in the media - as if we were all illiterate crackheads.  I worked with many fine people at those hospitals, and it would take pages to descibe their suffering.  It disgusts me how there will always be money to accomodate the disposable income players, while the backbone of the community, hard working, serious, responsible people, were left with a trashed out house with no roof, a mortgage to pay and an insurance company that said they didn't have to give them a dime to rebuild.


Some nutcase on Art Bell/Coast to Coast says it, so it MUST be true. nm
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I pray for all those people
who do not believe in the creator of this world, the TRUE and living God. 
Ok, fine. Don't pray for the people in the path of Gustav.....
it was them I was concerned with. You guys can pile on me all you want. It just demonstrates that pile on mentality to try to quell opposition, which is about as UNdemocratIC as you can possibly be. Try to stop it for a minute to pray for those in danger and what do I get...more piling on. That says more about that attitude than I ever could.
AR, you can't remember what you were talking about from moment to moment.
Sorry for the late reply, I've been gone a week. Now AR, I have no problems admitting when I'm wrong about something. However, you STILL have not pointed out anything I said that was factually wrong. First you attack me for claiming R. Bennett was a partisan Republican, which I never did. Seeing that YOU were wrong, you then shifted gears to try and attack me to say that the Bennetts don't LIKE to be lumped together and that was what I really intended to do!! Just admit it!! LOL - sure I was speculating that they may share the same upbringing and philosophies, which is a very logical SPECULATION to make. I never said I didn't do that. That was the point of the whole post.

Arm yourself better next time and you might not come off looking like such a ninny.
Gulf of Tonkin. (see inside). SM

Yes, we were in Vietnam, but this lie told to the American people was when the Vietnam War actually began.  


30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War


Media Beat  Fairness in Reporting



Norman Solomon


Thirty years ago, it all seemed very clear.

American Planes Hit North Vietnam After Second Attack on Our Destroyers; Move Taken to Halt New Aggression, announced a Washington Post headline on Aug. 5, 1964.

That same day, the front page of the New York Times reported: President Johnson has ordered retaliatory action against gunboats and 'certain supporting facilities in North Vietnam' after renewed attacks against American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin.

But there was no second attack by North Vietnam — no renewed attacks against American destroyers. By reporting official claims as absolute truths, American journalism opened the floodgates for the bloody Vietnam War.

A pattern took hold: continuous government lies passed on by pliant mass media...leading to over 50,000 American deaths and millions of Vietnamese casualties.

The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an unprovoked attack against a U.S. destroyer on routine patrol in the Tonkin Gulf on Aug. 2 — and that North Vietnamese PT boats followed up with a deliberate attack on a pair of U.S. ships two days later.

The truth was very different.

Rather than being on a routine patrol Aug. 2, the U.S. destroyer Maddox was actually engaged in aggressive intelligence-gathering maneuvers — in sync with coordinated attacks on North Vietnam by the South Vietnamese navy and the Laotian air force.

The day before, two attacks on North Vietnam...had taken place, writes scholar Daniel C. Hallin. Those assaults were part of a campaign of increasing military pressure on the North that the United States had been pursuing since early 1964.

On the night of Aug. 4, the Pentagon proclaimed that a second attack by North Vietnamese PT boats had occurred earlier that day in the Tonkin Gulf — a report cited by President Johnson as he went on national TV that evening to announce a momentous escalation in the war: air strikes against North Vietnam.

But Johnson ordered U.S. bombers to retaliate for a North Vietnamese torpedo attack that never happened.

Prior to the U.S. air strikes, top officials in Washington had reason to doubt that any Aug. 4 attack by North Vietnam had occurred. Cables from the U.S. task force commander in the Tonkin Gulf, Captain John J. Herrick, referred to freak weather effects, almost total darkness and an overeager sonarman who was hearing ship's own propeller beat.

One of the Navy pilots flying overhead that night was squadron commander James Stockdale, who gained fame later as a POW and then Ross Perot's vice presidential candidate. I had the best seat in the house to watch that event, recalled Stockdale a few years ago, and our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets — there were no PT boats there.... There was nothing there but black water and American fire power.

In 1965, Lyndon Johnson commented: For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there.

But Johnson's deceitful speech of Aug. 4, 1964, won accolades from editorial writers. The president, proclaimed the New York Times, went to the American people last night with the somber facts. The Los Angeles Times urged Americans to face the fact that the Communists, by their attack on American vessels in international waters, have themselves escalated the hostilities.

An exhaustive new book, The War Within: America's Battle Over Vietnam, begins with a dramatic account of the Tonkin Gulf incidents. In an interview, author Tom Wells told us that American media described the air strikes that Johnson launched in response as merely `tit for tat' — when in reality they reflected plans the administration had already drawn up for gradually increasing its overt military pressure against the North.

Why such inaccurate news coverage? Wells points to the media's almost exclusive reliance on U.S. government officials as sources of information — as well as reluctance to question official pronouncements on 'national security issues.'

Daniel Hallin's classic book The Uncensored War observes that journalists had a great deal of information available which contradicted the official account [of Tonkin Gulf events]; it simply wasn't used. The day before the first incident, Hanoi had protested the attacks on its territory by Laotian aircraft and South Vietnamese gunboats.

What's more, It was generally known...that `covert' operations against North Vietnam, carried out by South Vietnamese forces with U.S. support and direction, had been going on for some time.

In the absence of independent journalism, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution — the closest thing there ever was to a declaration of war against North Vietnam — sailed through Congress on Aug. 7. (Two courageous senators, Wayne Morse of Oregon and Ernest Gruening of Alaska, provided the only no votes.) The resolution authorized the president to take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression.

The rest is tragic history.

Nearly three decades later, during the Gulf War, columnist Sydney Schanberg warned journalists not to forget our unquestioning chorus of agreeability when Lyndon Johnson bamboozled us with his fabrication of the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Schanberg blamed not only the press but also the apparent amnesia of the wider American public.

And he added: We Americans are the ultimate innocents. We are forever desperate to believe that this time the government is telling us the truth.


Nope, how about Lyndon Johnson and the Gulf of Tonkien? nm

After living on the west coast my whole life
Mississippi is like a foreign country to me!
Mandatory evac all along Texas coast. I'm hearing lots.
I live in the path of Ike.  Mandatory evac supposedly is starting around 10 a.m.  I am trying to figure out whether I am staying home or hitting road.  Whenever they come up for breath in the middle of lipstick on pigs and McCains preverted add long enough to actually name the mandatory evacation towns/cities, I'd appreciate a heads up.   
I don't believe it for a moment. sm
The fact is, he WAS the face of terror.  Knowing how cohesive the Arab world is, I don't for a moment believe there were no terrorists in Iraq. 
Well, first, I don't believe that; but, let's for a moment....
assume he did call his wife that. And again assuming IF he were so silly as to call Sarah Palin that in public, he would find himself sitting on his rear in that same public, because she would probably clock him. As long as we are talking about what if's, rumors and innuendo.
Think for a moment....
If you pay 20-25% in taxes with 60K, just how much do you think someone making 250K a year pays in taxes?

Believe me, someone making that amount of money does pay their FAIR SHARE. They are in a much higher tax bracket, MUCH HIGHER, and therefore, pays MUCH MORE in taxes. I'm always amazed at how those without a clue seem to criticize those that financially make more. Since when is that a crime? If you could, I'm certain you would too and would not feel you should be penalized for a higher income.

The higher incomes are what keep our lousy government afloat in the first place.

Taxes are relative, the more you make, the more you pay.
At this very moment

I have left the room because I cannot stand listening to Arnold Schwartznegger talk about Obama's skinny legs and scrawny arms.  Schwartznegger is a proponent of the right to choose in case you aren't aware of that.  So what is he doing campaigning with John McCain.  Another thing that is just disgusting is Hank Williams Jr. grinning and nodding in the background.


I can see, I can hear.  I respect your opinion to believe what you believe.  I DO NOT believe in abortion but your McCain must not have too much problem with it if he has Schwartznegger introducing him do ya think? 


Historical moment. We have come together
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Wow, what a mirror moment. (nm)
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I realize that. But at that particular moment, they
Seeing as how there were standing there praying for her and all. And yes, I saw the video, and yes, they DID mention witchcraft.
I am definitely going to pray
He will also get my vote. There will always be racists. They are not going to decide for me who I should vote for. I vote for the person I want, and no amount of ignorance on the part of others will sway my vote. If they are racist, that is their problem. I live in this wonderful country and can vote for my candidate of choice, as a free citizen.
I pray to God you are right.
Because everyone, news media, republicans, democrates on TV, businesses, etc., are all stating we will have to pay high taxes for at least the 100,000 mark (was 250,000) and could go down to 48,600 mark.  Biden said 120,000.  I cannot believe a word what comes out of their mouth, but I sure hope you are right.  
Yes! I pray for him............nm
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And why, pray tell, is that? sm


Must be real low on issues at the moment, huh....nm
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Agreed....my only regret at the moment...sm
...is the ton of work that just showed up on my desk from my two itsy bitsy GT accts I have, which ain't so itsy bitsy....I won't be able to be around very much for the next week, and there looks like a bunch of new topics up above, which I may have to skim later...

Take it easy....


OK, sam. Another moment in history has come to pass.
you go me ROFLMAO. LOL.
Correct if I am wrong, but at the moment this is
you can't test ANYBODY until they hold the position, can you? Having said that, there are a few things to consider here. What do you think is an appropriate response to Russia's renewed aggression of late? Does it come as any surprise that, with American military forces stretched so thin, Russia would not try to take advantage? Georgia was not aimed at Obama, now was it?

This is where viable alliances come in handy. Europe is in the neighborhood and not across the ocean from Russia. Poland, Ukraine, Georgia and other countries interested in orienting themselves toward and allying themselves with the West will naturally be viewed by Russia as open targets, vulnerable to their flexed muscles.

W has done very little in the way of preserving the value of these time-tested alliances and has held the US in the isolation that is endemic to world superpower status. A diplomat he is not and the guy seems to have a real adversion to the basic concept of diplomacy.

In stark contrast we find Obama. As far as I am concerned, he cannot get to the helm fast enough, so if anything, I take comfort in the idea that we are 76 days and counting.
I haven't but would not hesitate in a moment
The area we live in is getting overrun with thugs, drug addicts, meth heads, etc. Robberies are on the rise and a lot of them happening in the middle of the night while people sleep. Kids were caught burning down houses because "I was bored and didn't have anything else to do".

I would have no problem doing whatever it takes to protect myself and home. Anyone who enters my home illegally is a skum bag and piece of dirt and I don't consider them human so have no problem destroying the animals they are.
Ah, YESS! Thank-you! (I was having a 'senior moment',
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I hope and pray that we are not but
I fear that we are heading that way.  That is why WE need to get government under control and stop the government spending!!!!!  Not let the government take more control of things and spend spend spend more of OUR money.
What pray tell is there to be jealous of? n/m
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I pray that you will get a surprise

and your husband will be home for the birth of your first child.  I admire that you accept that it is his job.  You are a brave young lady.


Just a coincidence, my favorite Kiger Mustang mare is expecting her first foal on Feb. 21 so I'm going to be a "granny."  LOL


Take care of yourself and that baby!  I'll "argue" with you anytime.  LOL


I pray for his family as well.
How sad that she could not have lived to see her grandson elected president if that  happens.
Then why don't we make a pact from this moment forward?

We will stay off your board if you stay off ours. Do you agree or not?


I did notice that. These peoople are getting more and more pathetic by the moment..sm
and have been pushing me farther and fatther to the left.

That was such a retarded response to an important issue. I would like to know what you guys think about it though. Keep the electoral college or not.
If you would step out of paranoid palace for a moment..
point to me ONE place where I advocated killing all Muslims. All I said was, and the only question I asked was, why don't the peace-loving Muslims denounce the murders within their own ranks who are hijacking their peaceful religion to justify killing of innocents and hatred of anything nonMuslim? And you rant and you rant, but you never answer that. And again..it was the Muslim extremists who called what they were doing jihad...I did not call it that, I simply repeated what they said. For someone who is supposedly educated, you certainly run from questions when they are posed to you. And by the way...education does not give you the right to be rude, and rude you are lady...and if you are the poster child for an education...I believe you get the idea.
Wow. A historical moment. I almost never agree with your posts....
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Where? Who? Our country has no real leader at the moment.
Not Bush.

Not Obama.



Nobody.


Nada.


Zilch.


Oh, wait, maybe Pelosi...she's got a lock on the purse strings...yours and mine, although you don't know or care......ugh....


Like I said, no real leader anywhere in sight.
I think you already have someone to light candles and pray to...
ahem.
Will pray that he's lying now and proceeds to
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CNN lead story this am: How to pray
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Pray for Rain? How Christian-like!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26576696/
Don't you dare suggest we don't pray to the same God
you are bad
You honestly think Obama will pray to God before he...
makes a decision? Oh, don't let the liberals hear you say that. They will be calling him Bush Jr. LOL.

Seriously...he CAN make it worse than it already is.

I do pray for the country, continuously...does not mean I need to check my brain at the door and you shouldn't either.
Conservatives better pray that regulation will be ENOUGH.
swift and smart, it probably won't be enough.
Better pray car companies are not next in line.
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I pray that Obama is treated with
more respect than Bush was, not because I voted for Obama, but because he is the President. I wish him the best of luck because if he does well, we will be alright. I hope he isn't getting booed out of office in 4 or 8 years. So disrespectful, but only in America can you get away with it.
sbMT I pray the other poster will sm
have her spiritual eyes opened before its too late. Christians don't condemn people to he!!, folks send themselves to he!! by rejecting the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.
If possible, think for one moment what it would mean for Israeli troops to fight in Iraq. TI
If I need to say anymore, my suspicions will be confirmed.
On terrorist ties, since topic is popular for the moment
McCain link to private group in Iran-Contra case.

http://yorkdispatch.inyork.com/yd/sections/politics/ci_10655363
Nevermind the soul for a moment....let's talk about LIFE.
The law says killing someone is murder. It does not say anything about killing someone with a soul is murder. The baby is alive, and it is being killed. That's murder.
Punishing a teen for life for a stupid moment of
it just brings yet another person (most likely ALSO stupid) into an already overpopulated world.
Then I pray that you will come through it in good shape, friend. And I mean that...
sincerely.
If McCain wins, as I hope and pray he will....sm
will you and your party put away the hatred and viciousness and try to come together as a nation?


I know I will if it is Obama.


But I expect no less if it is the other way around.