No, unfortunately its not BS...(sm)
Posted By: Just the big bad on 2009-05-23
In Reply to: I don't believe I force people - Trigger Happy
that mentality of "they do it, so we should be able to do it too" is the problem. We don't torture on a regular basis. If we did, we'd be torturing gang members and home-grown terrorists. Why don't we do that? Because we don't believe in it. The basic moral of the country indicates that its wrong. So, why is it all the sudden okay to do it? It's called revenge and fear. People like you want retribution for 911, and you're willing to target anyone who gets in your way because of your fear.
I obviously can't say this enough: Waterboarding has been proven to be ineffective for getting viable, truthful intelligence. You can dispute that all you want, but the numbers show differently. So why would we use waterboarding for national security? Simple....we aren't....or didn't. It was used to get some kind of confession that would link Al-Q to Iraq to make the case for going to war in Iraq. It's just that simple. They messed up when they went into Iraq, and they messed up when they started torturing people. This is the classic case of 2 wrongs don't make a right, and you guys are eating it up like candy.
Go back and listen to Cheney's speech from the other night. How many times did he say "9-11" in his speech? How many times did he paint everything as a gloom and doom "the terrorists are gonna get ya" slogan? Notice that when he first talked about Iraq he flat out said there was a link between Iraq and Al-Q when they wanted to go into Iraq. The other night he said (paraphrasing) "Iraq has terrorist links." OF COURSE THEY DO! Everyone over there does! The problem with that is that over there what is considered a terrorist today may be the ruling government tomorrow. Cheney is putting everything in the context of fear and is counting on people just like you to be scared enough by this tactic to back his paranoid delusions. This is the same rhetoric we heard for the last 8 years, and that rhetoric (which is echoed by Fox) has turned many into scared yes men who have let this fear override whatever morals they might have otherwise had.
You need to think outside of the box.
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