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Accurate, though.

Posted By: deenibeeni on 2009-02-01
In Reply to: nice and classy - shelly

About as classy as subversive Christian politics, without the million-dollar sheen.

If I could have thought of a "classier" metaphor, believe me I would have. Unfortunately, that is EXACTLY how the ad made me feel, & I have no desire to sugar-coat the insidiousness of the Christian right; not for you or anyone else.

You should thank your lord & savior that NO ONE is cramming atheism or agnosticism down your gullet in the same manner.


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This is not accurate.

The website that was provided very cleverly misled the reader to believe it was "required."  They typed the word REQUIRED (in red and underlined just as I typed it) which led to the REAL link describing his proposal.  Nowhere in the GENUINE link did it describe anything that was REQUIRED.  It is a voluntary program.  My guess is that everyone read the propaganda site and didn't bother to click on the link (as I typed it above) which showed the true program.


I'm going to try to explain this again.  Once again, here is the link that was provided as "proof" regarding Obama's program:  http://kokonutpundits.blogspot.com/2008/11/obamas-new-youth-corp-requirement.html


I copied and pasted part of it below.  Note where it says, "Yes, require."  The article then goes on to mislead the reader about the program.  If you click on the "require" link, it will take you to the GENUINE website that TRULY describes Obama's program, which I have also copied and pasted here in full.


"Misleading" site"


Friday, November 07, 2008



Obama's New Youth Corp Requirement?




Obama to set up a draft-like bill requiring 13 to 25 year olds to perform community service. Yes, REQUIRE.



The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.


Genuine site (that you get by clicking on red "require" link in "misleading" site):



America Serves


"When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood -- you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That's why it's called the American dream."

The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.





"Genuine Link":  http://change.gov/americaserves/


NOWHERE does it imply or read that anything will be REQUIRED.


THIS tactic is exactly how lies are started and fears are raised.


Accurate, though.
About as classy as subversive Christian politics, without the million-dollar sheen.

If I could have thought of a "classier" metaphor, believe me I would have. Unfortunately, that is EXACTLY how the ad made me feel, & I have no desire to sugar-coat the insidiousness of the Christian right; not for you or anyone else.
If your definition is accurate
which I highly dobut then I guess I'm a liberal because I don't pledge blind loyalty to Bush. On the other hand I don't think every word he says is a lie either. I think he is a human capable of human mistakes, but I don't think every problem in the world at this moment is Bush's fault like many on this board do. I think many people are obsessed with the fact there's a conservative in office. It wouldn't matter what their name was Bush or Smith, the obsession would be the same. There are many wacko theories out there on all sorts of issues, but some I have read here take the cake. You don't talk about any other issues other than Bush is fault of everything wrong in this world. To me, liberal or conservative, is a little off the deep end no matter what political ideology you come from.
This is not an accurate statement
Please provide non-partisan sources that state that the majority of scientists state that global warming is bunk.
Nope, just accurate.

The polls are not accurate...
slanted for obama like everything else the liberal media tells you. People (myself included) tend to believe what they want to believe
You do know that Wikipedia is not always accurate, don't you?
I would hope you don't believe everything on the internet. Too bad people don't read or think for themselves anymore and have to trust websites (which can be compromised) for all of their information. It's so easy to cut and paste and not do any real research. Just look at some of the reports we type up; Google is used for everything and can be wrong.
Green with NAUSEA is more accurate.
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This is excellent and paints a very accurate picture!

This is so true.  All these people are so ready and eager to kill other people's children.


I didn't notice the name of a very decorated, true war hero on that list, though:  Colin Powell, the only honest, honorable member of Bush's "team."  He's a Republican, very intelligent, reasonable, has seen the ravages of war firsthand, and didn't seem to fit in with all the other boys on Bush's team who were obviously deprived of "GI Joe" playtime hours when they were 5 years old and are trying to make up for lost time.


 


I think it's an accurate reflection of how most people feel.

Which is good, considering how Americans treated Vietnam vetes, which I think was deplorable.


These poor guys are fighting Bush's personal war, and they're doing the very best they can, given the fact they were sent in there so ill equipped by the government they serve. 


I'm so sad today about the news that two soldiers may have been kidnapped by al Qaeda.  If that's true, I think about Nick Berg, and I shudder to wonder what the fate of these young men will be.  I'm praying that they be found, safe and alive.  They are so young.  This is so, so sad.


At the same time, I'm also angered at the fact they were placed in that position in the first place, based on nothing more than George Bush's war of lies and deceit. 


Why won't anyone listen to John Murtha?  In his very first statement, he said our troops should be redeployed to the periphery.  The right wing misrepresented what he said, as usual, and called it *cutting and running,* when what he said was REDEPLOY TO THE PERIPHERY.  That's what every mother does when removing the training wheels from her child's first bicycle.  She cuts him/her loose but is still there in the background to save him/her if there's trouble.  That's what Murtha proposed.  But the neocons would rather our troops be killed or tortured.  I even read a post somewhere, along the lines of Tony Snow's *2,500 is just  number* when referring to American deaths in Iraq, citing something stupid Rush Limbaugh said regarding how many murders take place in the United States and, of course, how many abortions take place, inferring, as well, that 2,500 really isn't that high a number when you compare to murders and abortions.  I guess it's their new spin as soldiers' deaths increase, which is deplorable.


The Iraqis need to learn to defend themselves.  They can't do that if we're in their way all the time.


And don't forget:  We're fighting TWO wars at once, Iraq and Afghanistan.  Funny how we don't hear much about bin Laden these days, even though the war is still going on.  How much thinner can we spread our military?  And could we have gotten bin Laden if we had kept our focus on the people who actually attacked us?


This is just getting worse and worse and worse.  I hope our country can survive through 2008 without Bush doing much more damage to it.  I will be so relieved when he is out of office and I can finally (hopefully) feel a sense of hope for America.  


Polls may not be accurate as pollsters call land...sm
lines and many people only have cell phones. 
Potato totally accurate, left out part where
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_the_plumber#Plumbing_career

This will verify all of Potato's claims, and mine.