But Obama lovers don't want to talk about the
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Oh Obama lovers....it just keeps getting
This just coming out.........former Obama staffer (while working with Obama) now coming out that he sat in a meeting with an Islamic organization in Virginia back in September, in which Mr. Asbahi was present, Obama's liason. Now that man alone has a very close relationship with Islamic organizations and it just keeps getting deeper. This Islamic organization has ties with terrorists organizations to include CAIR who was also listed as a coconspirator in terror related groups.
It just keeps getting more interesting. For those that doesn't know who Asbahi is, you need to keep your eyes wide open. Obama is knee deep involved with Muslim and Islamic organizations, even though he has made a point of using his liasons, who are mostly Muslim, to do so now that he is running for President.
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3557
Wonder what these Obama lovers will do once he
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Obama lovers do not care
They want Obama in office even if he has to buy his way in there and buy votes to boot. They know about the voter fraud going on but do not want to hear about it. They know their candidate is paying a corrupt racist organization that has already had indicted members to buy his votes into office.
For all those Obama/Biden lovers.....this bears
Biden's years up there mean nothing to me. The longer you stay, the more jaded and entrenched you become in the very crap we are trying to get outselves out of now, with the exception of a few who have never changed their stance. Years of service do not necessariy equate to good deeds....ya gotta do better than that. The man is so wishy washy on his votes, he'll fly whatever way the wind blows him, which is why he is now running with Obama. Anyhooooo....
He stood shoulder to shoulder with Obama while running for presidential candidacy and said when asked what he thought about Obama....
"I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training" AND......
"If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake..."
Biden has denounced Obama's poor foreign policy "judgement" over and over and over and in his own words said that "Americans are quickly realizing -- that Barack Obama is not ready to be President."
He said Obama was not ready to serve as President. Better yet, let me just list the reasons why Biden is a patsy....
About Obama he said, "Having Talking Points On Foreign Policy Doesn't Get You There."
On Obama's voting against funding for US Troops overseas he said,
"If you tell me I've got to take away this protection for these kids in order to win the election, some things aren't worth it. Some things are worth losing over. That would be worth losing over. Hundreds of lives are being saved and will be saved by us sending these vehicles over which we are funding with this supplemental legislation. And I want to ask any of my other colleagues, would they, in fact, vote to cut off the money for those troops to protect them? That's the right question. This isn't cutting off the war. This is cutting off support that will save the lives of thousands of American troops."
On Obama's leadership in Iraq he said.....
"I Don't Recall Hearing A Word From Barack About A Plan Or A Tactic."
Biden on whether he would meet unconditionally with leaders of rogue states as Obama said he would.....
"Absolutely Positively No." Biden: "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president? Absolutely positively no."
Oh, AND IT GETS EVEN BETTER......There's his undying love for John McCain, "God love 'em".
Biden has called McCain a personal hero and proclaimed that he would run on a McCain ticket. He has praised McCain’s stances on climate change and troop levels in Iraq. He acknowledged that McCain’s approach to foreign policy differs from President Bush’s — everything that flies in the face of lines of attack that Obama has been pushing against McCain. Remember he said he would be "honored to run against him or with him".(meaning McCain).
Now, here he stands alongside the very guy he can't stand. And you think this is an upstanding God fearing lover of his country? This man is no different than Obama; he'll do whatever is necessary to get his foot in the door for an upcoming Presidency, even if that means acceping a VP position from a guy he can't stand, doesn't agree on anything with, and likes his opposition better. Yea, what a deal we got there!!!!!
Your turn....
Don't ya love the silence of the Obama lovers?
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Get off your Obama lovers wagon for two seconds
This has absolutely nothing to do with what party you belong to; it has EVERYTHING to do with your government targeting individuals as "terrorists" simply because they are uprising against their government and saying ENOUGH! This includes democrats as well!
When you see a file put out by your government specifically stating "conservative extremism", what part of that did you overlook? This has only come about since the tea party demonstrations have come about and with the government realizing millions of people are really and truly FED UP with their crap and taxing us into complete submission to the government. I couldn't care less what others think on here and there is no false assumptions made by me.
The writing is in black and white for those that care to read it. There is no assumption by what "conservative extremism" means and for those that don't live in LA la land, they too know exactly what this is.... an absolute violation of American civil rights. This opens the doors for government to turn lose police, national guard, and whatever else THEY deem necessary to shut up those that do not agree with them.
What about protesting do you have a problem with?
This hate Obama jag you're on tells a lot about you. You don't realize this has to do with your government, regardless who is at the helm, which in this case happens to be Obama. If it were Bush, I would be raising cane as well. Government is government, only this time we have someone on a power trip really going full force on running down our rights....
Get off your Obama lovers wagon for two seconds
This has absolutely nothing to do with what party you belong to; it has EVERYTHING to do with your government targeting individuals as "terrorists" simply because they are uprising against their government and saying ENOUGH! This includes democrats as well!
When you see a file put out by your government specifically stating "conservative extremism", what part of that did you overlook? This has only come about since the tea party demonstrations have come about and with the government realizing millions of people are really and truly FED UP with their crap and taxing us into complete submission to the government. I couldn't care less what others think on here and there is no false assumptions made by me.
The writing is in black and white for those that care to read it. There is no assumption by what "conservative extremism" means and for those that don't live in LA la land, they too know exactly what this is.... an absolute violation of American civil rights. This opens the doors for government to turn lose police, national guard, and whatever else THEY deem necessary to shut up those that do not agree with them.
What about protesting do you have a problem with?
This hate Obama jag you're on tells a lot about you. You don't realize this has to do with your government, regardless who is at the helm, which in this case happens to be Obama. If it were Bush, I would be raising cane as well. Government is government, only this time we have someone on a power trip really going full force on running down our rights....
Maybe Obama should talk to this guy
He's for no taxes.. Obama would NEVER agree to that.
http://parks4staterep.com/2008/10/24/a-tale-of-two-debates/#more-64
Do you want to talk about Obama's statement
today that there are jobs that have gone off shore, never to return, should never return because after all, they don't pay anyone a livable wage here? Suppose he was talking about MT? Since when has anyone been able to live on minimum wage? Just what does "minimum" mean?
Obama has no room to talk about earmarks....and neither he nor Biden...
have much room to talk about flip flopping. Ahem.
Joe the plumber was a plant! Talk radio knew about him BEFORE he asked Obama a question
He is related to Charles Keating of the Keating 5 scandal that McCain was involved in.
Again I say...they O lovers DON'T like
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Why don't you come up with something besides "O lovers"?
really annoying.
What's with the O lovers anyway?
Obama represents to democrats an upstanding individual who we believe will be able to bring about a more efficient government and restore credibility to the nation (among other things). We hope this can be accomplished. However, when even the slightest hint of a rumor comes along (nevermind the source), you guys are all over it acting like it's true before any facts at all have surfaced. Because dems defend against this constant tirade of rabid pubs, we are automatically called O worshipers? Actually, in this case we were called O worshipers in the original post...LOL.
I guess that would make you guys Fox News worshipers. HAIL TO THE BIG O'REILLY! -- you know he's selling door mats on his show now...ROFL...can't wait to get that big ticket item. NOT.
For any and all animal lovers. sm
I am a member of Defenders of Wildlife. This is a copy of an e-mail to that I was sent about Palin and the wolf hunting. The link on the bottom is the link to the TV commercial that members donated for to be shown. I am not sure where all it will be shown but in case it isn't in your area you might want to check it out. It makes me sad watching it as I love all animals, never wear leather or fur and am vegan.
Hi,
Have you ever heard of aerial hunting? It's a brutal practice. Wolves are shot from low-flying aircraft or chased to exhaustion, then killed at point-blank range.
Governor Sarah Palin, the Republican nominee for Vice President, promotes this barbaric practice, exploiting a loophole in the Federal Airborne Hunting Act to allow private wolf killers to shoot down wolves using aircraft. To encourage the killing, she even proposed a $150 bounty for the left foreleg of each dead wolf!
We have to get the word out about this! Please watch this powerful new television ad by Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund, and then share it with every wildlife lover you know:
http://actionfund.defenders.org/palintvwolf
Believe me, the O lovers on here hate that
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Exactly!! Most O lovers in a delusional
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I think that's what O lovers are afraid of....
Of course she doesn't have the power to single handedly divide the country. She says what she believes and she is either liked or not. Some agree, some do not. I couldnt' care less what she wears or all this other nit picky garbage the O lovers have resorted to out of desperation.
A true sign of desperation is pulling out such ridiculous notions and accusations and worrying about her wardrobe. Who cares? At least her money isn't coming from terrorist organizations to help her fund her wardrobe, campaign, or anything else for that matter.
Too bad O lovers don't care where his funds are coming from. They are afraid to find out because the truth "won't set them free".
Aw, according to the O lovers on this board
that math doesn't equal either. That's why I didn't put Ayers and the rest in the mix. There's enough between the Blago's and Rezko to equal the O.
The post with reading the other document....I saved it and hopefully I'll have time tomorrow to read the whole thing (49 pages!).
I just have to find the time to do all I need to do with Christmas coming up. I'm about stretched to the limit now.
No, you're just in a sea of O lovers ......
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And before the O lovers say it ain't so.... remember
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That's like starting a forum for pet lovers
And then saying they can only talk about pets they don't have any more, not their current ones! Or a car enthusiasts forum where people can only speak of vehicles they used to own, not what they currently drive.
What's the point in this forum, then, to only talk about the future or the past, not the present? How ridiculous!
You won't get a response.....O lovers hate
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Don't expect any answers from O lovers on this
If Obama hasn't told them, they wouldn't know....they need him to think for them. He won't even give the amount needed to run his social programs, let alone all the other pie in the sky stuff he wants to do, stuff they do in socialist countries where everyone pays through the nose more than us and the government takes care of all of them, like Obama wants to do, take care of all of us while he screws us all over.
Most of those "plans" he has would put so many businesses out of business it is scary to even think about it. All this stuff he wants mandated...well, if small businesses have to enact that garbage, they will go under. Not the rich! The very middle-class he seems to have convinced this O lovers on this board he wants to take care of.
Oh those O lovers can't read between the lines
right to the slaughter. He has changed his policies several times. He sways with the wind and gets his advisors to revamp "his" policies every time the wind changes direction. Which is why all those that believe those numbers mean anything, are fooling themselves.
You can't 3.5+ trillion dollars worth of government increase by Obama with those small little amounts the O lovers keep reciting on this board. They're making your case and too dumb to know it.
If it's ONLY a few more dollars, how do they think he can pay 3.5 trillion dollars in government increases with that?
For all those O lovers who jumped on the plumber
Obama stated today, while trying to turn the plumber thing back towards McCain as if he NEVER said "spread the wealth" this.......
"How many of you know a plumber that makes half a million dollars?". McCain never said that, Obama did. Obama told the plumber that the business he was looking at buying which may or may not make 250K would be taxed to "spread the wealth" around. Boy, he's desperate now.
Now for all those O lovers who have had such a hatred all of a sudden of a "rich" plumber, how ya gonna back peddle on that one? You and Obama need to get on the same page...... now even Obama says a plumber can't make 250K! What a joke he is.
Still waiting for those O lovers to refute any of this
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narrow minded? yup that is the O lovers
P.S. - last time someone was called stupid they were banned.
You don't like what I have to say fine. Maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself. No need to be rude - oh wait! Your an O lover. Guess you do feel you have the right to be rude.
As Ben Franklin said, which fits perfectly about your post, .... "Better to keep silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
Exactly! ..and ignorance is bliss to those O lovers
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Oh, but it IS funny! You just dont get it. O lovers
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No, what I seen is O lovers are getting a wakeup call
O lovers have nothing else to say because the majority of the US citizens are saying it loudly with every phone call to the white house and it just ain't looking for for Obama, no matter how much he smiles and tells you everybody wants him......well, they ain't wanting him right now.
O lovers just living in denial..... he has let them go
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Why do O lovers always object, even when the truth
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Good luck trying to convince O lovers they;re
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Oooh, O lovers don't wanna hear that....that's
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Notice how all the O lovers get strangely quiet
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Notice how O lovers got suddenly quiet
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Heads up Bush and Cheney lovers...(sm)
from what I understand, the govt will be releasing more of the redacted portions of the torture memos on Friday. Soon to be followed by more info. Hold onto your hats.
You'll NEVER get those hard core O lovers to believe the
They HATE anyone that makes more than they do and are so dumb, they don't realize those with money actually HIRE people to work....
Rich isn't a bad word. If they were rich, they sure as hoot wouldn't think it a bad word and would love to keep their own money and I can guarantee you wouldn't want to hand it over to others who sit on their butts for a living!!
That magical number has gone down from day 1 and will continue to do so....
Where do all these people think all the money will come from to pay for all the social government controlled programs come from? There aren't enough RICH people in this country to pay for all that waste!! Of course, they'll believe anything Obama yammers on about and will actually believe it's gonna be paid for by reallocating monies within the government.... won't increase the country's deficit at all...
yea, right!!
Calling all CLINTON LOVERS..... hard pill for
I have been watching the blame game, mostly towards the Republicans, of which I am not, but this is absurd, to watch posters blabbering foolishly about something they obviously know nothing about. Poster is right about Federal Reserve BUT do you people not realize who signed the LANDMARK DEREGULATION bill? It was Bill Clinton folks....get your facts straight.
FINANCIAL SERVICES MODERNIZATION ACT of 1999 -- signed by President Bill Clinton. Many of you really need to read up on that one. He and Greenspan managed to drive an already overheated economy when he signed this deregulation into law. This was the root cause for the Internet and real estate bubble....sorry, but Bush was not at the helm when this problem started, but Clinton was and really pushed things over the edge and started the ball rolling when he deregulated the banks. What did he think was going to happen when he took regulation out of the banking system? He took out accountability and that's when greed started growing like wildfire.
Now, before you continue spewing Republican hatred, you might want to do your homework. As much as you might not like the answer, facts are facts and you are welcome to pull up 'ole Billy boy's "modernization act" and read up on it.
Clinton's lack of foreign policy also perpetuated this mess with Al-Qaeda, so of course any future president, dem or rep was going to have to deal with the mess he left.
To all you Palin lovers, please check your facts...(inside)
It is scary that so many of you think this woman is so wonderful. How in the world can you think that when she is tromping on everyone to beat it to the White House when she is so unqualified. Plus the woman must be on welfare that she has to charge the state of Alaska for flights, hotel rooms (and not in the Days Inn either), for herself, children, etc., then go back into her expense chart and add things to get it to pass, wonder who advised her to do that?) She certainly did not disclose the wardrobe that was given to her out of campaign money, and she didn't shop at Walmart either, admidst the credit crunch she pretends to care about (I guess it doesn't apply to her personally), and where there is smoke there is fire, the woman is vindictive, look at Troopergate. This morning now it is being disclosed she leaned to special bids for the Alaskan pipeline that cannot possibly be built for years if even then and that is her platform. Anyone who cries foul about the press maligning her when they find out about sneaky things she does does not get my respect. Just listen to her interview with Katie Couric - how dumb can one get? I did not start out biased towards her, I just read about her and became alarmed.
Anyone willing to talk about something serious...
instead of talk radio or Gore's electrice bill. I am referring to Libby's trial, the firing of 8 judges, Pete Domineci, the unnecessary and ever rising numbers of dead - everywhere, 40 towns in Vermont calling for impeachment (of course this won't go anywhere but the gesture is telling), a pardon for Libby (and does he have to admit guilt to be pardoned which he has not done), the fact that Libby was the attorney to the much maligned Marc Rich who was pardoned by Clinton, which was also much maligned. Was Scooter as evil as Clinton for having defended him in his dealings with Iran and his tax evasion as Clinton was for pardoning him ?? If all this was just about infighting between the FBI and the administration and George Tenet, then why did Libby lie at all; wouldn't be important enough to lie about, IMHO. Throwing it out there.
You need to talk to someone who has
more knowledge about this than your average Joe. It is $250,000 per individual. Not couple, not family. Trust me, JM is going to have to get the money somewhere to offset this astronomical deficit. CHINA owns all of our securities!!!!! JM is not going after the rich for this money..........so where is he going to get it? We are headed for an all-out depression. We need to stockpile cash, food, basic necessities. If you are breaking even on your ranch - I clearly do not see where Obama's tax proposal is going to affect you. I do see more of the same screwing the entire country.
I only want to talk about what you are going to do to fix it. nm
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Pie in the sky talk
There is no way he can do that. We have a state representative who lives on our street. When he heard this, he said he nearly fell over and couldn't believe this guy was making that kind of promise to the AMerican people. He said there is NO WAY that will ever happen because he admitted the Senators have a very cushy healthcare plan we all pay dearly for but there will not be an affordable plan to get the same healthcare plan they get. He has misled or just downright lied about that one.
You darn right it won't be free and it WON'T be affordable. Obama knows the only ones who would be able to afford that are the ones that are very well off, the very rich he condemns. Well, news flash, they already have that kind of plan.
Just another tactic to get your vote because he knows healthcare is a big factor here.
What are you trying to talk about now?
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Is no one going to talk about this?
I think it is a legitimate concern. This is a site I found that kind of analyzes the Obama's tax returns. For the amount of money they make, they didn't really give that much to charity.
Shouldn't they practice what they preach?
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/03/obama-releases.html
I mean if you can explain this, please do. I just want to understand why he expects us to "be our brother's keeper" yet he doesn't seem to do much at all charity-wise.
Hey, you can't talk about HIM like that...LOL
You think we can talk to those who would rather
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OMG....talk about
nit picking. You people have no problem nit picking pubs, but if we dare to nit pick dems....we are called racist. Well....how about this......I think that woman is obnoxious and not even worthy to watch. I personally think Michael Steele is great and I'm glad he is the head of the RNC. He obviously is a black man and I think it is perfectly fine for him to use the term "bling-bling." What...because he is a pub the usual racial outcries don't apply? If someone attacked Obama for saying bling bling and using hip-hop as a reference to how his party is going to be....you all would bow down and kiss his feet. They bring up Michael Steele's catering business and a federal investigation.......what about Obama's buying of his house in Illinios with Rezko? That was okay according to liberals...just hide that tid bit and down play it and federally investigate a pub who isn't even the president. Appoint a tax evader to the head of the IRS and that is okay but federally investigate a pub over his sister's catering company. Such double standards!
OKAY!! Let's see what happens! Then we can talk about it. NM
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