Then why are you whining...er...posting, if you have more important things to do....nm
Posted By: nm on 2008-09-08
In Reply to: Whiners are of no interest. Got more - important issues to address than this trivia. nm
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I'm going with -- because they have more important things to do (nm)
You said it, I didn't...you said those things are important...
so why not post those concerns instead of Bush bashes? Lip service. You do not believe your own platform.
mccain 2 important things
When making up your mind remember that when a town hall participant said we needed to restart the draft, McCain said he did not disagree. Why a draft if the war is being resolved and no other ones in the works? Also, McCain wants to privitize Social Security. Bush did his best to get that begun, and the country resoundly said thanks, no thanks. Wall Street disasters like oil speulators, Enron and Fannie Mae surely are enough to give a thinking voter pause when it comes to turning over your future retirement to those on Wall Street
This is a place for politics posting and that is the issue important to me...
if you don't like it, again, don't read'em. To quote you, enough already enough already.
really, what am i whining about?
if it was about anything it would be about how unbelievably CHILDISH you really are.
I may be everything you call me, but PHONEY is not one of them. I'm as real as they come, which is why I'm not afraid to stand up to your lame attempts at silencing me and anyone else who doesn't agree with your point of view. It's really pathetic that you want to cut down anyone else that doesn't agree with you. People are able to disagree, until someone like you steps in and can only start throwing insults out. if my opinion makes me "self righteous", so be it. but dont EVER call me phoney, it just shows that BS flows freely from your mouth
It's all so much hypocritical whining.
Gee, how much did we wish that people would just lay off a little and let Clinton's private matters stay private for the sake of his family and the nation as a whole.
But NOOOOO, that wouldn't do, would it? The avid glee in exposing his most painful and regrettable bad judgment was the talk of Bushtown, they just HAD to smear it in all our faces and stuff it down our throats ad nauseum - no mercy there, no letting up, no quarter. Vultures.
Now look how they act when people speculate about a former alcoholic and coke blower possibly returning to the habit/s during a time of extreme stress - which is not even a ridculous thing to contemplate, God knows we all know someone who has been caught in this trap. If this is the case it's unfortunate for him, but the point is, it really DOES vitally affect our nation if it's true.
I'm afraid the right handed away its right to credibility on calling for compassion for the personal dignity of the chief executive. You had a chance to show some when the matter DIDN'T affect our nation's security, and you simply blew it big time.
In any case I think it's safe to say that should Bush be tipping a few, he's going to get far better treatment from sympathetic Americans both Republican AND Democrat than his predecessor did for his particular indulgences.
You're the one who's whining.......
WAH! Get over your self-righteous, phoney self.
Nope, she's definitely whining...(sm)
Here's what I see. SP gave all of what, 2 or 3 interviews on major networks other than Fox. She fouled those up, not because she was bad at interviews, but because of a serious lack of knowledge. She has yet to give an accurate description of the role of the VP, by the way (did she have 3 tries at that one?). The only other time you saw SP on TV was either on Fox where they just sang Kumbaya or at a rally calling Obama a terrorist. Keep in mind that at the time she was pretty much unknown, so if people wanted to form an opinion of her, she didn't give them much to work with. If she wanted so desparately to show the country her *grit* then why didn't she do more interviews? Oh, and by the way, all reporters bone up before big interviews, and to be quite honest the questions posed to SP looked like a 3rd grader quiz compared to the questions Biden dealt with. Meanwhile, Obama not only showed up on Fox but did a 3 part special with O'Reilly. Biden appeared on Fox as well. In fact, they were both all over the place giving interviews, including the internet. What would you have said about Obama if the only network he had shown up on was MSNBC?
The bottom line is, if she plans on being in national politics, she needs to be able to at least handle mainstream media. If she can't do that (and it's painfully obvious she can't) then how in the world do you think she would be able to handle leaders of other countries, much less anything else?
Nope, she's definitely whining...(sm)
Here's what I see. SP gave all of what, 2 or 3 interviews on major networks other than Fox. She fouled those up, not because she was bad at interviews, but because of a serious lack of knowledge. She has yet to give an accurate description of the role of the VP, by the way (did she have 3 tries at that one?). The only other time you saw SP on TV was either on Fox where they just sang Kumbaya or at a rally calling Obama a terrorist. Keep in mind that at the time she was pretty much unknown, so if people wanted to form an opinion of her, she didn't give them much to work with. If she wanted so desparately to show the country her *grit* then why didn't she do more interviews? Oh, and by the way, all reporters bone up before big interviews, and to be quite honest the questions posed to SP looked like a 3rd grader quiz compared to the questions Biden dealt with. Meanwhile, Obama not only showed up on Fox but did a 3 part special with O'Reilly. Biden appeared on Fox as well. In fact, they were both all over the place giving interviews, including the internet. What would you have said about Obama if the only network he had shown up on was MSNBC?
The bottom line is, if she plans on being in national politics, she needs to be able to at least handle mainstream media. If she can't do that (and it's painfully obvious she can't) then how in the world do you think she would be able to handle leaders of other countries, much less anything else?
typo - meant cite things as hoax, not "site" things
Just thought I'd correct that before I get pummeled by the people who want to believe snopes is a truthful organization.
This is really funny, mostly because the left is whining about ...
some of the illegals might be terrorists so we have to stop it all now and you are certainly in a state that has it's share of illegals but none of them are terrorists now. My head is spinning. You guys need to get your stories straight. No one knows where the terrorists will come and they won't care what your political leanings are or that you know judo or whatever you know and have a big dog. They aren't going to ask you any questions, and if they did, you wouldn't be able to understand what they were saying. There is no fear in being prepared. But all the pansy butt left who think the terrorists can be reasoned with will get a real wakeup call. And you will be doing what every other gun hating leftist does when they are attacked by someone with a gun. Call a cop to come with his gun and save you. Hypocrits.
Ah, quit your whining, you're just a know-nothing
God help us, PK, this is the best response we can elicit. I can hear them already. I guess it's easier to just DENY, DENY, DENY and swiftboat than face the truth. Where,exactly, does the proverbial buck stop? javascript:editor_insertHTML('text',' ');
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I take back the whining remark. sm
I will replace it with pitiful.
Be a big girl and stop whining already
Yeah, I guess in your eyes gays and lesbians should just sit back and be content with being the second-class citizens you would like them to be.
At some point we do have to quit whining
and do something for ourselves. Perpetual victimhood is not healthy.
Weren't you the one crying and whining
about how dare CA take away the rights they had given to gay people and how it shouldn't have been voted on and blah blah blah. You even brought up women's right to vote and how about we overturn that....blah blah blah. Now you want to take away the benefits that marriage has always had just because gay people want everything equal. I do believe that you were one of the ones that said it wasn't fair for gays to have to settle for civil unions and how dare I suggest such a thing.
Honestly....I'd agree to this just to shut you people up because I'm so sick to death of hearing about gay rights and poor gay people.....blah blah blah. Once again....I guess the Bible thumpers that you hate so much will do the compromising and once again give up something of ours to make you happy. Feel better now?
So you have a roof over your head and you're whining about your
NM
There is plenty of conservative activity there. Stop whining.
The simply fact is you were whining and crying about us being on your board sm
when you are almost just as often on ours. Is that a hard concept to get through your noggin or do I need to hire a sky writer?
Ridiculous post. Quit your whining, big babies
nm
Gee...they left out the Mayor of Detroit whining for money. What's up with that? sm
Detroit is just one of many with their hands out to the feds. Detroit has been a drain on the rest of Michigan for years. The best thing that can happen to Detroit is to cut it loose and float it up the St. Lawrence Seaway and then the rest of the state can get back to business...if there is any left that is.
more important to you?
Excuse me, more important to you than me? No, it is more important to ME. You are an onlooker, it is my blood.
He has just never been that important to me.. nm
nm
So are dad's not as important?
Is this what you are suggesting because I do believe some of SP's children are older than Obama's and yet no one seems to be spatting about him leaving his children to run for president. Of SP's 5 children....only 2 are younger....which is the same number of young children Obama has. Yet it seems to be okay with everything that he just let Michelle Obama raise their children while he runs around the country to be prez. Why is it not acceptable that Todd Palin take care of the two younger children while his wife tries to make this country better....including for her children. Why....because Todd is the dad and he should be out working while SP stay at home cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids.........seriously....who time warped us back to the 50s?
Oh I see....what was more important than ....
the Katrina victims at that point? Looks like I need to go to the senate site and see what Biden and Obama felt was so important they had to vote for the bridge.
People WERE suffering from Katrina and they had a chance to vote for it. They chose not to. Where does integrity come in? Where is country first, party second? What was so all-fired important they voted FOR a huge earmark for a bridge and against help for Katrina victims?
As as for pork...it is added by BOTH parties and that is what McCain/Palin seek to stop. Plus earmarks for personal gain...like Obama earmarking a million bucks for his wive's employer...who had just that month DOUBLED her salary.
Face it...Obama is old Washington politics, just like Biden is. There is no change there. Same old washington politics. He has demonstrated throughout his career. Yes, other politicians do it. That is exactly what I am talking about.
It is time it stopped, and the only people who have ANY history of bucking their own party to do that are McCain/Palin. Now THERE is change you can believe in.
Well, I think it is more important when the man...
running on the ticket with you only a few months ago voiced the opinion that you were not qualified for the job...however...in a strict changing your story view, yes. Weighing the importance of the two issues (lipstick on a pig and your #2 saying you were not qualified for the job) is up to the reader.
How is this not important?
I know that, on the surface, it's really easy to write this off as a nonissue. But I would ask that, regardless of party, everyone stop for a moment and consider what it MEANS.
It means that a make-up artist was more important to the McCain campaign than any other adviser or staff member. It's representative of shallowness and wasteful excess. It shows clear skewed judgment in what's important in our nation.
And, frankly, it was clearly wasteful expenditure. Palin looked perfectly fine before the excessive celebrity life the campaign brought to her. There was no need for this. She's an attractive woman, and absolutely not in need of this Paris Hilton-esque extravagance.
Why the campaign and RNC thought it would make her more "popular" is pretty head-scratching. Instead, they just made themselves look like, well, the type of people who aren't really "for" the middle class after all. The type of people who think style is more important than substance.
Is it?
Why this is important...(sm)
If Bush is not tried for his crimes, it sets a precedence for successive abuse of power....even for Obama. As a country, until we acknowledge and correct our shortcomings we cannot move forward. What do you think the rest of the world will say if we don't do something about it? We talk alot about justice and being fair, but until we can show that we are willing to uphold those ideals we are no better than the ones who would commit those crimes.
The economy is the focus right now, and yes, it should be dealt with first and foremost, and that is being done. But that is not to say that we cannot accomplish other things at the same time. If they do go after Bush, all Obama has to do is step aside and not stop the preceedings. This is all about the judicial branch of government, not the White House.
Seems pretty important to me
Well, if his trustee is saying Frist was updated regularly on his blind trust, I kind of think that is something. It is a formal investigatinn by the SEC. I kind of think that is something.
Yeah, you wish you were important enough
for somebody to be spying on you....does your paranoia know no bounds? 
BUt that's the most important thing to me....
Unfortunately not all news sources are created equal and unbiased.
As far as things changing over time.....it seems that things have to change as new information is brought to light. Ask Colin Powell. We have to adapt and change with this new information.
Can't find your quote from Russert to Cheney anywhere on the internet.
As far as Tenet's slam-dunk comment, the people at that meeting were Bush, Cheney, and CIA-director John McLaughlin.....oh, and you. Couldn't find any female names mentioned in that meeting, however.
As far as the 747 fuselage in the desert....could only find a handful of references to it on the whole internet and none were compelling and again, most were from far right wing publications.
I feel a story is only as truthful as its source and sometimes the truthfulness of a story can never be completely determined. You say the source doesn't matter, I say it is EVERYTHING. Reflect upon North Korea today, former communist Russia and China even today....all highly censored government news sources. Those folks will never get the real story and heaven knows it's hard enough to get it in a free country like the US.
much too important to go unread
brought up from below.
It's long been a safe assumption that U.S. troops generally vote Republican. And with Vietnam war hero John McCain leading the GOP presidential ticket, many pundits expect the military to favor the Republicans with their wallets, too. But so far, Barack Obama appears to be leading his rival by a 6-to-1 margin in campaign contributions from deployed troops. The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics reports that Obama has collected just over $60,000 from deployed troops compared to McCain's $10,000 in figures up to June 30.
More importantly, why is it so important to YOU
What are you so afraid is going to happen if some of us don't?
Important issue
Dealing with our enemies - I read an article and was going to post the link, but the article is positioned on the page odd and I had to scroll down to the bottom and words went off the screen so I cut and pasted some of it here. If you still wish to see the article let me know and I'll provide a link..
Obama is described as “eloquent and dazzling. In writing, he sounds like the candidate for class president pledging no more homework and free pizza”. – (pretty good description I'd say)
His position on Iran – “If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation”. – That, that’ll show them.
While other candidates have insisted that we should threaten to drop nuclear bombs on terrorist training camps, Obama believes that we must talk openly about nuclear weapons – because “the best way to keep America safe is not to threaten terrorists with nuclear weapons”. Obama will secure all loose nuclear materials in the world within four years. “This will deny terrorists the ability to steal or buy loose nuclear material”. – Does he really believe the most vicious people will be thwarted that easily?
People should remember that no matter how eloquently offered it is not always for the better.
You actually think it is more important for Obama...
to keep campaigning than to go back to Washington and do his job as a United States Senator which he, by the way, still is and we are paying him for? Pullezzzeeee.
Did I miss something important? AS is a pub gov
He ran under the pub ticket and was elected by Californian pubs and other star-struck Californians. Do you disagree with the idea that repulicans come in different flavors or should I be translating you message from Christian right-wing fringe-speak to mean roughly "my way or the highway" on what it means to be a REAL republican?
The most important issue.....
this election is freedom. On November fourth we will determine which path our government will take, liberty or Marxism. I will choose liberty.
McCain/Palin 2008 
I guess I consider it to be more important
to be well read and informed on the important issues rather than worrying about some trivial little geek-speak that you seem so well versed in. Congratulations, you win the petty award of the day!!
Believe it or not, the appearance is also very important..
IN ADDITION to his fabulous qualifications.
I recommend you to log off and take a rest.
Thank you! There are so many actual important
issues to be discussing rather than wasting time on their silly fairy tale while the economy crumbles.
Why do you just ignore the important
the gutter? Girl, you need to get a life! Oh, that's right, you said you did already. Transcribing 3500 lines a day, then the rest of a day stirring the pot on an internet forum just isn't my idea of a life.
NOTHING is more important from a president than
NM
What's more important than the most vulnerable........
nm
The important question here is..
You are rude and condescending. I hope it gives you back some little feeling of power that is obviously missing in your "real" life. I pity you.
I guess I think it's important to know his history.
In my case, that means a lot to me, even when people say things I agree with. Besides, a famous man once said A litany of complaints is not a plan. I believe most Americans want us out of Iraq. I don't believe a precipitous withdrawal will be to the benefit of anyone. None of us wants to see those men (not boys, as Phil says. That's an insult to these men and women who are all enlisted voluntarily.) and women harmed. The idealouge is definitely diametrically opposed. Some mouthpieces are just better to hear it from than Phil Donahue. As Bernard Goldberg said of Phil in 100 People Who are Screwing up America, Phil Donahue made the world safe for emotion masquerading as thought. His first guest on his first show was Madalyn O'Hair (very appropo, since he is himself an atheist). Bernard says in his book that his show was so fresh that no one stopped to realize how far, even for a liberal, his ideas were from the mainstream. But mainly what he did, in show after show, year after year, was give tremendous exposure, and his own strong support, to the forces challenging traditional beliefs and behavior. Phil was the champion of the it's not your fault, blame society way of thinking. His shows centered around this way of thinking. His virulent hatred for authority extended to anyone in positions of authority, including police, for whom he had an especial loathing. Yes, we will have to agree to disagree.
There doesn't seem to be any objectivity here. However, more important
there seems to be no concern for what is going on in our classrooms. I am not talking about political bias, either. I am talking about WHAT THE TEACHER SAID. It's been recorded. There is no way to misinterpret it. I am AMAZED that anyone would defend it. But not surprised. Thankfully, not all liberals are so close-minded. And I AM thankful for that.
but in that 24 hours important information
could get away. The NSA should be monitored, but 24 hours on wiretaps that need to be done right now is just not realistic for accurate intelligence gathering.
When you dial into a phone line you've just given up your right to privacy. You are not guaranteed privacy on phone lines owned by private companies. There is no privacy contract of any sort when you dial a phone. That's where the disconnect lies. Pardon the pun.
If John Edwards was not important...
The Clintonites are now saying that John Edwards nomination is not that important. (what???)
If that is true then why did she campaign so hard to try to get him to endorse her? Why did she immediately after he dropped out of the race change her tone and try to mimick him. You know for a fact if he endorsed her she would be making this out to be the greatest victory in America.
The fact is this IS an important endorsement. As important as AL Gore's will be and as important as Bush's endorsement to the republicans.
She's just upset that it took away the limelight of her win in W.Virginia, which I believe was not as big as a win in Iowa, Washington State, Maine and other bigger states. Now they said that because Obama didn't win WV there is no way he'll win the election in November?....yeah right. Funny how they are completely missing all his big wins. Of course they are trying to spin it as if all of his wins are not important...only the ones she won. Brother give me a break!
The sooner she is out of the race the more I can breath a sigh of relief!
You make an important observation.
The "arrogance" and "elite" accusations are tactics used ad nauseum in the absence of direct debate on issues, when trying to avoid confronting talking points that have been raised and when trying to run from fact and valid observations/opinions. Usually these accusations are made by folks whose own fund of knowledge is limited on the issues at hand and who are not inspired to research to broaden their own fact base in rebuttal.
This is when the accusations surface and attitudes are substituted for intelligent discourse. You are right. The confusion you describe and accusations of this nature are typically leveled against Obama, who does display confidence, intelligence, substance and ability to lead, which unnerves his detractors and send them into fits and tantrums.
If it is so important, where was it before Sarah Palin...
entered the race? Come on. You are trying to somehow add validity to making a 17-year-old political fodder. Now, after the cat is out of the bag, the political spin is being put on it. Go ahead and put the focus there...no one is going to be fooled by this. People who engage it in are still going to look like what they are.
Change vs. experience - which is more important to you?
I was listening to a focus group on C-Span and this was a question given to the group:
Change vs. experience - which is more important to you?
Keeping this thread nice how would you answer?
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