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Those 94 dems were sitting on the sidelines

Posted By: with your 133 pubs waiting to see on 2008-09-29
In Reply to: What about the other 94 - reboot

which way the wind would blow.  Still with the blame game.




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Connecticutt considers bill that sidelines

bishops, dictates church financial oversight. If this is passed, it means the religious freedom we have had for centuries. There is supposed to be a protest at the state capital tomorrow.


What? You're not Catholic? So what. If this passes, it opens the door to more government interference in all religions.


http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=15311


this has been sitting here

all by its lonely for over an hour without a rebuttal or a distraction post.  Bullseye!


 


he isn't a sitting president
don't you think he's a getting a little ahead of himself? I find it arrogant to be talking 2nd term when you aren't in the 1st term yet.
As I was sitting on my couch

nursing my head cold with cough medicine and sucking on Halls......I just couldn't help wonder what has really happened to all of us?  I mean really.  Whatever happened to the citizens of the USA taking care of themselves.  Why are we so dependent upon our government?  We have put so much faith into a system that is full of politicians who will say anything to get elected into office.  We have gone from proud Americans who would rather work harder than ever receive a handout from anyone to people who continually cry out that they are victims and government should support them.  Whatever happened to self-reliance?  We are spoiled.  We got too comfortable.  People spent more money instead of saving it.  People lived way beyond their means, got mortgages they couldn't afford, and used credit cards unwisely. 


I'm sorry but I do not want government to take care of me. I don't want money earned by others to support me.  I don't want more government programs that increase government spending.  I don't want government telling me who I can doctor with and how soon I can get into see one. I don't want government taking more of my hard earned money and spending it. 


What I DO want is smaller government.  I want government spending to be controlled.  We all live on budgets and so should our government.  I don't want the government to have more control of my life.  If we expect government to get big enough to take care of all of our needs....it will also be a government big enough to take away our liberty.  That is not what I want.


We the people need to take control of our own lives.  Be responsible for our own actions.  If we use poor judgment, we alone should face the consequences without expecting everyone else to bail us out.  If you are capable of working, get off of your lazy rear end and work.  We need to start by teaching our kids how to save their money and not spend every dime they get.  We need to teach our kids that the foundation to a good life starts with a good education.  To always give 100% and by all means.....learn from your mistakes and keep trying. 


I will get off of my soap box now.  I'm sure you are all tired of hearing my drugged up on cough syrup rantings.  LOL!


The sitting president....(sm)

is doing just that...sitting on his a$$ and not doing anything.  Meanwhile the economy has been going down the tubes.  Yeah, it's much more important to kiss Bush's butt than to actually address the situation we are in and get people working again.  Have you ever heard of the word *priorities?*


And speaking of rude, how about that Blair house thing?  How petty is that?


Of course. US looks like sitting ducks with
We need somebody for SOS Right Away.
He was sitting in the office with them and they were briefing him...
but of course you have to have an open mind and yours is obviously snapped shut. If it doesn't come down from the DNC it doesn't exist. Got it.
And I'm not sitting playing the woe is me, pity
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I'm sitting here laughing - see message
I just came from the religious board and then popped to this board and saw this message. That is too funny. What's even funnier is I think I've been to the religious board just maybe a couple times (I'm not religious like a lot of others, but was curious what was being posted there). So thanks for the laugh.

I think now that the election is over there won't be as much a "ruckus" as there was leading up to it.

I'll still post now and then, but I had to cool it for awhile and try and get some work done.

Too funny your message though with me just coming from the religious board.

So it's g'night for now. I'll be back to "stir the pot" from time to time. :-)
What sitting president doesn't run for a second term? nm
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I find it amusing how a bunch of MTs sitting
around in their robes typing all day have suddenly become the political pundits of the world, interjecting their wisdom (often found on the internet) and view points with such ferociousness. Alert the media! These women are a force to be reckoned with!
I think the hypocrites are the morons sitting in Congress right now.
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Yep, sitting in Rev Wright's church sure proved that
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Bennett and Ralph Reed sitting in a tree.. B-E-T-T-I-N-G
Reed fought ban on betting
Anti-gambling bill was defeated


The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 10/02/05

Ralph Reed, who has condemned gambling as a cancer on the American body politic, quietly worked five years ago to kill a proposed ban on Internet wagering — on behalf of a company in the online gambling industry.


Reed, now a Republican candidate for lieutenant governor of Georgia, helped defeat the congressional proposal despite its strong support among many Republicans and conservative religious groups. Among them: the national Christian Coalition organization, which Reed had left three years earlier to become a political and corporate consultant.


A spokesman for Reed said the political consultant fought the ban as a subcontractor to Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff's law firm. But he said Reed did not know the specific client that had hired Abramoff: eLottery Inc., a Connecticut-based company that wants to help state lotteries sell tickets online — an activity the gambling measure would have prohibited.


Reed declined to be interviewed for this article. His aides said he opposed the legislation because by exempting some types of online betting from the ban, it would have allowed online gambling to flourish. Proponents counter that even a partial ban would have been better than no restrictions at all.


Anti-gambling activists say they never knew that Reed, whom they once considered an ally, helped sink the proposal in the House of Representatives. Now some of them, who criticized other work Reed performed on behalf of Indian tribes that own casinos, say his efforts on eLottery's behalf undermine his image as a champion of public morality, which he cultivated as a leader of the religious conservative movement in the 1980s and '90s.


It flies in the face of the kinds of things the Christian Coalition supports, said the Rev. Cynthia Abrams, a United Methodist Church official in Washington who coordinates a group of gambling opponents who favored the measure. They support family values. Stopping gambling is a family concern, particularly Internet gambling.


Reed's involvement in the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act of 2000, never previously reported, comes to light as authorities in Washington scrutinize the lobbying activities of Abramoff, a longtime friend who now is the target of several federal investigations.


The eLottery episode echoes Reed's work against a lottery, video poker and casinos in Alabama, Louisiana and Texas: As a subcontractor to two law firms that employed Abramoff, Reed's anti-gambling efforts were funded by gambling interests trying to protect their business.


After his other work with Abramoff was revealed, Reed asserted that he was fighting the expansion of gambling, regardless of who was paying the bills. And he said that, at least in some cases, his fees came from the nongaming income of Abramoff's tribal clients, a point that mollified his political supporters who oppose gambling. With the eLottery work, however, Reed has not tried to draw such a distinction.


By working against the Internet measure, Reed played a part in defeating legislation that sought to control a segment of the gambling industry that went on to experience prodigious growth.


Since 2001, the year after the proposed ban failed, annual revenue for online gambling companies has increased from about $3.1 billion worldwide to an estimated $11.9 billion this year, according to Christiansen Capital Advisers, a New York firm that analyzes market data for the gambling industry.


Through a spokesman, Abramoff declined to comment last week on his work with Reed for eLottery.


Federal records show eLottery spent $1.15 million to fight the anti-gambling measure during 2000. Of that, $720,000 went to Abramoff's law firm at the time, Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds of Washington. According to documents filed with the secretary of the U.S. Senate, Preston Gates represented no other client on the legislation.


Reed's job, according to his campaign manager, Jared Thomas, was to produce a small run of direct mail and other small media efforts to galvanize religious conservatives against the 2000 measure. Aides declined to provide reporters with examples of Reed's work. Nor would Thomas disclose Reed's fees.


Since his days with the Christian Coalition, Reed consistently has identified himself as a gambling opponent. Speaking at a National Press Club luncheon in Washington in 1996, for instance, Reed called gambling a cancer and a scourge that was responsible for orphaning children ... [and] turning wives into widows.


But when the online gambling legislation came before Congress in 2000, Reed took no public position on the measure, aides say.


In 2004, Reed told the National Journal, a publication that covers Washington politics, that his policy was to turn down work paid for by casinos. In that interview, he did not address working for other gambling interests.


Some anti-gambling activists reject Reed's contention that he didn't know his work against the measure benefited a company that could profit from online gambling.


It slips over being disingenuous, said the Rev. Tom Grey, executive director of the National Coalition Against Legalized Gambling, who worked for the gambling ban. Jack Abramoff was known as 'Casino Jack' at the time. If Jack's doling out tickets to this feeding trough, for Ralph to say he didn't know — I don't believe that.


A well-kept secret


When U.S. Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) first introduced the Internet gambling ban, in 1997, he named among its backers the executive director of the Christian Coalition: Ralph Reed.


In remarks published in the Congressional Record, Goodlatte said, This legislation is supported ... across the spectrum, from Ralph Reed to Ralph Nader.


But Reed's role in the ban's failure three years later was a well-kept secret, even from Goodlatte. That's in part because Reed's Duluth-based Century Strategies — a public affairs firm that avoids direct contact with members of Congress — is not subject to federal lobbying laws that would otherwise require the company to disclose its activities.


We were not aware that Reed was working against our bill, Kathryn Rexrode, a spokeswoman for Goodlatte, said last week.


Several large conservative religious organizations, with which Reed often had been aligned before leaving the Christian Coalition in 1997, joined together to support the legislation. Those groups included the Southern Baptist Convention, the United Methodist Church, Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council — and the Christian Coalition.


In addition, four prominent evangelical leaders signed a letter in May 2000 urging Congress to pass the legislation: James Dobson of Focus on the Family; Pat Robertson of the Christian Coalition; Jerry Falwell, formerly of the Moral Majority; and Charles Donovan of the Family Research Council.


Among the other supporters: the National Association of Attorneys General, Major League Baseball and the National Association of Convenience Stores, whose members are among the largest lottery ticket sellers.


Opponents, in addition to eLottery and other gambling interests, included the Clinton administration, which argued that existing federal laws were sufficient to combat the problem. In a policy statement, the administration predicted the measure would open a floodgate for other forms of illegal gambling.


To increase the measure's chances of passage, its sponsors had added provisions that would have allowed several kinds of online gambling — including horse and dog racing and jai alai — to remain legal.


Thomas, Reed's campaign manager, said in a statement last week that those exceptions amounted to an expansion of online gambling: Under the bill, a minor with access to a computer could have bet on horses and gambled at a casino online.


Thomas' statement claimed that the Southern Baptists and the Christian Coalition opposed the legislation for the same reason as Reed.


Actually, the Southern Baptist Convention lent its name to the group of religious organizations that backed the legislation. But as the measure progressed, the convention became uncomfortable with the exceptions and quietly spread the word that it was neutral, a spokesman said last week.


As for the Christian Coalition, it argued against the exceptions before the vote. But it issued an action alert two days after the ban's defeat, urging its members to call Congress and demand the legislation be reconsidered and passed.


In fact, the letter signed by the four evangelical leaders indicated a bargain had been reached with the Christian Coalition and other religious groups. In exchange for accepting minor exemptions for pari-mutuel wagering, the evangelicals got what they wanted most — a ban on lottery ticket sales over the Internet. Other anti-gambling activists say the exceptions disappointed them But they accepted the measure as an incremental approach to reining in online gambling.


We all recognized it wasn't perfect, Abrams, the Methodist official, said last week. We decided we weren't going to let the best be the enemy of the good.


Any little thing, she said in an earlier interview, would have been a victory.


Plans to expand


Founded in 1993, eLottery has provided online services to state lotteries in Idaho, Indiana and Maryland and to the national lottery in Jamaica, according to its Web site. It had plans to expand its business by facilitating online ticket sales, effectively turning every home computer with an Internet connection into a lottery terminal.


The president of eLottery's parent company, Edwin McGuinn, did not respond to recent requests for an interview. Earlier this year, he told The Washington Post that by banning online lottery ticket sales, the 2000 legislation would have put eLottery out of business. We wouldn't have been able to operate, the Post quoted McGuinn as saying.


Even with Abramoff and other lobbyists arguing against the measure, and Reed generating grass-roots opposition to it, a solid majority of House members voted for the measure in July 2000.


But that wasn't enough. House rules required a two-thirds majority for expedited passage, so the legislation died.


In addition to hiring Abramoff's firm to lobby for the measure's defeat, eLottery paid $25,000 toward a golfing trip to Scotland that Abramoff arranged for Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) — then the House majority whip, later the majority leader — several weeks before the gambling measure came up for a vote, according to the Post. Another $25,000 for the trip came from the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, an Abramoff client with casino interests, the Post reported. The trip, which is under review by the House Ethics Committee, was not related to DeLay's indictment on a conspiracy charge last week.


The campaign against the Internet gambling ban was one of several successful enterprises in which Abramoff and Reed worked together.


The Choctaws paid for Reed's work in 1999 and 2000 to defeat a lottery and video poker legislation in Alabama. In 2001 and 2002, another Abramoff client that operates a casino, the Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana, put up the money for Reed's efforts in Louisiana and Texas to eliminate competition from other tribes. Reed was paid about $4 million for that work.


Abramoff, once one of Washington's most influential lobbyists, now is under federal indictment in a Florida fraud case and is facing investigations by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee and the Justice Department into whether he defrauded Indian tribes he represented, including those that paid Reed's fees. Reed has not been accused of wrongdoing.


Reed and Abramoff have been friends since the early 1980s. That's when Abramoff, as chairman of the national College Republicans organization, hired Reed to be his executive director. Later, Reed introduced Abramoff to the woman he married.


In an interview last month about his consulting business, Reed declined to elaborate on his personal and professional relationships with Abramoff. At one point, Reed was asked if Abramoff had hired him to work for clients other than Indian tribes.


Reed's answer: Not that I can recall.












 
 









 
Find this article at:
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/1005/02reed.html
 


I have no doubt at all that Republicans would have defended the sitting President.
You are way out of touch with the Democrats, but I guess that's because you are a leftist.  That does not surprise me.
Hey, that's the American dream - I'm all for sitting on my butt and making $$$
Hurrah!!
If customary deference to a sitting president by president elect
for the rest of us who understand such concepts as respect and traditional protocol, it would qualify as a darned good reason.
Dems took over?

This really confuses me.  It's my understanding that the Dems STILL haven't taken over.  They need 60 in the Senate in order to prevent a fillibuster, and as I write this, the Republicans (still in control) are threatening to fillibuster the proposed auto maker bailout/loan legislation.  Since the Democrats DO NOT have the majority they need, the Republicans may very well do that.


So please explain to me how the Democrats are in control because I keep seeing this and truly don't understand how that is.


Not trying to start an argument or stir anything up.  I truly don't "get it."


I'm not sure that the dems really

like Bill being interviewed a lot.  LOL!  He is rather obvious that he is only saying Obama because he is following his political party and that he truly doesn't want Obama as president. 


Oh well....for whatever reason Bill said what he did.....it is still nice to hear someone admiring both candidates, saying they are both ready to be president, and not cutting down one party or the other. It was a nice change for once.


I have never seen anything like this. Dems really are
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It's been the Dems all along...
Congress is DEMOCRATS you know.  The president...Bush now...and O in the future...does not have absolute power! Gah, how hard is that to understand???  But now with a Dem pres and a Dem government...we are all screwed!
That's the dems M.O.
Destroy anyone that gets in their way. I have not found any of the politicans to show they care about the people that make a difference in this country. If anyone steps in, asks questions or tries to get to the truth of the matter their lives are destroyed.
11 dems were (NM)
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11 dems were (NM)
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But the Dems would have you believe..........sm
from the cheering teams in Indiana to the crowds in Ft. Meyerss (some of whom did not get in, despite being very close to the front of the line) that the whole nation is in favor of this, that we are all ready to sink another another trillion in debt.
I wonder how many of the dems have
read it? Oh, it doesn't matter, they are going to vote for it anyway, the king has spoken!
Dems
If it this thing doesn't work (which it won't) the dems better start grabbing theirs...
Where are all the sensible Dems?

They fight and carry on just as much as the pubs. They are like children, too. Don't forget, they put a lot of pork in these bills and then cry when the pubs vote against it.


No matter what you say, neither party is working for the people. It's time to vote them all out.


And you don't think the dems would do the same?
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That's what I like about some Dems...
soooo classy. And you have the nerve to defame rednecks...LOL. ;)
No - because the Dems know very well what
The intelligence committees of Congress (both House and Senate) have full access to all CIA documents. Members of both of those committees know full well that Pelosi stepped in a cow patty when she called the CIA liars, so this outcome was completely predictable.

What makes this whole thing all the more deplorable is that these are the very same people who were self-righteously calling for similar probes regarding the previous administration just a few weeks ago.

Moral: Be careful what you wish for!

We gotta throw these folks out of office starting in 2010 and continuing until EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM IS GONE.
I know this is somewhat irrelavant since the Dems are going to win
in November. I am an Obama supporter but also a political junkie, so for me it's interesting to try to figure out who McCain is going to pick for VP, even if it doesn't matter in the end.

McCain was on SLN cracking jokes about how old he was. I'll give him points for the self-deprecating humor.
Yep, the dems in congress won't do anything
until they have a dem as president. They know if they do something positive, such as helping us with our oil/energy problem, Bush will get the credit and they won't stand for that.

That is the facts people and it is so unbelievably ridiculous that these people who we vote in and pay 6-figure salaries to won't do their job. It's a huge joke and it scares the crap out of me.
Perfect example of why Dems will win and be in the
Republicans thrive on scare tactics - or at least they THINK they're scare tactics. 
A lot of dems voted for the war too....
including Kerry and Hillary and untold others...including your VP candidate, Biden. Can't you tell the truth? What about the truth is so scary to you? You can go on line and see the roll call vote. Many, Many D's there. No war can ever be waged without a 2/3 vote of Congress. War is not a "conservative" thing. What a ridiculous lie. Do you ever go research anything or are you afraid lightning will strike you if you stray from Dem talking points??
I cannot and will not lump all Dems together...
however, several of the group who post here post like this. I don't understand it, because it doesn't follow what I thought democrats were all about. I am not a Republican by the way...am an Independent. I don't owe any party my vote...but I have Democrats in my family and they do not speak like this...

But, I could not say most Dems treat people this way. Just some of these do. :)
Since when did Dems ever let facts
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No, you dems just ain't funny.
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Yes....this is going to be the Dems' Enron. nm
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Believe it or not, dems want to cut the pork too! nm
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in-laws are all dems - what to do? nm
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But the media, the dems, and

all these Obama supporters just sweep that under a rug.  They continue to point fingers and blame others and yet they will take no responsibility at all for what they did.  They will not give McCain credit for his warning.  They will not admit that they ignored that warning.  I'm tired of the media having their nose up Obama's ars.  They call McCain a coward for wanting to postpone the debate when it was McCain who was pushing for the debate before until this and now he wants to be in Washington to help find a solution.  He wants to put the country first instead of his own personal campaign.  To me...this says a lot about McCain and yet the dems and the media can do nothing but downgrade.  How in the world are we to have a fair election when the media is so obviously one-sided?


At this point, I really don't know that any candidate can get us out of this mess.  I guess I've just lost hope all around.  As for all those so-called plans Barry Obama promised.....he can't do a one of them....not that they would have worked in the first place but now it is impossible for him to even try.  So now what, Barry?  What else are you going to promise you will do that you can't deliver on?


SSDD for the Dems

Oh, I know all about her.  First it was sad to me that voters don't do their homewordk and just believe what literally any politician tells them just because they're R or D.  Savage really educates his audience on the San Franfricko "values" and how horribly corrupt they are out there.  Take the Bologna case, where the illegal aliens/gang members who killed this poor woman's husband and 2 sons all in one sweep.  There's just one example of the sanctuary city thing for ya. 


The best way to educate people is to play their own words back for all to hear.  That way I make my point and am not accused of being a right-wing hack.


By the same token, I've been literally wailing over Olympia Snow (snot job), Susan Collins, etc...the queen RINOS.  They don't belong in the GOP and they need a royal flush.  Hagel finally retired, fortunately.


The drivebys are so complicit in this crap, too.  If we put out such a horrible product (like a report with only a small portion of the situation, or twisted it completely around), we'd be fired.  These people work for us and only answer to their NE lib journalism pals.  There are so many facets to this zirconia it's criminal.


Sometimes I think the republicans are dems in slo-mo....sm
and almost as bad. They can't talk, can't stand up for themselves. Let themselves be run over.

I'm disgusted with everybody on capitol hill.

None of them understand the economy anyway. None of them.



The dems try to make her look

stupid, when in fact she is very savvy — as demonstrated by her negotiations with the oil companies, pushing through a gas pipeline, etc. She is a lady of many accomplishments, unlike the Dem’s PRESIDENTIAL candidate, the big O ( as in ZERO).


Governor Sarah Palin made history on Dec. 4, 2006, when she took office. As the 11th governor of Alaska, she is the first woman to hold the office.


Since taking office, her top priorities have been resource development, education and workforce development, public health and safety, and transportation and infrastructure development.


Under her leadership, Alaska invested $5 billion in state savings, overhauled education funding, and implemented the Senior Benefits Program that provides support for low-income older Alaskans. She created Alaska’s Petroleum Systems Integrity Office to provide oversight and maintenance of oil and gas equipment, facilities and infrastructure, and the Climate Change Subcabinet to prepare a climate change strategy for Alaska.


During her first legislative session, Governor Palin’s administration passed two major pieces of legislation - an overhaul of the state’s ethics laws and a competitive process to construct a gas pipeline.


Governor Palin is chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, a multi-state government agency that promotes the conservation and efficient recovery of domestic oil and natural gas resources while protecting health, safety and the environment. She was recently named chair of the National Governors Association (NGA) Natural Resources Committee, which is charged with pursuing legislation to ensure state needs are considered as federal policy is formulated in the areas of agriculture, energy, environmental protection and natural resource management. Prior to being named to this position, she served as co-chair of this committee.


Prior to her election as governor, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council and two terms as the mayor/manager of Wasilla. During her tenure, she reduced property tax levels while increasing services and made Wasilla a business friendly environment, drawing in new industry.


She has served as chair of the Alaska Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska’s most valuable non-renewable resources: oil and gas. She was elected by her peers to serve as president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors. In this role, she worked with local, state and federal officials to promote solutions to the needs of Alaska’s communities.


The bottom line is that she is running for VP.  Obama is running for president and his own running mate said he didn't have enough experience. 


And the O supporters, dems,

and left-wing media don't just repeat what they see and hear?  LOL!  Oh please.  Half of the Obamanation supporters spout exactly what Obama says and only seeing the promise of change.....which I might add....WON'T HAPPEN.  Obama can't do anything he promises and if he does.....our country will be totally FUBARed (f*cked up beyond all recognition).


Oh, so this is why the dems are for gay marriages.
ewwww
Not everybody hates him. Just dems who don't
want the real truth. 
Dems would not say anything nice about her even if
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yeah, it's okay for dems to be mean
but if pubs are, then they will have blood on their hands.
Oh come on. Dems are smart enough to see through...
those things, AREN'T they? lol.