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gourdpainter objective,fair, straightforward and

Posted By: Honest. She is often a voice of reason. sm on 2008-10-11
In Reply to: you are at least as incitful as anyone else here - crazy

There is absolutely nothing offensive about what she said or how she said it. She is right. I don't know her age, but I suspect she is (like I am) old enough to recall the devastating losses via political assassinations of our past civil leaders.
1. Medgar Evers, NAACP field secretary, June 12, 1963 by KKK member.
2. JFK November 22, 1963.
3. Malcolm X, February 21, 1965.
4. MLK April 4, 1968.
5. RFK June 5, 1968.
6. Fred Hampton, December 1969.

Regardless of whether or not you agree with any of their political views, the fact remains that these Americans gave their lives fighting for the beliefs they held most dear and in their own ways, were all striving to make our country...your country...a better place.

Four out of six were black leaders, one a president, the other a presidential candidate. In hindsight, it is plain to see that there were common threads shared by each and all in terms of their circumstances and their times. That common tie was hate speech and bigotry. We would like to tell ourselves, "that was then and this is now," but for those of us who lived through it, I can tell you it is never really very far behind us.

The scenes I see at these rallies and the words I read on this forum are chilling reminders that we must never forget those days, that time and the losses we suffered. To some of you who think you are being smart or cute or somehow take pride and pleasure in your thoughtless, juvenile, petty one-ups-manship, I tell you now, along with the gourdpainter, you do not realize what it is you are doing. This is not about a candidate, a platform, a party or an election. This is about the preservation of human dignity and human life. She is absolutely right to say that should anything happen to Obama of this nature, his blood will be on your hands and all the denial in the universe will not change that fact.


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Not fair, gourdpainter. The Democrats added a lot of...
pork on their own, and dedicating a percentage of whatever payback might come out of this directly to ACORN would have been in it too, had the Republicans not held their ground that it be removed. This plan came from Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke, not "the Republicans." Paulson is a RINO and I have no clue what Bernanke's political affiliation is. If the ranking Democrats had held THEIR ground and all their folks with them, it would not have passed either, THEY have the majority. The Democrats pushed this harder than the Republicans...they didn't even involve the house Republicans until the last minute. So you can't lay this at the feet of "the Republicans."
Your comments were straightforward and clear.
I hope anyone reading this will go back and look at the post I quoted from, as well as all your other posts and form their own impressions. 
The best arguments are straightforward and simple. Give that boy a cookie! nm
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They have to stay objective. It's their job.
One of our family members is a well-known political analyst on t.v. At family functions, we all hear the full-on opinions. Believe me, reporters are human, and they certainly do have their opinions! But their job isn't to discuss their own point of view. It is amazing, though, isn't it? I don't think I could control myself if I had to interview some of these people!
Objective?? ROFL.....
that being said....wow. I invite everyone to read this speech and replace Republican, Redneck, religious right-winger with Jew. Hitler could have made this speech. What nasty, vitrolic hate speech. This is what the democratic party has become.

Whew.

From an objective observer.
nothing further to add to te nothingness of this post
Fair enough....notice especially the word FAIR. nm
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Being an objective observer, the repugnants appear to be the most evil.
Defend the republican party all you want with your self-righteousness, but in the end the republican party will always be a party that represents big business and the rich.

You religious right wingers, rednecks who were undereducated and/or raised by a long line of redneckers will never get it so I won't even address you as your perception of reality is hopelessly distorted.

However, I will say that, anyone who makes under 250 grand a year and who votes for the republican tick is a fool.

This next presidential term will all be about taxes now that Georgie has sold out the country to foreign lands to pay for his war and cover his tax cuts to the wealthy, and someone's taxes are going to be raised and if you vote republican and earn less than 250 grand, it will be YOURS.

Funding under republicans will also be cut to social services and that means more crime, and if your town is like mine, police and fire departments are laying off due to budget cuts - hey, what an oxymoron, cutting police forces while fighting terrorism.

Republicans are not for the people whatever you say. They pander to the religious right and those high school drop out rednecks for the votes. Abortion is and always will happen as it has since the beginning of time and I don't think you will ever stop it from happening. You can try to romanticize reproduction all you want but in this world, as we watch babies starving, dying from curable disease and, even raped, it just doesn't hold water.

Republicans are as evil as greed is evil.

Your arguments are weak as always.
Good Source for (more) objective news
http://www.democracynow.org/
who woulda guessed you wouldn't be objective...nm
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No objective person can state with 100% certainty what happened 9-11-2001.
Some believe what they were told via news, some believe the new presentation of facts, theories, evidence, and logic. I believe that al-Quaeda terrorist attacked the US on 9-11. I take to the conspiracy theories with a grain of salt, until different is proven to be true. Out of all of the theories and logic presented, the one unanswered question is why was the bin Laden family allowed to flee America the day after the attacks??? It's at least one piece of the puzzle that doesn't fit and to me the American public has not gotten a satisfactory answer. Heck, most don't even know or care.

On a lighter note, have you seen The Seige starring Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis? Released in 1998 and eerily similar to post 9-11.
fair and balanced . . . fair and

balanced . . . we're looking out for YOU . . . we're looking out for the FOLKs . . . fair and balanced . . .


 


whats fair is fair
Truth is, what is good for one is good for the other.  If Palin puts herself out there, she is a target.  But then so is Obama.  The problem is that when you say anything about O people go crazy.  When someone says something about Palin, its just true. 
gourdpainter...
We just finished a study of Revelation at our church. In the part you were talking about, "one man rising to lead them" it also says he will be diverse from the rest. He will be well liked, and many people will come to believe he is a "messiah".

Read this site just for face value, and just tell me if it doesn't make you cringe, just a bit.

http://www.theprophecies.com/antichrist.html

I pray that we do get our hiney's raptured right out of here before everything really goes down.
Oh please, gourdpainter.
Are you insinuating that Christianity is the only religion that believes in basic human values? Do you really think that anyone who is not a Christian automatically condones raping, killing, stealing, lying, or anything like it? We all have rights in this country, even minorities!
So okay, put it under gourdpainter
I'll stand by what I say.  LOL
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Gourdpainter!
This man and the running mate he has chosen (which I bet now he is regretting) scare me to death.  I have never in my life witnessed so much lying, hypocrisy and lack of integrity that these two people have have shown.  Anyone watching his face as he speaks would have to see the glaringly clear dishonesty of this man!
Gourdpainter, why do you believe that?
I am just wondering why you feel so sure that McCain is going to win...
I don't know, gourdpainter.............sm
why Wright is not being talked about in the political circles. My initial thought is the difference between him and Ayers or the others is that he calls himself a preacher/reverend. While I definitely agree with you as far as Wright's political statements from the pulpit, maybe it is that McCain and Palin have not jumped on him because they were made from a pulpit and they view that as "protected" in some way??? In other words, they as politicians are not supposed to bring God into politics, so maybe this is an off limits kind of subject.

I notice you keep stating that you don't want Palin as president. GP, she is not running for president; McCain is. And while the chance exists that he could die in office (not necessarily of evil intentions but rather due to age) and Palin could step into the presidency, I would rather have her there than Obama/Biden any day. I can assure you that Obama will be the final ruination of this country if he is elected.

I'm sorry you can't sleep at night. Maybe you need to rethink your vote and vote for McCain. I've noticed others on this board who have said they can sleep at night now knowing that they are voting for McCain. ;o)
Gourdpainter
Sorry I didn't answer! It was farrier day at my moms so I've been gone all afternoon.

I respect your opinion, and I understand where you are coming from. Honestly at this point all we can do is pray. There is just to much stuff I've seen of O that rubs me the wrong way. I just believe voting for Mccain is the lesser of two evils. Yes, it may be the same. But I'd rather endure 4 more years of the same and pray during those four years for a godly candidate to come about than to risk voting for someone who we really do not know about. That's just a big issue I have. We really still do not know who Obama is. We know who he is portrayed as, but there has not been enough time for us to know who he truly is and what he truly believes in.

This is my other big worry...if, God forbid, Obama gets assassinated, and Biden dies or whatever (his health isn't much better than Mccain's I'm pretty sure) then we have Pelosi. THAT is frightening. I would take Palin over Pelosi any day. And Biden could possibly misspeak his way right into a nuclear war. Of course I know your view on Palin so we won't go there... :)

Your right, Mccain is not a godly candidate. If the reason he left his wife is true, it's despicable. But you know what, he's apologized. And I'm sure he has asked forgiveness. We all do things we are not proud of. Obama lies until he is backed into a corner (such as Rev Wright) and then when he finally can't back up anymore he then says "oh I condemn what he said." Not good enough to me. I don't care what the man says, he did not sit in that church for almost 500 Sundays and never once hear Wright preach hate. Straight up, he lied. He has been saturated with this hate. Yes, I believe he will bring change. While we don't know if he is a terrorist, I firmly believe he is anti-American. I believe he wants to bring about a "New America". While we have things wrong with this country, we are still a great country when you get down to the nitty gritty and I don't think every facet of American life needs to be changed. I think that is what he believes. He has his head in the clouds. Just look at how he is now saying "ohh don't get too excited". Why did he promise all that at the beginning? To get the votes. To get people to decide on him, because you know the majority of people aren't going to change their minds now.

He's promising you more days off from school and more vending machines in the halls knowing he can't give them to you. He has people following him now like lemmings on a cliff.

Also, I feel like there are a lot of big red flags coming up from the Bible. I feel like we are going to be face to face with Jesus and he's going to say "I TRIED TO WARN YOU!"

I understand what you mean though, about God not telling you. Sometimes I wish he would just make me a neon sign :). Just make sure you sit still and listen, because if you're like me sometimes he may be shouting at you and you just can't hear him.

I encourage you to definitely take some time to yourself and just sit and talk with Him, and see what he puts on your heart.

I understand the appeal of Obama, I really do. As a 22-year-old college student, I feel like one of a few of my age group that isn't voting for him. I really liked him at first, but the more and more I read about his association with Wright, his view of the "typical white woman", his view on abortion, etc., I just feel like he is not the man who is going to lead our country back to God, and ultimately, that is what we need. Like I said, Mccain probably won't either, but I fear with Obama there may not be a chance to elect another Christian president. I fear that he will go as far as to quiet our preachers and to limit what we can say as Christians. If he doesn't personally, the democratic congress will, and I don't believe he will say no to them. That's one thing I like about Mccain, you know he will say no if need be. I just think Obama owes to many people. He didn't make it up the ladder this quick without a lot of help.

Well, it's back to work for me. Take it easy!



I think gourdpainter has.
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i, gourdpainter...
I asked this question already a while back and nobody answered it.
So I guess, it must have something do to with the 'uterus', perhaps?
LOL !
Another invention of the Republicans to proof that they are right?
Thank you, gourdpainter.
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Oh, gourdpainter....sm
I know for a fact, that you yourself usually possess what my grandpa used to call, "good ol' fashioned horse sense."


It just amazes me that you don't recognize it in someone else.


Your mind is already made up, so I don't think I can explain it to you.
Gourdpainter...........sm

And all the other nay-sayers. 

About the post below concerning the audio interview with Obama on the energy issue, did you even listen to the audio that was presented? 

Not only did I listen to it, I went to the source web site and listened.  Here is the link if you want to check it out further.  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=32228

The entire interview was about 48 minutes long.  It was Obama answering questions from several journalists on a number of issues.  He was first questioned about energy at about 25:15 in the tape.  The issue that was brought up in the post below that you called 'Horsefeathers' was discussed at about 40:30.  I encourage you go listen for yourself and hear the words from the horse's mouth. 

Other issues discussed along with the time markers for each discussion were: 

Health care 10:38
Securities Industry  20:00
Iraq  29:18
Environment  39:55
Racial issues  42:24  (And this was a listener/reader question)
Voting system in the caucuses (sp):  46:09

Obama is, without doubt, a very intelligent man and eloquent speaker, but I fear he may be far too intelligent, possibly to the point that he cannot be reigned in if necessary, and that in combination with a Democratic House, Senate and Judiciary branch makes him a very dangerous man. 


Wow Gourdpainter
you really opened the floodgates - LOL!
Well, gourdpainter, there is your
it says on this website!!! Believe me, I live further south than Arkansas and I wonder what they had to pay these idiots to do this. No one near where I live averages this stoopid! Big Bad had a lot of time on her hands to come up with this one!
hey gourdpainter -- was this a typo or not?

The ex-wife, scorned "pubically" -- was that what you really meant or did you mean publicly?  If so, it's the best typo I've seen all day.  If not, I'm still laughing!



Thanks -- I needed one today!


Sam/Gourdpainter debate s/m

Somewhere down below I posted things I  had AGAINST Obama.  Sam replied.  Now I can't find the thread........typical for this old-timer.


Sam, I noticed a lot of "McCain says" and "McCain calls for" in your reply.  I say both candidates "say" and "call for."  Let's reason here together.  After his 25 years in the Congress do you think McCain doesn't have cronies in Congress and on Wall Street?  Do you think he isn't indebted to monied people in Arizona?  Likewise, Obama, do you think he doesn't have cronies in Congress and Wall Street AND in Chicago?   Well...news flash.  Sure he does.  Do you REALLY think either candidate, regardless of what they "call for" in pre-election propaganda are really going to do anything to benefit the common working class Americans?  I certainly do not.


I just finished reading the Wall Street report this morning and you know what I think?  I think everyone had better get out their Bible and have a read of Revelations whether they want to honor it as God's Word or just history.  It's all there as well as the end result.  Yep, I think we had all better turn to God.  He said if we would turn to Him he would deliver us and I believe HE is our only hope.  Otherwise, what I see is China forclosing on our huge national debt and then skip the socialism, we'll go directly to communism and we won't pass go and we CERTAINLY won't collect $200. Another good read might be the fall of the Roman Empire.


I can't believe I'm still wasting my time railing about the state of this countries ills.  No one will see that it is not DEMOCRATS or REPUBLICANS that are at the root of the problems, it's the AMERICAN people who can't get past party affiliation.  No change will come until the American PEOPLE make it come.


gourdpainter, my question is, why is it
liberal, every person who openly denounces God and all moralities are pro Obama? I am not saying McCain is perfect, and I am sure there are Christians voting for Obama. I just cannot understand why so many atheist, nonbelievers, outspoken celebrities want Obama to be elected so desperately.
In all fairness, gourdpainter,

I don't really think Obama is going to come right out and admit that he is friends with Ayers - that would spell disaster for his campaign and plans.  I have learned I cannot trust what is fed to me, so I watch all of the stations, including Fox, and I read through tons of information on the internet and make up my own mind instead of letting the media make it up for me. 


I will tell you, when this campaign first started, I was so excited to hear what he had to say about the issues and to think he has young kids, etc., etc., but the more I have researched (just facts with proof), I have decided that I cannot vote for this man.  He is not who I believe will take America forward.  His policies most definitely I don't agree with but I cannot accept a man whose character is questionable. 


gourdpainter? You dont think you are just as
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Gourdpainter is right about the nonunion

employees getting better benefits when the union employees do.  My husband works for the state and although he is not union eligible (middle management), his work class follows the same policy as the union employees.  If the union employees get a raise or a benefit change, he gets the same. 


My husband, however, is not protected by the union should any situations arise.  I call him a "tagalong".


This post should be under gourdpainter.
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sorry 'bout that GoUrdpainter!!! nm
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Gourdpainter, what a copout!! lol
You have lectured people to go out and research for themselves when they asked you for links, and because not enough people responded on the board about Wright you think it is unfounded?? Good grief!! Google Jeremiah Wright and then listen to the TON of video on the man. Then watch Obama say "I never heard him say it" and then turn right around and say "well yes I heard controversial things." And when you are done with that, do some studying up on black liberation theology, which the church that he attended for 20 years is based on. The same church that honored Louis Farrakhan...you know...Farrakhan of Nation of Islam? The one who calls Obama the messiah? That should keep you busy for a LONG time. If you are really interested in the truth, do the work yourself, like you invite others to do. Its not like there is not TONS of information out there.

Not like you to cop out like that... :-)
Gourdpainter, on this one I'm totally with you.
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You're right, gourdpainter............sm
Nor has there been an Asian American president or Mexican American president. I stopped voting by party or any other criteria than a candidate's platform, policies and what I perceived his character to be a long time ago. If a black candidate were running that had the qualifications I personally look for in a president (or any other elected office, for that matter) I would vote for him in a heartbeat. Obama just is not that person, but there may be one in the future as he has broken the ground for a black man to run.
Lobster on the way, gourdpainter!
:)
gourdpainter -- I just don't understand
you say you want reasons why you should vote for McCain instead of Obama.  Yet, when anyone gives you that, as pointedly as above, you deny it.  If you want to vote for Obama, that's your choice and by all means you should, but don't ask for something only to turn away from it when it's presented to you.  Everything that has been presented to you as "verifiable" evidence of the man's connections or political goals, you write off as "propaganda".  What more do you want, the man himself to tell you that he is connected to terrorists, that he wants to turn America into a socialist country, that he is Muslim?  If that's what you're looking for, you won't find it until it's too late. 
To Gourdpainter: I want to personally s/m

thank you for your many insightful posts on this board during this whole election process.  Your posts along with sam's posts have very accurately paralleled the glaring differences between these two candidates, yours being ones of depth of knowledge, integrity, tolerance and a true desire for change for the better, whereas, the other one's posts have been largely based on garbage gleaned from questionable websites, blogs and other biased sources that have accomplished nothing other than to incite hatred and intolerance in support of a candidate who has based his whole campaign on filthy lies and evil smear tactics in pathetic attempts to discredit his opponent who has risen above this display of low-down politics.


So, my hat's off to you, Gourdpainter, for setting an exemplary example for all of us to aspire to!!  


Careful gourdpainter -- you may soon

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I think I'm a gourdpainter sheeple

Gourdpainter, can I be your best friend?

Just kidding...  But I like the way you post.  I've found you far more interesting than any others on this board that use monikers.  I don't use a moniker because I don't feel the need to, but I also agree to please let this man have some dignity while he mourns his grandmother. 


No President will be able to make any changes overnight.  The President is only as smart as the people around him.


Obama has stated again and again that it will not be easy but that we all must come together.  I have not heard that once from the RNC, but only comments to bash a man because he may have a few beliefs that are different.  He has a beautiful family (without all of the skeletons) and he does not plan for Americans to lose jobs but rather to make more jobs here and give tax credits to companies who hire people right here in the USA.  He does have 2 daughters that will need an education and to prosper on American soil; does anyone not see that or is it just me?


I know that Gourdpainter will not agree,
but part of the problem is the ridiculously high wages that American manufacturer employees get in contrast to the foreign manufacturers with plants her in the US, which is because of the unions. With higher wages comes higher overhead and higher prices. They cannot sell cars at competitive prices because their employees make too much money. It is unfortunate, but I think that a lower paying job is better than no job at all.
gourdpainter? Did you chase HER away, too?

Sorry, gourdpainter....the Democrats are primarily....
responsible for the present situation. It is all there in black and white. Republicans do share some of the blame for not supporting McCain when he told them what was going to happen...I will give you that. But the CEOs, the ones who robbed Fannie blind...Democrats. Shielded by Democrats in Congress. Now I don't say they knew this was going to happen...but I believe they knew it could...and enriched themselves anyway. I do realize that if they had been Republicans they probably would have done the same thing...but the fact is, they weren't.

And I am not a member of either of the parties. I believe they have both strayed way away from the originals. And John McCain is the only one talking about cleaning up that mess in Washington. And I believe he WILL try. We gotta start somewhere.
I agree, gourdpainter, to a point....
but one thing I DO know...Obama and a majority democrat congress mean socialism. There are no two ways about it. And I DON'T want socialism for America. So I would not vote for Obama, and if I vote for a third party and NOT McCain, that is a vote for Obama. I will NOT be a party to putting that man in the White House. No way, no how.

I am a registered Independent. I have not been a party faithful for several years. But I am concerned enough about Obama and his agenda that I am voting a straight Republican ticket for the FIRST time in my life. THAT is how much I DO NOT want him and his agenda for this country.

I agree with McCain on some things "he says." If he does them, fine. If he doesn't, we still don't get socialism. If McCain just gets elected and the status quo remains, we don't get socialism.

I don't want socialism. I don't know how much more clear I need to be about it.
Thanks gourdpainter...the cut and paste worked. nm
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Sounds like gourdpainter has a crush on herself.
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good morning, gourdpainter
another day, another pub.