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Posted By: ultimate good of the country. nm on 2008-09-29
In Reply to: I thought this was not about anyone's fair share... - sam

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RNC: Partisan politics in times like this is unhealthy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/us/politics/24web-nagourney.html?bl&ex=1230354000&en=16a3dd67da5bac74&ei=5087%0A


For Now, Obama Proves to be an Elusive Target for the GOP


it is called politics, remember McCain and Bush hugging?
arent they supposed to be on different sides now? (Say, how does that actually work...people who voted for Bush and are now for McCain, which sides of the issues are they really on? Must be hard to keep it all straight...

Oh, (chuckel) remember Bush raking over McCain, and none to nicely a bunch of times when they were running against each other? That was a hoot
She was in state politics at the time, not national politics......
how much foreign policy experience did Bill have when he went to the presidency having only been a governor? The same as Sarah Palin. Because he was concentrating on his job...the state of Arkansas (and Paula Jones and what was that stripper's name?). Sarah Palin was concentrating on the state of Alaska.

Good grief. lol. Why don't you poll all the governors in all the states in the union and ask them how much they think about foreign policy?
Here is one, but it's partisan left! sm

Neighbors for Peace to "Raise the Bar" for Democratic Candidates


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


St. Paul, MN – June 17, 2003 – When national Democratic leaders visit St. Paul next week, Merriam Park Neighbors for Peace and other Minnesota organizations will be on the scene to question presidential candidates, raising the electoral bar for peace, justice, and environmental issues.


The Association of State Democratic Chairs and the Democratic National Committee will convene this weekend at the Radisson Riverfront Hotel at 11 East Kellogg Boulevard in St. Paul. Gearing up for the 2004 presidential elections, Merriam Park Neighbors for Peace will be outside the hotel on Friday, June 20, from 2:30 to 5:30 p.m. to invite the candidates to join concerned Minnesota Democrats in dialogue about critical issues.


"People are leaving the Democratic party in droves, because in recent elections the candidates have become so centrist that they are almost indistinguishable from the Republicans," comments Merriam Park Neighbors for Peace co-founder, Anne Benson. "We want to see the Democratic party return to its progressive roots—to stand up for working people and poor people, and to fight against the regressive domestic and foreign policies of the Bush administration."


The neighbors from the Merriam Park area of St. Paul hold that in recent elections, Democratic candidates have lost their chance to take office because they've neglected the concerns of their own voters.


"It has always been said, 'There are more Democrats than Republicans; we just need to get out the vote,'" states member, Steve Schwarz. "We, however, need a reason to get out the vote. Many Democrats have felt alienated and misrepresented by the party and have looked instead to other alternatives. We believe in the principles that made the Democratic party what it was and still can be today. Remember, we in Minnesota have supported a long line of Democratic politicians who voted on principle and not on predictions of popularity. We expect our candidates to make peace and justice issues a priority."


Adds Benson, "We're encouraging candidates to ask themselves the hard questions: Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Was I misled by the administration when I voted for the War Powers Resolution? How do we get out of this quagmire in Iraq? Does the PATRIOT Act infringe on too many civil liberties?"


Merriam Park Neighbors for Peace has invited all Democratic candidates to meet with them after their sessions conclude on Friday to answer a series of fourteen questions regarding issues of pre-emptive war, international relations, arms development, military spending, V.A. benefits, U.S. economy, social programs, employment, globalization, education, health care, civil liberties, terrorism, and environmental policy. They invite all Minnesotans with these concerns to join them in St. Paul on Friday in addressing the candidates.


"We're not endorsing a particular candidate," group member, Jeanne Schnitzen, notes. "We're giving them all a chance to look us in the eye and answer to the issues we vote for. If they're really in this race to turn the tides, we'll make sure they get that chance. I want to believe there is a Democratic candidate who is capable of sowing the seeds of change."


Why not put your partisan views aside and tell us this: Do YOU think sm
that Gore deserved the Nobel Peace Prize? I am neither a conservative nor a democrat, and I do not think he deserved to win it. I'm with the Observer on this one. Anyone with a molecule of sense knows that the two just don't go together - global warming and peace.
The Nobel Prizes were established in the will of Nobel, a Swedish industrialist who died in 1896. The only framework he set for the peace prize was that it should honor people who have promoted "fraternity between nations," peace conferences or the "abolition or reduction of standing armies."

Hmmmmmmmm
Someone less partisan and more uplifting
Joel Olsten. If he was looking to "reach out" to the conservative right, I'd much rather see even Pat Robertson (!), who at least has shown some capacity to embrace the realities of the demise of his party and some insight into where they REALLY need to be focusing their energy.
Spoken as a true partisan.

No, spoken TO a true partisan

Only the conservatives on these boards fail to open their eyes and be objective when it comes to Bush and his actions.  They're obviously partisan conservatives.


However, the people who continue to defend Bennett after Bush himself condemned Bennett's statement... well, there's a name for them, as well.


I think we're starting to see a divide in the conservative party.  Those who just blindly follow Bush, unwilling or unable to see what's really happening, and the more sinister, dangerous, racist group who wouldn't mind seeing all black babies aborted.  Those who insist on defending Bennett are emphasizing that distinction, which is a good thing.  Let these people reveal themselves for what they really are.


#1, The Nation is extremely partisan. #2.

Tillman didn't talk about why he went into the service to anyone.  We will have to assume that what his mother is saying is true.  Has the wife spoken out?  I would think if he told his deepest heart's secrets, it would be to her.  She was his high school sweetheart.  Here's a snippet from a Newsweek article. 


He joined the service just after a honeymoon to Bora Bora with his high-school sweetheart, Marie. He and a younger brother, Kevin, slipped off to enlist in Denver, where they could avoid publicity. Kevin, who gave up a budding minor-league baseball career, remains in the Army. Pat Tillman wanted no attention, no glory, for joining the rank and file. He didn't want to be singled out from his brothers and sisters in the military, says former Cardinals coach Dave McGinnis. Tillman apparently had made a pact with his family to stay silent about his service, a promise they have kept. They have gathered to grieve inside the comfortable family home in a leafy enclave of San Jose.


His was no simple case of patriotism; Tillman was never known as a flag-waver. His agent, Frank Bauer, told reporters he had suspected that Tillman might quit to teach or to practice law like his father, Patrick Sr., but not to join the military. Snyder, his college coach, said Tillman never used the word patriotism when he explained his plans to enlist. He just seemed to think something had to be done. When players asked why he enlisted, he didn't want to talk about it. McGinnis says there were reasons Pat said he had that he didn't want to divulge, and the coach respected his view and his right to make his own path. Tillman had always been different. When he joined the pros, he rode a bicycle to practice because he didn't own a car. He refused to buy a cell phone. A sports publicist at Arizona State once described him as a surfer dude.


It seems his mother decided the pact no longer had any merit.  Personally, I see another Cindy Sheehan, disobeying her son's wishes. 


Most non-partisan sources would not agree with you

But you would have to read something other than far-right-wing propaganda, which you probably don't.  Try getting a more global perspective and you will be less naive and less gullible. Unfortunately, if you had a more non-partisan world view you would also probably stop attributing all the problems of the world to the leftists.  And then who would you have left to insult?


Part of the fault lies with lack of follow-through in Afghanistan but the major problem lies with Pakistan which has been the major breeding ground of the Taliban and terrorists for years.  The U.S. pretty did a cut-and-run in tracking down bin Laden. 


What is the answer to all this?  I don't know.  However, I do know that Pakistan's support of terrorism and the Taliban has been in place for a long, long time and is not the result of the Iraq peace movement in the United States, despite what your extremely partisan sources may insist. 


Agreed. And anyone who looks at it objectively and not through partisan...
glasses could see it too. Fox has a lot more Democrat contributors and commentators than MSNBC, the major broadcast outlets or CNN. And Fox has more viewers, so apparently it is the choice of a lot of Americans.

And as to the debates...Obama didn't want anything near a town hall before his convention. I read he was going to come up through the floor in a set that looks like a Greek temple to accept his nomination. I thought to myself you have GOT to be kidding. His spokesman didn't deny it, just said it was tastefully done. Okay, a tastefully done temple. Oh my. Well, I reserve any opinion until I see it.
This is no partisan blame game.
long saga of voter registration/voter fraud, election and campaign finance reform. Left-wing progressives have been focusing on this issue since 2000 but so far, nobody has listened because they are so busy dismissing them for being lefties. It is that id of partisan division and bickering that at the moment has our country so frozen up with spite that we cannot even managed to put together a clean election. We have no business trying to bring democracy to any other developing or third world countries until we at least get this part of our own back yard cleaned up. In terms of THIS election, 18 days before D-Day...a litle late in the game.
Yes, and condescending, biased, partisan.
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War is a Partisan Decision (and more on amnesty for terrorists)

Now here's an honest Republican.  Very refreshing!






URL: http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/article/0,1406,KNS_348_4781865,00.html
Duncan: War is a partisan decision


Knox Republican opposed successful GOP bill aimed at testing Democrats




WASHINGTON - War should not be a partisan decision by Congress, but it generally appears to have become that, Knoxville Rep. John J. Duncan Jr., a war opponent, said on the House floor Friday.

I believe 80 percent of Republicans would have opposed the war in Iraq if it had been started by President (Bill) Clinton or (Al) Gore, and probably almost all the Democrats would have been supporting it, as they did the bombings in Bosnia and Kosovo (during the Clinton administration), Duncan said.

Under Democrat Clinton's presidency, when he planned bombings in Bosnia and Kosovo, 80 percent of Republicans, including Duncan, opposed it, Duncan noted.

In a vote Friday, Duncan was the only Tennessee Republican and one of just three Republicans nationally to oppose a Republican-drafted bill aimed at questioning Democrats' commitment to national security several months before the November general election. It passed 256-153. Democrats voted 149-42 against it, and one Independent opposed it.

The nonbinding legislation refused to set any dates for changing troop strength in Iraq, labeled the Iraq war part of the global war on terrorism, and praised U.S. troops' sacrifice in Iraq.

Duncan, one of the most conservative House members, said everyone supports the troops. It is certainly no criticism of them to criticize this war, he said. I am steadfastly opposed to this war, and I have been since the beginning. We need to start putting our own people first once again and bring our troops home - the sooner the better.

Two other Tennessee members opposed the resolution: Democrats Harold Ford Jr. of Memphis and John Tanner of Union City.

Voting in favor were Republicans Bill Jenkins of Rogersville, Zach Wamp of Chattanooga, and Marsha Blackburn of Brentwood; and Democrats Lincoln Davis of Pall Mall, Jim Cooper of Nashville, and Bart Gordon of Murfreesboro.

Ford and Tanner said they strongly support the troops. But they noted that current Iraqi government leaders reportedly are considering granting amnesty to Iraqis who killed U.S. troops as acts of resistance and defense of their homeland. They cannot support a government that would grant such amnesty, Ford and Tanner said in written statements.

Ford, a U.S. Senate candidate, called the Republican resolution a gimmick that fails to recognize that 'stay the course' is not working and that amnesty for terrorists is unforgivable.

Tennessee supporters generally said they wanted to demonstrate confidence in U.S. troops in Iraq.

Premature withdrawal is not an option, Wamp said in a recorded statement. It's an effective surrender. It's important that we stand firm and that we finish what we started and that the world sees that we're going to honor our commitments to the people of Iraq and the people of the Middle East.

Davis, the only Democrat serving part of East Tennessee, accused Republican leaders of using the legislation as a political tool to try to make Democrats look sheepish. In a written statement, he said he has visited Iraq four times to show the troops that Congress supports their work.

But Davis said federal officials now should focus on how we stabilize the country ... and how we get our troops home safe as soon as possible.

Richard Powelson may be reached at 202-408-2727.


Partisan-led inquiry.....no real big srprise there...sm
Try telling the both sides of the article and judgment please:

Excerpt from CNN:

A spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign responded by calling the investigation "a partisan-led inquiry" run by supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, but hailing its finding that Monegan's firing broke no law.

"Gov. Palin was cleared of the allegation of an improper firing, which is what this investigation was approved to look into," campaign spokeswoman Meg Stapleton said.

She said the Legislature exceeded its mandate in finding an ethics violation. "Lacking evidence to support the original Monegan allegation, the Legislative Council seriously overreached, making a tortured argument to find fault without basis in law or fact," she said.

Rep. John Coghill, a Republican who criticized the handling of the investigation, said it was "well-done professionally."

But he said some of the conclusions were judgment calls by Branchflower, and recommended readers should view them with a "jaundiced eye."

Dr. King transcended partisan ties in message and in deeds.
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Not as much as putting out an ad from your campaign...
with stamp of approval on it. That says more, in my opinion.

As far as Jewish people...Sarah Palin is going to the protest but on by Jewish leaders protesting Ahmadinejad addressing the UN...so McCain's campaign is supporting Jewish people there in a very public way. That also says a lot.
that's putting it lightly

Putting lipstick on a pig is like saying there's more than a hair's difference between a socialist and a communist.  At least a few of us around here get it.  Why they refuse to believe that the company one keeps is relevant is beyond me.  If I showed up to dinner with Charles Manson or similar, gee, what would that say about me? 


The Dems are so used to having govt make decisions for them from cradle to grave.  No thanks, BHO, I'm a big girl and can make my own decisions.  Frankly, I can't afford those decisions of his, nor can any of the rest of the country.


Have you noticed that this place mirrors the far-left loons like HuffPo, Kos, & moveon?  I'm not talking generic Dems.  I'm talking Michael Moore, Babs Streisand, etc.  Unbelievable! 


 


if he was putting country first, he would have
pick a more qualified VP candidate. That pick was to help him with the base. In the whole country, he believed she was the MOST qualified? Lieberman was his personal choice. But Lieberman certainly would not have gotten him the Christian vote.
Why are u putting blame elsewhere.
I hate to say it, but could be because he is black or arab african.
Well gee - excuuuuuze US, for not putting it
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how about for putting this country in sm
the worst economic mess it has ever seen and doing it in a matter of less than 5 months? That would be a great start!

But then I guess folks with your mentality can't see the obvious.
You are putting that out of context, Democrat. SM

In fact, the conversation was very polite and respectful at all times. Wow, how two people can remember things so differently.  Says a lot.


Great post!! Thanks for putting this up. nm
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I don't call that putting down her country....she
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Perhaps when putting yourself out as an immigration law expert,
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Scary is putting it mildly.

My 16-year-old is NO WAY going to a barrack to learn civil defense or civil service.  I do not mind community service, she does that now, but no way in heck is she going to a barrack for 3-4 months. 


I did not ask for this stupid crazy change.  I want my ole United States back.  It was not perfect, but this has gone too far.  Rahm is nothing but scum between my toes and to think of a creation of his Marxist youth corps is %^&&*(*. 


The next you know, we are all going to have to get "THE MARK" SOON ON YOUR FOREHEAD OR HAND AREA which we all know is the 666.  LOOK OUT COUNTRY HERE IT COMES, YOUR NEW CHANGE.  Yes I can, yes I can, yes I can.  What for?  CHANGE.  What kind of change?  Heck if we know.


Will never last. Obama is putting us in debt we may
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This administration is putting USA security in
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You are putting apples with oranges.,
this has nothing to do with that.
You're putting words in her post.sm
Take it at face value.
PLEASE. I did not say *a lot*. Stop putting words in my mouth! nm

It is all OUR business because we are putting our country's welfare in this...sm
governor/mother/grandmother's hands.

She will eventually have to face those questions of how she can perform such an important job and tend to the needs of her daughter, her daughter's baby and her own baby.
Putting her political ambitions above Bistol
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McCain sounds like he is putting his country first...sm
And Obama probably wishes he would have thought of it first.


I just saw Obama on TV just now, and he sounds rather childish about the whole thing, making accusations. Poor Obama.


He lost out on this one, and now he just plain looks bad. Not very presidential at all, I'm afraid.









Getting serious means putting blame where it belongs.
Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr. All of them had a hand in bringing this country to its knees.

Of course its going to take a long time to get our country out of this mess. This is not instantaneous, and the messes go way back to before Bush Jr. even got in the office. So with that said, it is time to stop blaming past presidents and start looking to the future. Yeah, it would be nice if magic could be spun. But it can't. Going back to Obama's campaign slogan "hope". We have to hope he can pull us out or at least get us started back on the right track. Truth is, he's not off to a good start.

So, time to put down to kool-aid and get a cup of coffee and come back to reality here with the rest of us.
Oh, sure, baby steps.. like putting us trillions
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They're always putting out this sort of thing, actually.
...just round-file it.
I answered you, sam. You are putting words in Obama's mouth
show me where O said he would give rebates to people w/o income and show me where he said they would get a tax break. This question has been answered already. Read the previous post BEFORE you throw out another dodge to my still unanswered question about progressive tax system being socialist, the rebate and your outlandish claims about what you think Obama said.
Police putting names of activists on terrorist lists. sm
Dissent is patriotic. I wonder how many people are on these lists. It's creepy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/07/AR2008100703245_pf.html
Putting together job programs in order to get people back to work....sm
able to perhaps save their homes and families, able to pay taxes, which will in turn pay for social programs, support the infrastructure, and then when folk are back to work they will feel secure in perhaps purchasing again, which will help businesses....FDR did it, it takes time, it is not a quick fix, it won't make Obama into Merlin, it took 8 LONG YEARS to get into this bottomless pit, can we give this administration at least a year or two to try to get things moving upward again? I may not support every social program included therein, but work is being done, adn will continue. I used to cross the desert on occasion when I lived in CA, and I am starting to see vultures on the side of the road again circling and not even waiting to pounce and pull apart the government. Why? Just my opion.
Yup, Biden has a hard time speaking without putting a foot in his mouth.
He's like that crazy family member everyone has that they always try to keep under wraps.
Also, because we are white middle class and have a house, we are putting kids through college, ever
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Amazing, a large, successful company with a heart and soul, putting America first?? Congrats to Int
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McCain made tougher laws for drug crimes. It's not just rich and special treatment he is putting
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Other addicted Americans aren't putting people in jail or ripping apart families for drug crimes.
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That's right. Unfortunately, that's politics.nm
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Now, this is politics.....for sure......

 


 


                                             


 


All politics aside...I do want to wish everyone a...
very happy Thanksgiving, and I hope you are all able to enjoy it with family and friends...and if some of us have to work, here's hoping they keep the leftovers warm.  Happy Thanksgiving!
Politics... LOL
I think it just depends on the person.. some people ACTUALLY dont give a crap about them... at all. which to me is totally foreign... that's ALMOST as bad as being the opposing side to me haha. Luckily my family (or at least the ones i actually spend time with, my immediate ones) we all feel exactly the same way, but even we can get loud and annoying while even agreeing with each other! haha. politics is one thing that I get completely heated about... i sometimes wish i didn't care, but i mean, it spreads to all aspects of my life ya know? DISCLAIMER: sorry about the punctuation, i NEVER use it when i am just relaxing. it does not reflec the kind of MT i am. haha
Politics
Not enough crackerjack on the shelf for this election. At least you get a prize.