Please address the 4 key points raised in terms of
Posted By: MCCAIN'S economic plan. Got it? on 2008-10-10
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Let's put this in MT terms........
All things being equal, that being that the whole MT industry would crumble if something weren't done, would you take a cut in pay to save the industry?
Unless the GOP comes to terms with
its failed campaign tactics, anachronistic platform, leadership vacuum and the specter W's looming legacy and, instead, stay focused on their vigilante O witch hunts and endless smear tactics, that election may as well be skipped. I can't see any evidence on this forum, in the media, on the net or in the chambers of Congress that they are even aware of those problems, let alone any efforts to address them.
For that reason, I will be continuing to keep my altercount based in that reality, so plesae spare me the civics lectures. You have every right to believe in fairy tales, but they won't win elections either.
You are speaking in terms of only 1 ...
Calm down and have another drink of your Obama Kool-Aid and watch the other 2, maybe you will catch it.
I was thinking more in the terms of...(sm)
G-O-P -- yeah, you know me.....ROFL. Steele not only has no clue about the hip hop community, but his following obviously has no clue what he's trying to do. Yeah, I'm gonna enjoy this one.
The terms used against Bush can only be described as hatred. sm
 I can truthfully say, this place sounds like the DU and that is not a compliment. Oh, I know, I know, this is the liberal board. Gosh, I long for the days when we talked on the same board. Fights or not, it was challenging. Anyway, I am back to school next week, so I won't be hanging out anymore. Bet you'll miss me!!! Not!
McCain is not 80. He would be if elected 2 terms (nm)
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That sure tells the story in no uncertain terms...
what is amazing is, KNOWING this, people will vote for him anyway.
We should send that link to everyone we know.
No, I was correct 1473 days - If you want to keep it real you have to come to terms that
Don't you get it? Don't you understand the basic concepts of our political election system here in the US. Every four years there is an election. The next election is 2012. That means 1473 days.
Don't you realize that Obama has not taken office yet so we don't know yet whether he will be a good president or not. Why don't you just want before assuming he will be in for eight years. As you know what they say about people who assume.
Yeah, let's keep it real. Next election will be 11/4/2012. As far as I know America has not changed our laws and just decided to skip that election.
You mean like his mom and grandmother who raised him?
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This is the question being raised? Where would
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Recruitment is low because they RAISED their quota. And, they
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from his teens on he was raised by maternal
I just read he was raised by his maternal white grandparents from his teen years to adulthood and all thru college....
But that's not what I meant.....I meant when he is campaigning (I should have made that more clear in the last post) - in every state - I see a predominance of white people. I do not believe white people are a majority today and if so many like/love Obama, how come from state-to-state I MAINLY see whites? Again, this is strictly a curious question and not the least bit racist intended........I'm white....
I know black people who are voting for him, personally and famous, voting for him - but on TV and in the campaign only state-to-state, I only see whites...
She has raised most all her kids while in some form...
of public service. I think she is fully capable of raising this one. I see no evidence to the contrary.
Come on now...are you saying that if the Obamas had a down's child and he was elected that Michelle should just stay in the white house and raise him and not do what the first ladies normally do? They travel, they give speeches, yada yada.
Palin's husband will be of help. It's not like she is going to be in DC, just she and Trig with no help whatsoever.
Yes, he is a down's baby, but he is perfectly healthy in every other way.
Well, so far the Dems have raised as issues...
Sarah palin's pregnant daughter and her pastor. Anyone who talked about obama's pastor got sliced and diced. Talk about gutter politics. And glaring double standard.
Whatever Palin is, she is NOT a Marxist/socialist, and it is patently obvious the change Obama wants...as David ALinsky stands by and cheers.
In reply to the concerns you raised.
My first reaction when reading your post was one of curiosity. I was an IC during the latter Clinton years and I do not recall paying 40% of my earnings to tax. What I remember was an aggregate tax payment composed of income tax, social security tax and self-employment tax, which essentially represented a burden I shouldered as an IC that compensated for the lack of employer contribution to SS, Medicare and FICA. To my knowledge, this tax structure has not changed since then for ICs. I also remember paying my taxes quarterly, and being responsible for calculating enough tax not only to cover my required amounts, but also to pay in extra each time if I wanted to generate a return at the end of the year. I made a decision NOT to be an independent contractor because I was a single parent with a mortgage. The self-employment levy felt like double tax to me as compared to what I had been accustomed to as an employee and, most definitely the total percentage of tax burden as an IC was greater than that of a full employee status.
On checking my returns from those years (which I still keep in the house) I find the total tax burden I had for all the components of my tax liability amounted to 27%. I am wondering if you did not get a return back then because you did not contribute more than the minimum rate during the course of the year and that later on, your contributions did allow you to have a return. Also, to account for the lower rate during Bush years, did your family situation change between Clinton years and Bush years, did you get married, have children, add an earned income tax credit deduction, add dependents, start itemizing your taxes. All these changes would account for a lower percentage rate of your tax liability, thus allowing for a return.
I am also wondering why you would look back instead of forward when assessing the issue of whether or not you will be "taxed more." Have you read Obama's tax plan? If not, please go to this link and take a look. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#tax-relief
Essentially this is what you will find (please excuse the format challenges of cut and paste).
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.
• Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
• Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000: Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This proposal will eliminate income taxes for 7 million seniors and provide these seniors with an average savings of $1,400 each year. Under the Obama plan, 27 million American seniors will also not need to file an income tax return.
• Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
It also might be worthwhile to check out the plan on the economy here
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
Scroll down to At a Glance and browse the links of interest to you.
Here's the link for healthcare
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Again, scroll down to At a Glance and select links of interest.
I have provided Obama website links because you expressed doubts about democratic policy. McCain's website also should have similar information available on these issues as well for your comparison. After reviewing the information (if you were not already familiar with it), ask yourself where the information is coming from that is making you fearful that your taxes will be raised. I would really be interested in any response you may feel inclined to post in this regard. On a personal note, I will not be trusting McCain with the economy or with handling my HARD EARNED tax money. I do NOT want one more single penny to be used to fund the war, bankroll Israel's apartheid and nuclear weapons arsenal, prop up our struggling corporations or trickle up into the pockets of the richest among us in the form of continued Bush tax cuts to the rich, which McCain has openly stated he will continue if elected.
So what? I know people that were raised as practicing -
witches. Doesn't mean they're all gonna drop a house on someone.
He was raised by his "white" grandmother.
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Congratulations, you have obviously raised your daughter right.
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Born and raised in Chatta
Left there years ago but still visit some, went to high school there, Red Bank. I still get the News Free Press on line to make sure everything on the up and up there.
My children have always been raised with boundries . . . s/m
and consequences, and that's why they are exceptionally ethical, compassionate young adults, straight-A students, and, in general, wonderful human beings well on their way to being productive, responsible grown adults. I am their parent first, always. I have instilled them with the information and tools to make wise decisions, and this seems to be working well for me and them.
Well my son is being raised in an all white family (stepdad)
I don't know how Obama was raised but maybe it has something to do with it.
and he was raised by his radical islamic stepfather
Be very aware..........
and if his wife is a member of the CFR - trust me, he's involved too.....
New World Order - New American Century - Skull and Bones - read up on it.........
You're confused - she was raised in Idaho
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I was raised by very conservative, strict parents. - sm
But once you get beyond high school, and into college or out into the working world, you meet so many different kinds of people. I'd be lying if I said I got along with all of them (or even maybe most of them?) But in my own experience, beginning back when I met the first gay person I ever knew (he had his own horse, and he let me ride it all the time), my personal friendships have been good ones. I wouldn't trade any of them for anything, and feel sad when I think they sometimes have to live certain aspects of their lives as ƈnd-class' citizens. Especially when each and every one contributes so much to society, and to life in general. So I really have no idea, as well.
I am not afraid of a black man raised by whites. sm
Flame away, but.....What I AM afraid of is people who cannot see the forest for the trees, those who are so bamboozled by his smoke and mirrors and snake oil, how this "black man raised by whites" is going to pay for all the pie-in-the sky promises he is making. We all know socialized medicine does not work. Look at all the Canadians coming here for their medical procedures etc. How much money can he take from the "have's" to give to the "have not's?" So if I make over $250K, then I have to give money to somebody who doesn't work and will never work? And don't even get me started on his stand on the abortion issue. Conversely, McCain does not have all the answers either. I don't know who would or who does, but I do know this: It is not Obama.
Hubert Hoover raised taxes
during an economic recession and that lead to The Great Depression. Obama is the one wanting to raise taxes here. He wants to raise taxes on companies who are already hurting right now because of the financial crisis. This will lead to less jobs and more companies closing and going out of the country. FDR introduced several new deals which were government assistant programs that were supposed to help people during the great depression and those new deals have actually been proven to lengthen the duration of the great depression.....not help it. Obama wants to introduce new government assisted programs. To me....Obama will be the absolutely worst thing for this economy.
As for Sarah Palin....at least she has run something which is more than I can say for Obama. He may have been a community organizer but the buildings in his region that were for low-income families, like the ones owned by Rezko, were often without heat and were horrible living conditions. Sarah Palin has run a state where she is very popular. She has cut spending in her state. She has no problem standing up to her own party. These are very admirable things. Yes, Obama has been on the senate but he hasn't been on there very long. His experience of running things and making executive decisions is seriously lacking. Instead of cutting back government spending, he wants to raise our taxes. Gee....that sounds like change, huh. A man looking out for us little people.....whatever. Obama has never once stood up against his own party. His own running mate said he didn't have the experience. The amount of pork Obama has spent government money on is just outrageous. The key to this whole thing is to get government under control and stop the spending.....not let government get bigger and control more of OUR money.
Suggest independent researching of the issues raised here...
they are valid and should be looked at. Thanks for posting.
Obama raised as practicing Muslim - see link
This is not in ancient times. He was a practicing Muslim as an adult. Question is, is he still a practicing muslim hiding as a Christian. See link.
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-grew-up-muslim-half-brother.html
Raised by a Muslim father and Christian mother
It is a crock, it was refuted. You live in a very small world with no understanding of other cultures. That picture shows me that when he returned to Kenya to meet his father's family, he put on clothing that other Kenyan men wear...Christians and Muslims alike. When I lived in the Middle East with my husband and his family, I wore Hijab and covered my head out of RESPECT for them and for the people whose country I was visiting. Respect obviously is a foreign concept to you. Christiane Amanpour is a Christian who travels to the Middle East and when she does, she covers her head and wears hijab, like she did when she made God's Warriors. Barbara Walters wears a head cover when traveling in the Middle East. She is a Christian. I will not waste my time citing any other examples to support my claim that you are so small minded, bigoted and misinformed it borders on the criminal.
So why are you here? Address the
their homes if they are so liberated?
Here's a web address regarding that.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html
So, does that mean no, you do not want to address it? NM
I will address it
Neither McCain nor Palin ever brought up assissination.
Hillary Clinton did! Fact - on tape - cannot deny it.
Obama suppporters loathed McCain/Palin. Many times I heard people saying they wished they would die. - Fact.
McCain supporters loathed Obama/Biden. I have heard people say some really bad things about him too. I have never once heard on tape anyone saying assassination except Hillary Clinton. - Fact.
Whatever. How about addressing the actual issues I raised in my post for a change? (NT)
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What available information suggests Sarah palin's children will be raised...
by a succession of nannies?
Those are ethnic Alaskan names, part of her heritage and where she was raised...
do you REALLY want to get into a discussion about ethnic names when your candidate is named Barack Hussein Obama?
Can we please dump this ridiculous issue? He was named because his parents were proud of their heritage. So are Sarah Palin's children.
Good grief!! Unbelievable!!
Honey chile, I was bred, born and raised in the deep south. LOL
net address, not link
I dont know why the link wont work, brings me to another MTstars page anyway, the site is www.capitolhillblue.com. Do a search for this net address and you will find the site. The article is on the first page. Enjoy.
why don't you address the issues here instead of
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Any of you Republicans want to address this? s/m
Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America........given to us by Bush, "the decider." And you find Obama "scary?"
Obama's 12/06 address......... sm
Hope everyone is crosstraining in some other career........
—ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS: “In addition to connecting our libraries and schools to the Internet, we must also ensure that our hospitals are connected to each other through the Internet. That is why the economic recovery plan I’m proposing will help modernize our health care system – and that won’t just save jobs, it will save lives. We will make sure that every doctor’s office and hospital in this country is using cutting edge technology and electronic medical records so that we can cut red tape, prevent medical mistakes, and help save billions of dollars each year.”
More in the link below.
I will address only one point s/m
As a long-time wife of union workers, I will tell you for fact that when union workers get raises and better benefits, non-union workers also get raises and better benefits. So just exactly who is it that doesn't benefit? Except, of course, big business....like Wal-Mart who will keep unionization out at any cost. Why? Because they would have to treat their employees fairly. The late great (NOT) Ronald Reagan, himself a card-carrying union member, vowed to break the unions and he did what he promised. Do you think workers are better off today?? Union members STILL have affordable health care AND pensions as do their retirees. I know..........thanks to my husband's long time union membership. His employer, Consolidated Freightways, established a non-union company (Con-Way Freight) and bankrupted the union arm of their business....with the exception of their Mexico and Canadian operations....so they could get out of their union contract and pay their workers less. The Teamsters back Obama and, yes, their fat cats want to further enrich themselve, but in so doing they have to drag the common workers along with them. POWER TO UNIONS!
I will address one thing. s/m
I did not intend to insult YOUR intelligence. I was speaking of American people in GENERAL. Obviously from your post you agree, whether you agreed in words or not, it's there between the lines i.e. your BIL's employees who complain. I was not speaking of people who bought off more debt than they could chew, I have NO sympathy for them. As far as I'm concerned these people who are living in 5000 sq. ft houses as you said and can't afford it, get what they deserve and I am certainly not in favor of bailing them out. I was speaking of people who are having trouble paying their heating/electric bills, buying groceries and gas to get to work on their $10 an hour jobs.
I say the outsourcing of American jobs is inexcusable. You proved my point regarding your BIL. If he, a small business, can give good jobs to his employees don't tell me the big businesses can't do likewise. You are correct, some people would complain if they were in God's pocket with their head sticking out! His employees who complain as far as I'm concerned, he ought to fire them and hire people who appreciate a good job in this day and age.
Please don't think anything I say personally. I do not mean it to be personal to anyone but if the shoe fits..........then I guess people can wear it.
OK, send me his address
He SHOULD have been told this before he was enlisted as cannon fodder for the war mongerers who were planning this fake war BEFORE the Supreme coup gave them the WhiteHouse.
No one doubts your nephew's good intentions for serving in the military. IN FACT, WE SUPPORT him so much, that we think he ought not be used as BAIT to secure more riches for the military industrial complex.
PLEASE do some research: This 'war' was manufactured and worse, 9/11 should have been and COULD have been prevented. IF THEY HAD DONE THAT, HOWEVER, they would not have been able to inflame a nation to war with a country that never attacked us.
SHAME on Americans who believe WITHOUT verifying or thinking for themselves!
We can't address the current....(sm)
economic nightmare without also addressing those who are already suffering from it. If that is not addressed while we are setting up new jobs, then we go straight into a depression. It's a whole lot harder and longer to get out of a full-blown depression that what we have now....and right now we're on the edge.
NASA = The 50 million Obama allotted for NASA is for them to repair facilities in Houston from hurricaine Ike (which should have already been done, btw) and non-space activities. Again, job creation. NASA wants more, but I doubt they'll get it.
Funny, but these don't seem to address
By which, of course, I mean the fact that socialism hasn't worked ANYWHERE, at ANY TIME.
Just a small omission, of course.
This is the last time I am going to address your posts. sm
The administrator and I have posted and reposted the rules. I don't care what publication approved what. The administrator will not allow extremely inflammatory posts regarding the President and these rules have been outlined to you repeatedly. As the administrator has said, this board is read worldwide. Have a care for what you post. No one has run to me asking to have posts removed. I remove the posts that do violate the rules. I suggest you post in another venue if you cannot manage to respect the rules of this board.
This really doesn't address my post
It appears to be another excuse to vent your dislike of all things liberal. It contains misguided and erroneous assumptions, as usual.
But I do appreciate the time you took to compose it. Just wish your time could be spent on something more constructive or insightful...something that could educate or enlighten the reader rather than leaving them scratching their heads thinking....what in the heck is she ranting about.....sure makes me think those neocons are bonkers..... I wish for once one of your posts would make me think golly, she might have a point there instead of feeling like someone had defecated on me. Understand?
Way too juvenile to address this flap.
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BTDT. Please address views of the
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I did address it directly. In the post above....
and you proved my point about the attacking. Typical dem.
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