Twisting words
Posted By: Truthseeker on 2009-02-04
In Reply to: War on terror -- - MT in PA
Obama says "...he believes the US can win over moderate Muslims..."
You say "...make friends with people who have taken the lives of so many Americans without conscience?"
You say "...trying to 'win over' terrorists."
Obama says moderate Muslims, you call moderate Muslims terrorists. Do you know ANY Muslims, MT? Well I do. Moderate Muslims. And you know what? They're far more moderate in their thinking and beliefs than most of the Christians who post on this very forum. So don't go spouting about moderate Muslims being terrorists and don't twist what Obama actually said because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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What you call twisting words is
what some may call interpretation. I didn't twist any words. Let me say this again,
WHEN OBAMA WAS ASKED ABOUT THE PHRASE "WAR ON TERROR", HE REPLIED HE WOULD LIKE TO "WIN OVER MODERATE MUSLIMS".
I didn't twist his words. He's the one who referenced moderate muslims with terrorists. If you prefer I rephrase it using his words, fine "I prefer not to win over moderate Muslims." Does that make what I said previously any different? Not likely.
You're entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. Trying to convince me otherwise will not work. That wasn't the intent of my post. My post was to see if anyone else felt the same way as me, not try to change someone else's feelings.
This politics board cracks me up. No one is supposed to have an opinion that differs from the "big posters". Well, guess what? I do have a different opinion. If pi$$ed you off, too bad.
really? I think it is what was said - I'm not twisting anything
The following exchange between Fox News host Brian Kilmeade and Fox News business contributor and substitute host Stuart Varney occurred during breaking news coverage of the attacks on London subways and buses on the July 7 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
KILMEADE: And he [British Prime Minister Tony Blair] made the statement, clearly shaken, but clearly determined. This is his second address in the last hour. First to the people of London, and now at the G8 summit, where their topic Number 1 --believe it or not-- was global warming, the second was African aid. And that was the first time since 9-11 when they should know, and they do know now, that terrorism should be Number 1. But it's important for them all to be together. I think that works to our advantage, in the Western world's advantage, for people to experience something like this together, just 500 miles from where the attacks have happened.
VARNEY: It puts the Number 1 issue right back on the front burner right at the point where all these world leaders are meeting. It takes global warming off the front burner. It takes African aid off the front burner. It sticks terrorism and the fight on the war on terror, right up front all over again.
KILMEADE: Yeah.
So, who is twisting your arm? No one
certainly no one is begging you to stay! Is it time to bring gourdpainter back?
Not what they said at all! Just your twisting it to your liking!
nm
You are totally twisting what the OP said.
They said, and I agree, that there is a difference between the people looting for food, water and bare necessities than those who are looting for guns, purses, and accessories. No one is promoting people who are stealing guns and harming people.
Take it at face value, and leave the spin for the conservative board.
Twisting and turning
Wouldn't you say the mindset of the young depends on the conditions and need for the war? That is what I was alluding to. In condemning this generation with their lack of morals you are also condemning soldiers in Iraq, I assume? My belief is that if this country ever found itself in a dire situation that our young people would respond as needed. Call me an optimist. I cannot condemn a whole generation based on my version of what is moral and what isn't. I would say sending soldiers to die in an unnecessary war is immoral. Lack of care for our country's poor and sick is immoral. Little kids starving in our country is immoral. Our treatment of minorities and your condemntation of all liberals is immoral. I believe that not only is abortion immoral, but many other things, too. You may also blindly support our military, no matter what it is sent to do. I don't. I'm not a fool. I would not have supported our military slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Native Americans in the 1800s, or supporting the slavery trade indirectly. I would have applauded and supported any soldier who went AWOL, any demonstration against this military action. Unlike you.
But you see, I have common sense. I cannot argue or debate with someone who doesn't have it. You have a blinding anger toward Democrats and liberals. You have no use for the truth. I am sure this is not the first time you have been told this.
The rest of your post is so twisted and lacking common sense, even to insulting a person for reading books (heavens, we wouldn't want to educate ourselves -- another fear of the conservative posters) that it isn't worth my time to answer.
Please read Lurker's post. You will deny it's accuracy, I'm sure.
As far as Ann Coulter, someone posted that the liberals had written and said terrible things also. Indeed they have. But Ann's article was posted on the conservative board as a fine and shining example of conservative wit and intelligence. In reality, it was one of the smuttiest and sickening things I have read in a long time. I don't recall any liberal posters crowing over such liberal trash on this board. They seem to be a pretty moral group over all, and a group that's got a lot of common sense, most of all.
Talk about twisting....
You said:
There are things that the poster felt needed to be said, and you see, this is a liberal board.
As it has been said ad nauseam, anyone can post on this board. Liberals post on the conservative board as well. I must have been absent the day you were named moderator.
You said:
You have a habit of mis-representing the facts, of twisting them to fit your agenda and your conscience.
On the basis of what, three posts, you say I have a habit of misrepresenting the facts and twisting them to fit my agenda and m conscience. Pot calling the kettle black, I would say. You posted erroneous information, represented it as fact, and I called you on it. If anyone's conscience should be bothering them, that would be you.
You say most of the people of the U.S. were against slavery. At different points in history that may or may not have been true, there weren't a lot of nationwide polls back then. Could you share your facts? Just the facts, ma'am.
I again refer you to history. History is full of the people who opposed slavery. We are at war right now as a country but as it is perfectly clear, is it not, that the whole country is not behind the war.
The fact is though that slavery was perfectly legal for 100 years in this country. Try twisting that one. That's what I mean when I say this country condoned slavery. But I think that was obvious to most folks.
Because it is legal does not mean all the people in the country condone it. Abortion is legal in this country but I sure as heck do not condone it. That doesn't mean I bomb abortion clinics or stand outside them and ridicule the people using them. But I do not condone it, nor do many others. I follow the laws of the land but I do make sure with my vote and in other ways to work to see that law gone. And I think that is obvious to most folks as well.
Secondly, you say this was Congress's war just as much as Bush's. Well, we know that is not true either. It was Bush and his cronies that planned this war, probably even before 9/11. There was erroneous evidence presented to Congress that led them to okay military action.
I really am incredulous that there are still people who buy that nonsense. Erroneous evidence presented to Congress? The Senate Intelligence Committee had the very same information the Bush administration had. And if all those congresspeople are so ignorant they could be *fooled* into buying into lies (if there were any, which there is no proof there were) that led the country into war, then I would think, for the love of pete, that you would be equally as incensed at them. What proof do you have that Bush and his cronies planned anything? None, because there is none. As you said, just the FACTS, ma'am.
If your daughter came home from school and stated that the neighbor girl beat her up you would might believe the evidence. However, do you not change your course of action if it turns out the neighbor girl didn't do the actual damage? I am sorry, I do not grasp your analogy. If you are saying now that maybe Congress screwed up, and now they realized they screwed up, how many years into it, so now the thing to do is, after we committed ourselves to the Iraqis to just up and go, leave them dangling, just like we did in Viet Nam? Nothing noble about that. And make no mistake...if the war suddenly became popular they would fall all over themselves backpedaling again ahd saying *I did vote for it and I voted against it but now I am for it again...* yada yada. They are politicians.
I believe you twist and arrange the evidence so you don't feel guilty about this utter madness and endless slaughter we know as Iraq as you similarly defend the US government role in the slaughter of indigenous peoples.
There you go again. First, my friend, I do not feel guilty. I have nothing to feel guilty about. I support the American military and I certainly support the war on terrorism. I do not readily forget 3000 people dying. I will never forget watching those people jump out of that building to avoid being incinerated and for what? Simply because they were Americans. How easily you seem to blow that off.
And I did not defend the US government role in the slaughter of indigenous peoples. I did not defend slavery. Both were wrong. Abortion is wrong, but they happen every day, and they happen NOW. There is no longer slavery and there is no longer the slaugher of indigenous peoples. Why does it not bother you that it is legal to slaughter upwards or over a million babies unborn babies every year? Why don't you get involved to stop that?
My whole point is that the US is indeed a great and often noble and generous country. I really want it to stay that way though and powerful people have a way of corrupting the moral values that have sustained this country for so long.
Excuse me yet again...but that is exactly what I said. The moral values that the country was founded upon and have sustained and how far we have gotten from that. But I guess we are talking about two different sets of moral values. What set are you talking about?
The US has taken some pretty bad detours along the way but fortunately common sense and good character have generally won out in the long run. Complacency and acceptance of corrupt power is always a threat though and that's why we need to QUESTION always those that are in near-absolute power. I firmly believe that those who question are the MOST patriotic.
I never said questioning was unpatriotic. What is unpatriotic in my view and always will be is suggesting that any American soldier died in vain. What I think is unpatriotic is while we have men and women dying in combat, no matter who sent them there or for what reason, we owe them the respect to, if we cannot support their mission, to not go public with rampant criticism and for the love of everything Holy not to suggest publically that they are fighting and dying for nothing. Not only do I think that is unpatriotic, I think it is selfish and mean. Doesn't mean you or anyone else can't grouse about it friends in the privacy of a home, but to go public with it where friends, family and loved ones of soldiers who have died there, were injured there and continue to fight there can read it. I don't know why some people (not naming anyone in particular) cannot just hold all that in until the troops come home. Then if they want to dissect it, take it apart, malign it or whatever, our troops are home and no longer in harm's way.
It is rhetoric like you are repeating that Al Qaeda loves to hear, and their greatest propaganda tool. Playing right into their hands. And yes, giving that upper hand to the enemy is to me, yes, unpatriotic.
Twisting and turning
You have a need to twist and turn the truth and you appear to have little common sense or ability to see the big picture as far as humanity is concerned. This may explain why you appear to have little to do with your time other than post incessantly and lengthily on a board where you are only interested in passive-aggressive attacks under the pretense of "trying to understand."
As far as your post where you perseverate to almost a frightening degree regarding my comment on your "rightwing rags" -- you know exactly what I'm referring to. Just your comment alone about all the soldiers supporting the war and your questioning the poster about where they heard that some soldiers do not support this war --- that's a prime example. A year or two ago when you'd post you'd simply cut and paste lengthy quotes from those right-wing publications I refer to.
Don't know why I'm having to tell you this. I'm having to play your game and that's not a good idea as your rules aren't fair, or truthful some of the time.
Unbelievable is all I can say, keep twisting
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Fact-twisting: It's key.
Always twisting and spinning
things for your own advantage. I'm just tired of the same ole BS spewed by you. Obama is the best thing and Bush is the root of all evil...blah blah blah.
All politicians are evil. That is why we have switched control from pubs to dems and our country is still going down the crapper. That isn't change. Seems to me like pubs and dems alike want to spend. They only complain when the other side spends and screws the American people but it is fair play when it is their political party doing all the spending.
Obama is not doing a good job. If we was, there wouldn't be so many tea parties, etc. Moderate democrats aren't even on board with what he is doing either. Our country is quickly changing for the worse and yes...Bush started it....but Obama is going to finish it and he is pushing it as quickly as he can. He has blatantly lied and the media has given him a pass. The man has broken so many promises and is spending so much money that we don't have. He is ruining us and all people like you do is refuse to see what he is actually doing. You just listen to his smooth teleprompter speeches and watch with gaga gaga eyes and drool while you believe every lie that comes out of his mouth.
You are just as bad as the Bush lovers who refuse to believe he did anything wrong either. I think the extreme left and extreme right both need to get a clue!
That's not twisting and spinning...(sm)
That was a direct quote...hence the marks that look like this: " ". Maybe my posts just make you dizzy because they are outside of the (watch out...here come some more of those marks).."no spin zone." 
Those types of words are unnecessary and actually ARE racist words. sm
Those types of phrases are offensive and are intended to be offensive. This election should not be about race. If it is about race for you, then you are probably one of the ignorant people using those words. Very rude!!
Twisting and Squirming..I love it!!
All disquiet on West Wing front
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Aides: W must right ship
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By THOMAS M. DeFRANK
and KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
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WASHINGTON - Embattled White House aides have begun to believe President Bush must take the reins personally if his evaporating agenda and credibility are to be salvaged.
We're just plodding along, admitted a senior Bush aide from deep within the West Wing bunker. It's up to the President to turn things around now.
Even as his poll numbers tank, however, Bush is described by aides as still determined to stay the course. He resists advice from Republicans who fear disaster in next year's congressional elections, and rejects criticism from a media establishment he disdains.
The President has always been willing to make changes, the senior aide said, but not because someone in this town tells him to - NEVER!
For the moment, Bush has dismissed discreetly offered advice from friends and loyalists to fire Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and bring back longtime confidant Karen Hughes from the State Department to shore up his personal White House staff.
He thinks that would be an admission he's screwed up, and he can't bring himself to do that, a former senior staffer lamented.
So aides have circled the wagons as Bush's woes mount, partly hoping they can sell the President on a December blitz of media interviews to help turn the tide.
The staff basically still has an unyielding belief in the wisdom of what they're doing, a close Bush confidant said. They're talking to people who could help them, but they're not listening.
Two sources said Bush has not only lost some confidence in his top aides, as the Daily News has previously reported, but is furious with a stream of leaks about the mood within the West Wing.
He's asking [friends] for opinions on who he can trust and who he can't, one knowledgeable source said.
Much to Bush's relief, political mastermind Karl Rove is said to be engaged in day-to-day strategy, even though he still could be indicted in the CIA leak case. Some in the White House think Rove is a continuing drain and has also hurt Bush's recovery by not clearing the reputation of spokesman Scott McClellan, who repeatedly told reporters Rove assured him he had nothing to do with leaking covert agent Valerie Plame's name, even though it's now clear he did.
The problem for Bush, advisers admit, is that the ongoing leak probe reinforces allegations that the White House allegedly hyped prewar intelligence to justify a war most Americans no longer support.
So far Team Bush doesn't know how to separate the two issues, and compounding its woes is the fact that aides aren't talking to each other as much as they once did.
Gone from the schedule are weekly cholesterol-laden breakfasts at Rove's home where top Bush hands discussed strategy. Also missing are Sunday message meetings with outside thinkers like GOP Chairman Ken Mehlman, campaign pollster Matthew Dowd and superlobbyist Ed Gillespie.
A card-carrying member of the Washington GOP establishment with close ties to the White House recently encountered several senior presidential aides at a dinner and came away shaking his head at their no problems here mentality.
There is just no introspection there at all, he said in exasperation. It is everybody else's fault - the press, gutless Republicans on the Hill. They're still in denial.
Not ready to throw in the towel and declare the boss a lame duck, the Bushies are hoping two issues can help firm up their base and perhaps make inroads with centrists who voted for Bush: the anticipated confirmation of Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito, and a plan to reinforce the border with Mexico to help stop illegal immigration.
This week Bush will begin to press the border security issue, while Alito's Senate confirmation hearings start early next year. Aides hope those issues will draw attention away from the war and leak probe.
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Talk about twisting things around!!!
She didn't say anything remotely close to what you're accusing her of saying!
Typical conservative lying and twisting of facts...
Note that the Army exceeded the June goal of 5,650 by 507 recruits……….but if it hadn’t have lowered the original goal which was 6,700, it would have missed its goal again by 545. Are these guys smart or what?
You guys just never get real or get honest...do you? ANd the pathetic part is that there so many folks who just follow along with the obvious deceptions and lies......
You're right....words are just words...so are Obama's...
...and don't/won't mean anything to many people, myself included.
He is no MLK.
It is a historic moment, of that I have no doubt. And yes, he has come far.
However, one still needs to have strength of character to back the words up for true meaning, and he is sadly lacking in that area.
Nothing but words hon, and we know how Obama's words
nm
Just a few words
For you to even think something like that shows you have it in your brain. I would never post some of the derogatory posts you and your friends from the conservative board have posted to me and to others. Does it bother you that much that I post strong opinions and refuse to be cowed by nasty responses? I have thick skin and I can roll with the punches. Seems to me every time I post you and your friends just have to respond, no matter what I post. By you responding so forcefully shows you are threatened by my ideology and the bigger picture, the liberal/democratic ideology. Be happy with your beliefs and espouse them but stop attacking people for their beliefs..In other words, chill out..you will do your heart a favor. This is a free country, my opinions are mine and I will continue to have them. Nothing you say will change my beliefs..so dont waste your time trying..I also must say, if you want to talk about people sounding like lunatics, re-read some of the conservative posts. A few profess to never attack or call names, yeah right, there is so much back biting and name calling on that board..but hey, its fair game when you are dealing with politics. they are all just words, nothing more. My bigger quest is to help turn this country around to the country I knew and loved through grass roots politics, belonging to the local democratic party and making sure the right ones get in mid year elections and in three years. This is just a politics board, LOL, nothing that gets my blood pressure elevated, that is for sure..The majority of Americans feel we are headed down the wrong track and our priorities are wrong. The latest poll shows the people losing faith and trust in Bush and his credibility is going down. The majority think Iraq was a mistake and worry that attacking Iraq made us less secure and more prone to attacks. Seems to me my opinions and those of most that post on the liberal board (save for the few conservatives who post here to attack and disrupt) are in the mainstream of American thought, fears and concerns. Now, I would hope the attacks will stop, as I will not respond to them anymore. If you want to debate, post the debate and Im sure many will join in but no one wants to be part of a board where crazy accusations such as you and yours have been posting about me keep getting posted.
Yes, among other words. NM
These were your words.
Still on this board!!! Tell me how what you said below is the same as:
As far as Iraq, of course, you twisted that all out of context. Lurker asked if I would go to Iraq to help rebuild and I said yes, if I could I would, but please don't tell the truth and continue to twist because you are twisted.
Yes, I will join. I was there once, I will go again. No problem at all. NM
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Posted By: MT on 2005-08-24,
In Reply to: Ridiculous...I think not - Lurker
There are no words, only
thoughts and prayers. I am so very sorry.
HER words (yet again):
Yes, I will join. I was there once, I will go again. No problem at all.
Not *would* join.... WILL JOIN. WILL GO AGAIN. WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those who believe in telling the truth can easily see the distortion.
The key words are
*announced* and *Bin Laden.*
Clinton announced to AMERICANS that he was specifically targeting Bin Laden. Remember him? HE was the guy responsible for 9/11, and HE is the guy that Bush ignored to instead invade Iraq.
Clinton wasn't targeting average Americans who are trying to pay off their J. C. Penney bills, and Clinton never used intimidating tactics towards American citizens.
Bush doesn't know how to do anything BUT use secrets, intimidation and fear tactics.
Words
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said I would choose to have an abortion, or choose to end life (which to me, are still 2 different things). I said that I believe in choice.
I have two words for you. SM
Walid Shoebat. I am willing to bet he knows way more than your professor about the Middle East and he doesn't agree with either one of you.
Wow! In her own words no less. I do not want any
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Two words
There is a word spelled choose and a word spelled chose. They certainly are confused a lot these days.
Choose is present tense and chose is past tense. They are pronounced differently.
I'm not picking on the poster; just making a general observation about a term many people misuse.
what a way with words . . .
guffaw.
WOW, you use BIG words, just like O!
I am so happy for you!
In their own words
Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
I'd love to know why I should have to bail out anyone. If my husband and I overextended ourselves and spent like drunken sailors we'd have nobody to blame but ourselves. So in that same concept we should turn to someone and essentially hand the bill for it over to him/her?
Also, as a Texan, we'll now be on the hook for billions (per the radio) from Ike. My husband and I don't HAVE a billion here, a billion there. They throw around million, billion, and trillion like it's petty cash!
In your own words. sm
The middle class disappears...money at the very top, and that's it. The middle class and the lower class become the same. Can you not see that is what has happened already in America?
your words
"and this notion that the democrats ruined everything since they took over - excuse me, we are not supposed to have 1 party in total power, remember that one? when you get all sides represented and respected, you have more freedom." Those are your words. What do you think we will have if Obama wins?? A democrat for president and a democratic congress. That would be one party in power, and that is not a pretty picture at all.
In other words........... sm
everything except his experience.
He was not addressing all the issues you listed in the video. Did you even WATCH it?
Yes, he might have known the words, but
But, you are supposed to repeat the oath given to you,word for word, and this would have been the "wrong" oath, so the justice had to correct himself, so the right oath was administered.
Do the words......(sm)
great depression and new deal ring a bell? I guess Econ 101 was too much for ya, so let's go back to high school American history. 
In other words....(sm)
there are no facts to support your claim. You guys just spout out anything...LOL.
In other words....(sm)
They don't want to admit that they get their info from Fox. They seem to be very anxious to spread all the crap that Fox comes up with, but when they are confronted to show facts they seem to be embarrassed about their source (assuming there is one)......Hmmmm...
So in other words
UAW = good. Insurance companies = bad?
The key words here are.............. sm
OPPORTUNITY versus REQUIREMENT.
I will use you as an example since you have said that you and your husband were married before a JP.
You have, in your scenario, met the qualifications of being able to have the benefits of marriage in terms of taxes, etc. You have the OPPORTUNITY to be married in a religious ceremoy if you so choose (which will be highly unlikely given that you and your husband are both atheists).
Conversely, my husband and I who were married in a religious ceremony would be REQUIRED to obtain a union in order to have the same benefits that you and your husband hold.
Thank you for the kind words.
I agree with everything you said.
I think that lumping people together and making gross inaccurate generalizations does nothing but prevent any intelligent discourse from occurring, and that's very sad because these issues are very serious. Our very ability to keep BREATHING may be in jeopardy, particularly if we don't start concentrating on our own safety. Bush has made Iraq much less safe place to be, and he hasn't done much to make the United States a safe place to be. If we truly NEED our military someday to protect US in a homeland attack, where will they all be?
What also worries me is that our enemies might consider this a bilateral "religious" war. They already believe it is, yelling and effecting "Jihad." But the current focus on one particular brand of Christianity in this country -- not religion in general, but one particular BRAND of Christianity -- makes me wonder if Bush himself doesn't think this is a religious war. The fact that he might think so is what scares me the most, as history tell us they are the most deadly, bloody wars of all. I personally don't want the U.S. to be known as a "Christian" nation. One of the things I love the most about this country is the freedom that we're SUPPOSED to have to worship freely, and I will personally oppose anyone who tries to take that away from us.
It's sad that tolerance and respect aren't in more people's hearts and souls.
So in other words, God offends you.
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They were just using one of your favorite words
or do you own the copyright of the word liar?
Your exact words....
(quote)Believe me, If Scarborough is upset with Bush, there's a reason. He's always supported Bush.(unquote)
Actions vs words.
Bush cannot recommend a constitutional amendment defining marriage as taking place between a man and a woman without a healthy respect for the Constitution itself. One does not merely walk into Iraq on the basis of a **** piece of paper. This story is a year and a half old. The publication who broke this story is about as far left as one can get. If the reputable publications from both sides of the fence felt it was a real story, they would have certainly run with it. They didn't. That' s my take on it after examining it.
Yes, they are very fine words..
written by some very fine minds. Ghandi says much the same. I think I'll stick with the great minds. Cat bites and scratches dangerous ?...sometimes...people who mistreat animals or wish them harm dangerous ?...always.
Those are really fine words.
However, if the cat is harming human life, and everyone knows how toxic a cat scratch or bite can be, and the owner refuses to maintain her animal, what is the solution? Maybe a new home.
Words of this century...sm
Stay the course.
It's hard work.
Liberate the Iraqis.
I'm a patriot (and you're not).
Did I mention *it's hard work, staying the course to liberate the Iraqis because I'm a patriot (and you're not).*
Any ring to those words? Boy, if Peewee were still in the playhouse now.
Anywho, the point is and you said it yourself, Fox is a conservative leaning network. And the liberal guests can debate, you may feel they can't because they are double teamed by the anchor/pundit and the conservative guests.
You know my game? You don't even know your own words.
I responded directly to your post and quoted your own name calling words, but you don't know what I'm talking about?!
The words out of context...sm
Were the words he spoke himself on NBC Nightly News. His words were not altered. They were followed by an opinion with which he does not agree, but that does not make the documentary a LIE.
The words out of context
When you twist someone's words and give an opinion following that cannot be contested by the speaker, fully intending that your opinion be attributed to the speaker as truth...that, my friend, is a lie. And it is not the only lie in that mocumentary. Michael Moore never has had taste (Bowling for Columbine) and he never will. The fact that people buy into his anger and hatred and gloss it over as a documentary still boggles the mind.
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