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Guantanamo General Tells Story of the Hidden Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
I am appalled, and would hope everyone on this board is too. These are the people who hate us and want to kill us, and the liberals/democrats/Obama, want to close down this base, bring them to America, and give them the same rights that we have.
Guantanamo General Tells Story of the Hidden Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
Tuesday, December 16, 2008
By Catherine Herridge
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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
The soldiers who guard Khalid Sheikh Mohammed say he is a calculating man, a monster in a monk's habit and a leader of the prisoners locked away in Guantanamo Bay, where he's on trial for the murder of thousands.
With rare access and interviews, FOX News has learned new and sobering details about "The Sheikh," the man known simply as KSM.
"I was there when they read him his charges," said Brig. Gen. Gregory Zanetti, deputy commander of Joint Task Force Guantanamo. "Pretty sobering moment — charged with murder, terrorism, conspiracy. He looked at the sheet and said 'I did this, I did this, I did this. I did more than this. I'm guilty. I feel sorry for my defense attorney.'"
Zanetti told FOX News about life behind the wire at Guantanamo Bay's maximum security camps. Camp 7 is home to the most notorious, including Mohammed, the master planner of 9/11.
"He's very compliant, he is very studious and he is very calculating. He thinks things through very well, he plays things out. When you watch him in court, he has all of this choreographed," Zanetti said.
"He wants to die — he wants to be a martyr for the cause. He believes his story is being written right now, to be laid down side by side next to [the Prophet] Muhammad," Zanetti told FOX News.
Inside Guantanamo, maximum security cells provide an arrow pointing toward Mecca to orient the prisoners for prayer. Mohammed prays constantly, apparently a devout man, which Zanetti finds mystifying.
"The guy's got a long beard, studious glasses — he looked like a professor. ... You see him in a cell and he'll pray hours on end. What God are you praying to? What are you thinking, what is going on up there?" Zanetti wonders. "But if he could do it all again, he would."
Even in captivity, he still is leading members of AL Qaeda, who fall in lock-step with his plans.
"He knows what he's going to say, the message he wants to get out, what he's going to have his followers do. You've seen him in court — very quickly people fall in behind him."
Sketch artist Janet Hamlin's brush with Mohammed came at his first court appearance at Guantanamo in June. As a courtesy, the military allowed KSM to review the sketch. He quickly sent word to Hamlin that he hated it.
"He doesn't like it. He's saying he won't approve of it, it cannot be released until the nose is changed," she told FOX News. Mohammed made his demands clear: "'Tell her to find my FBI photo off the Internet, use that as reference. Fix it.'"
Mohammed's concern about his image is fundamental, but it can also breed rivalries among the detainees.
"You see this inside the camps; they get jealous of each other: 'You were in the news more than I was in the news.' It drives [Mohammed] crazy if he thinks no one cares. He thinks he's part of this much bigger picture," Zanetti said.
But the picture inside Guantanamo is often an ugly one. Some prisoners do all in their power to violate the guards.
"What they do is stuff that you and I would find despicable. They save up their bodily fluid, feces and so on, and then when the guard comes to deliver food, they get a feces cocktail thrown in their face."
It's something Zanetti says occurs almost daily, and weighs heavily on the guards, who are tasked with feeding and clothing the prisoners and tending to them when they are sick. Hospital staff get the worst exposure of all from the detainees, he said.
"You ensure that their life is as comfortable as possible while the detainees are trying to make the guards' life as miserable as possible."
Those daily doses of hatred are a stark reminder about some of the men locked up inside the camp, including Mohammed, who has claimed responsibility for decapitating Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in 2002.
"We have more than our fair share of Hannibal Lecters around here," Zanetti said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468125,00.html
Typical. Totally ignore the fact that you and your buddy...
condescend, talk down, belittle, demean, ridicule, lace your posts with insults....but I guess that is such normal behavior for you you don't realize it.
C'mon Teddy/Taiga/Lifelong Democrat and who knows how many other...it really doesn't matter and it is old news. If you don't want comments at least change the style of posting when you change your moniker. Why do you care what I think anyway? Again you protest too much.
All I can say is that they time their comings and goings reallyyy well.
A world full of evil liberals? Puleezzeee. I see a couple here with delusions of grandeur but evil? Not even close.
I don't call you Teddy as a taunt. You posted under that moniker for a very long time. Apparently you didn't mind the name.
Had I time/energy/and cared I could go back in the archives and cut and paste out of context for you and Ms. Piglet too, but...I don't have...and, frankly, your opinion of me is not something that is going to cause me to lose sleep. So rail on. Knock yourself out. Get that anger out. If you are directing it at me you are letting someone else rest. And that is a very good thing.
Your buddy Rush. I think I've watched his show 1 time.
Yeah, I watch the Factor and Hannity and Coombs most days. I like to see all sides of a story.
But on to Rush who I don't give a raiting point and if this is the kind of babbling he does he would lose me everytime...
"You (liberals I assume he's talking about) are offended by all that, claiming they don't have the right to make such decisions, while you sit around and make no decisions whatsoever because you're willing to totally put your life in the hands of some liberal politician and that will take you off the hook for having to make any decision about your life or anybody else's...."
How does he know that? He's making a big ASSumption. Just another right wing nut trying to convince himself and anyone else who will listen that the left has no values and that you "the people" have all of the values, are the only ones who are God fearing, raise your families and care about America. People like Rush do America a big DISservice, with this kind of garble being the #1 rated radio station there will never be any kind of unity among Americans.
"You hope we lose it. You want to lose it because you want to embarrass the leaders of the country. What must your lives be like?"
I have never met or talked to a person who said they hope we lose the war. This is nonsense. What I think most opposers of the war believe is WE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE, but that we have to at least stabilize the Iraq and start an aggressive pullout plan. Iraqis have been freed of the terrible regime of Sadaam Hussein and once their country is stabilized, we have no reason to be there, you know seeing as if there are no WMDs there. Iraqi National Security is their responsibility not ours. We need to get our focus on American National Security.
How about the one God gave us?
*You reap what you sow.* That's what they've done.
Anyhoo, thought you said you were leaving. Hmmmmmmmm.... they didn't have a real high regard for the truth, either.
To anyone else reading this: This person isn't even trying to hide the fact that he/she is baiting us. Let's not permit them to do to the Liberal board what they did to the Conservative board.
Just don't read this person's posts any more. They said they were leaving. They aren't doing that, and their only intention is to incite. Let's take the high road and not fall for their crap!
You just gave yourself away, gt. SM
LMFAO = gt and a whole lot of other posters. You don't fool me.
This will get you the information
www.operationmilitarypride.com
some information...
I had the privilege and honor of seeing Mother Teresa some years ago in D.C. The audience was made up of a few ordinary people and mostly political and/or media types. The woman did not mince words. She did not hesitate to tell everyone in the audience how she felt that intolerance, indifference, selfishness, materialism and consumerism, the treatment of and attitudes towards the poor, the sick, the imprisoned run rampant were things that incited people to take up arms against each other, to hate one another, etc. and that Americans might want to look a good look at themselves and give some thoughtful prayer to what part they may play in the situations they so despised. Some of the people were so moved by her that they talked to her about going to India. They wanted to work in her clinics, her hospitals, on the streets. She laughed out loud and I will never forget what she said. She said, and I quote, ** You do not have to go to another country to do God's work. Take a look around you. Man's inhumanity to man is evident everywhere. Go into your own cities and find the poor, the needy, the imprisoned, the sick, the haters with hardened hearts, whatever. They will always be with us and they are everywhere. I believe sincerely that peace is God's work, perhaps in the highest form. You think we live in peace here in this country; as Mother Teresa said, look around you. The war is but 1 faction of a very very sick society, a sick world. I was born into peace and nonviolence. I have practiced it all my life. Protests are really quite a small part of my nonviolent lifestyle. There is plenty enough hatred, violence, intolerance and indifference to keep the peacekeepers busy until the end of time, right where they live, wherever that may be. We also unfortunately have, in this country, warmongering and war profiteering and people in power who could care less about exploiting our troops and whomever they may be fighting. War is a big money maker for some folks. I do protest here but these days it is mostly letters to the editor, letters to senators, clergy, manning phones, that sort of thing. Another thing I believe is that the Creator is the changer of hearts and minds, not men, and that prayer changes things. You asked what I did besides whine on the other board, where were my legs...you asked for it, here it is.
1. I train service dogs for the disabled. I do this for all sorts of people, some of whom happen to be veterans whose welcome home from their government is, in my opinion, nothing short of betrayal. The wonderful projects, facilities that have sprung up to help these vets are all and I mean ALL privately funded, quite a few of the dogs I train have been purchased or **sponsored** meaning covering all costs and it is quite expensive, from the bleeding heart liberal pinko commies as you refer to us. They pay the fee, anywhere from $12,000 to $25,000 so that people who cannot afford it or whose government does not think them or their service important enough to provide them everything they could possibly ever need can get something they desperately need. My portion of this 2-year training program is the last leg, the month where trainer, new owner and dog are put together to learn the mechanics of what they are doing together and to learn each other. At this point the dog, its care, individualized training, all vet bills have been paid for. Normally I charge for this month of training that I do one-on-one. I have NEVER charged 1 red cent to any veteran for my services and I never will. This is one of the ways I support the troops but not the mission. You see, it can be done.
2. I have belonged to a prayer and meditation for peace group since I was a child. If I go somewhere where I can't find one, I start one or I hook up with the Mennonites or Friends, the original civil disobeyers. We PRAY for peace, for everyone, everywhere.
3. I work with St. Vincent de Paul (Catholic organization for the needy),
4. I do meals on wheels (substitute only now, too busy with everything else),
5. I go with a group of Indians to elementary schools throughout the Tampa Bay area in full regalia with drums, flutes and stories to share with them to try to give them a good honest look at indigenous people. This seems to be going over very well. We have more dates than we can actually handle. I am very proud to do this work.
Those are my legs and I have had them for a long time. As I recall, this is our board, the L board, so I can post whatever I like and you don't have to read my posts because you always find fault with whatever I said but I will continue to **preach to the choir** as long as I feel like it because it is the liberal board and the liberals don't mind hearing about nonviolence. As Ghandi said, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. And, for further perusal, here's a bit of history on Ghandi.
After one year of a none too successful law practice (in England), Gandhi decided to accept an offer from an Indian businessman in South Africa, Dada Abdulla, to join him as a legal adviser. Unbeknown to him, this was to become an exceedingly lengthy stay, and altogether Gandhi was to stay in South Africa for over twenty years. The Indians who had been living in South Africa were without political rights, and were generally known by the derogatory name of 'coolies'. Gandhi himself came to an awareness of the frightening force and fury of European racism, and how far Indians were from being considered full human beings, when he was thrown out of a first-class railway compartment car, though he held a first-class ticket, at Pietermaritzburg. From this political awakening Gandhi was to emerge as the leader of the Indian community, and it is in South Africa that he first coined the term satyagraha to signify his theory and practice of non-violent resistance. Gandhi was to describe himself preeminently as a votary or seeker of satya (truth), which could not be attained other than through ahimsa (non-violence, love) and brahmacharya (celibacy, striving towards God). Gandhi conceived of his own life as a series of experiments to forge the use of satyagraha in such a manner as to make the oppressor and the oppressed alike recognize their common bonding and humanity: as he recognized, freedom is only freedom when it is indivisible.
Aho.
Where did this information come from?....
the Obama website? I am not trying to start a fight either, but what makes this information any more accurate than the other poster's? Who has independently verified any of it?
The only one who knows how "indoctrinated" Obama is with the Muslim religion or how much he ascribes to it, supports it or it influences him, is Barack Obama. And I think anyone who thinks differently is fooling himself/herself.
As to the United Church of Christ...it has a flagrantly racist agenda, and regardless of what he says he has to know that if he was listening to any of the sermons...Jeremiah Wright did not wake up the morning of Obama's candidacy a racist and that church did not turn racist overnight...
Don't trust Obama. I have read up about his Chicago days and ties to Daly...the most corrupt political machine in the history of this country.
Nope, don't trust him. Not a bit.
Information is the key
Ladies/gentlemen, we can go back and forth on the candidates and their character, however, as we all know candidates can and will promise anything while running for president and promises are conveniently forgotton once in office. To find out what is in a candidate's heart, read each party's platform which is easily assessible on the internet. The platform will let you know what the candidates will be focusing on once in office. Since each candidate's economic or tax plan really cannot be tested until they are in office, look for issues that concern you morally. Regardless of which candidate wins, let's vow to be united once it is over.
I believe you get your information
from blogs.
where do you get this information?
I have not heard anything whatsoever about this - can you give me something more?
Add the URL for this information.
Yes, and he said he gave her a ZERO.
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Your information is so ignorant.....
of the real truth that is kind of scares me. I am afraid that this is what the U.S. has become - a nation of ignorant lemmings who cannot read the information available and refuse to believe what has been documented over and over and over again....that we have been grievously misled by this administration. PLEASE educate yourself, study multiple world-wide news and information sources from various political genres and THEN draw your conclusions. And I can assure you, the conclusions may be painful and they will also be startlingly different from you currently hold to be true.
For your paranoid information sm
ALL blogs track ISP numbers. You must not post a lot of places. It's part of the software that comes with blogging and it also allows people to be banned who create a nuisance. Having said that, I see a whole lot of posting here and it is not being removed. An aspersion was cast as to whether I might be another post and using another name. It's easy enough to prove. I have my own suspicions about a lot of the posters on here. But I keep that to myself. You aren't going to blog anywhere that isn't monitored.
I can't believe anyone actually compiled this information.
Things are worse than I thought.
Oh, you just gave me the goosebumps!
We would indeed be better citizens of the world :o)
it gave me chills to see it on TV
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Where did you get that information, if you don't mind....
and no pregnant 17-year-olds are involved in this question.
You have way too little time for information.
I don't know how to tell you this, but making an informed decision on how to vote is not a sound-byte proposition. The previous poster did the research for you. All you had to do is open your eyes (and your brain) and read it. There are important problems this nation faces and they have nothing whatsoever to do with pigs and lipstick. If voters do not take the time to understand what they are and vote personality over policy, they will end up getting exactly what they deserve. What makes this such a shame is that the rest of us will end up paying the price. For heaven's sake, become part of the solution, not part of the problem.
Very good information, thank you!
Music is pretty good too!
if someone gave kc a pop quiz
miserably - ha
More information there if you bothered to look....
and much more recent than the Keating 5...4 of whom were democrats.
It was not a dead end. The information was there...
you just chose to ignore it, because it was not flattering to Obama. Period.
Wrong. Where the he!! do you get your information? nm
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What if they gave an election and nobody came?
Do you think this will be a high voter turn-out year? Voter registrations are waaaay up this year. (Barring, of course, the fraudulent registrations which will hopefully have been resoved by election day.)
It's certainly been the most hotly contested campaign season I can recall - and I've been voting since the late 70s. There's so much bravado and blustering coming from both camps, and the media clearly chose their darling many moons ago, it seems like people will either be so sick of it, or apathetic about the outcome, that a lot of folks simply won't bother to show up.
I know there's been a massive push to register young voters. Our college campus has been crawling with people trying to stir up support for a certain candidate. My daughter and her friends are apporached every time they attend an event, from football games to local band open mic nights. But do you think everyone will actually turn up on election day?
And this may be totally UN-PC, but I'm not so sure everybody SHOULD vote. I mean, if you're too lazy to register, are you really going to be doing your due diligence and educating yourself about each candidate's policies and proposals?
What do you all think about it?
I did that below. Also gave the name of the site.
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Exactly, he never gave a definitive
answer to one question tonight. For that matter, he never does. It is always beat around the bush and then "lets talk about the issues people want to hear" and then never tell us anything. You never get a straightforward answer from him or from any of his constituents. No one can tell you what he plans to do or how he plans to do it.
Huh? What do you mean cases? He gave me...sm
his opinion, very simple case he said, open and shut. He is my brother, I didn't ask for a $500 legal consultation. Good grief.
And you have this information on WHOSE authority?
international politics and Obama are not founded in reality and merit very little comment. Why don't you stick to your wait and see mode from yesterday. Bush is in office, it IS his problem, the Russian action is aimed at Poland, Bush will likely pass on his responsibility because the only thing he knows is "whup up" and "bring it on." The only problem with that is that he has nothing left to work with after all these years in Iraq, new fronts popping up all over the place. BTW, pehaps he has his own party-bound agenda in his nonresponse which may be underpinning the recent outbreak of air space violations and bombing campaigns in three separate sovereign countries in just as many weeks...Syria, Pakistan and Iran. The old saber-rattlesnake is not going quietly into the night and does not give a second thought to what kind of destruction he leaves in his path.
Well now....who do you think gave them that authority?
That would be your democratically controlled congress. Before the bill, the secretary of the treasury couldn't do squat. So if Bush IS making all these decisions, it is because YOUR dem congress allowed him to. So why not go hold THEIR feet to the fire??
that was the information I read from day one -
Okay, here are at least 4 articles that are dated before this week that show that it is for college credit and it is not required - I am sure if you need more to prove that the REQUIRED part was not just changed this week, I can find more articles that are dated before this week - let me know if you need more...
http://parentstudentloans.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/sen-obama-wants-to-link-college-tax-credit-to-community-service/
http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2008/10/06/News/Obama.Emphasizes.Tax.Credit.For.Community.Service-3470957.shtml
http://www.newamerica.net/blog/higher-ed-watch/2008/election-2008-obamas-taxing-college-decisions-ahead-8225
http://volokh.com/posts/1220239627.shtml
Just who gave Indonesia the right
to denounce a U.S. citizen's AMERICAN citizenship. Who cares what Indonesia did. At the time Obama was a kid for crying out loud and the school or government could put whatever they wanted on whatever they wanted. This citizenship non-issue gets more absurd with every post about it.
Oh, please, I gave as much as I could for Obama and I
am not a member of ACORN. You people just will not give up and know - yes we can and did!!!
OMG, you gave me a big laugh. And what about
the black/red dress Michelle wore when O held his victory speech in Illinois? Comments were: Different, astonishing etc......????
I gave you a joke......maybe you should
aim your bile at the first poster. While picking up ammo for my handgun last weekend - the salesman said "better stock up before the brownies come for us" - that's a redneck...............aka a$$hole
Hey, I gave you a pass on
'most of the people there was'. Or was that intentional?
We don't usually rag on hurried typo errors because we have no spell check on this forum. But not bothering to look up a spelling or making a rookie grammatical error are both noteworthy.
Very interesting information.
To make matters even worse, every bit of my microscopic federal "tax break" has been more than eaten up by higher state sales taxes now, and of course that will get even worse when we start to see higher prices because higher prices mean higher sales taxes.
What the government giveth (to get silly people to vote for them), the government taketh away - and a little bit extra just for good measure.
Again, what is your solution to get information out
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In an effort to provide some information sm
I was on vacation when the posts were made, but a friend of mine copied them and sent them to me. They were no exactly death threats, but under a post wishing President Bush Happy Birthday, there were two posts saying something to the effect that they hoped Bush died and burned in hell. Also, every single thing you accuse conservatives of in this long post, every SINGLE thing, has been committed on this board by liberals. You might also notice that most of the conservative posters have stopped coming over here, something the liberal posters have not been able to do, as their drive-by postings still appear sporadically and predictably.
Now that gave me cold chills. SM
Mostly because I feel this very sentiment oozing from this board. Man, I hope none of the terrorists read here.
If the information she has to offer upsets you this much...
....perhaps you should debate with the folks on the conservative board who will agree with you and pat you on the back. Perhaps your anger with gt is not about her, but about you (to paraphrase the mental health folks).
She isn't supplying any information, Observor. SM
This is between gt and I and several other posters who she is telling we should not be concerned with something that seems to be more important to us that her. Excuse me, but how dare she! In fact, I have had many conversations with liberals on the conservative board. You might want to check that out. The rest of your post isn't worth addressing. If someone doesn't agree with you, they are either lying, have a mental problem, are uninformed, or have an anger problem. That speaks for itself.
No, the administrator is not giving me any information, nor would I ask. sm
I made a rejoiner when you once again accused me of something I didn't do (see above posts). Have you got all the meat off this bone yet!
I had thought that such information was not available to the public.
This is a privacy issue, and therefore an ethical issue. If such personal information as ISP numbers are freely availale to other posters on this board I would no longer wish to post here. And if this is the case it needs to be posted.
Do you have inside information on IP addresses!!! How is that possible!!!
What is going on here! I can't believe this!!!!!
Sound familiar? 
I have no inside information. That's my point.
None of us speak for all of us.
Your *information* was filled with insults...sm
Sorry I don't meet your level of debate.
In the case you gave if the teacher said...sm
*I'm not in any way trying to tell you what you should believe of think but I am going to put this out there for you thing about...Some people believe Jesus Christ died and was born again for the sins of man.*
I still wouldn't see the problem. You have to listen to the entire statement. He said pointedly that he was not trying to tell the students how they should believe. But, if all you got over the newswaves were the butt end *Jesus died and was born again for the sins of man* then the entire point would be lost anyway.
That said, I think this teacher needs to find a job in a political science class where his comments would be more appropriate. I don't think he should be fired but a) moved to a political science class or b) told to stick to the cirriculum. I don't think either will be enough for those out for blood on this case.
Do you really rely on information from the Daily Kos?
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