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So instead of saying "that is classified information"

Posted By: they brag during SotU addresses on 2009-01-13
In Reply to: I'll answer for her...it's called "classified information......(sm) - a conservative voice in the wilderness

and press conferences about things that are not true? That makes no sense at all. The were presenting instances where they were trying to prove that their policies were justified. If it is classified, rather like--oh, I don't know--the identity of undercover CIA operatives--then why even present examples of success? Why not just stick with their tried and true "it's our business, not yours, go away now" policy?




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Wow, how vitreolic you can get? It is all in de-classified information and has been .....sm
widely published, I am not going to put my little links in here for everyone to follow, why do the Bush supporters hate history and fact so much? Hey, I would have loved it if George had been a great President and had carried on the prosperity from the previous 8 years, and by the way, Iraq did not attack us, the radical fundamentalist Islamic Jihaad did under Bin Ladin, and we knew he was in Afghanistan......bait and switch is a time-worn trick of the previous administration, truth hurts, but not more than the mess we are in. I am not trying to kick down Gearge, but why do the pubs keep trying to put him back up on his tarnished pedastal and re-write history for him? He is a nice man but he was a GIANT LOSER of a president, and I would say that if he were Democratic, he has dragged this nation into the mud in more ways than one and we ALL should be angry and looking for solutions instead of finger pointing. Enough already, it is like dealing with little kids who want to root for their superhero.
Correction... *un* classified document.

Even "that guy" . . .
wouldn't have been as bad as "that one". Not a bit of class or grace in that man.
Are you the same person who just said "that's a liberal for ya??"
Is that not labeling? Then a couple lines down you are going off about being labeled a neocon. Talk about living in a glass house.

It never ceases to amaze me how you guys think that if a *far left liberal* agrees or disagree with something then we all should. The only thing wrong with the jokes is that they should have been on Comedy Central, not at a government dinner. I agree with that much.
You will be getting a whole lot more sick of "that garbage"
crawl back under their rocks and shut their traps. For as long as it is out there, you will be hearing from those of us who consider racism to the the single most despicible curse that grips our nation. It takes a very small, small person not to be able recognize the relationship between hate speech and human suffering. Pure class, that "garbage" comment.
And McCain called him "THAT One." So?

Here we go again.


So this is all about religion.  Or maybe religion with a little race on top.  BUSH is the one who claimed HE was "The One."


People have felt suppressed after eight years of Bush.  They're HAPPY that they will have a president who can at least speak in complete sentences.


That's not worship.  That's relief and hope that the next four (if not eight) years will be much better than the last eight.


People like you creep me out -- A LOT! 


Yuck!


I like Stephen Colbert's attitude. He said concerning the remarks about colors: "That was th
Dr. Seuss book ever!"  We take ourselves so seriously.  Someone is always going to be offended. 
This will get you the information

www.operationmilitarypride.com


 


some information...

I had the privilege and honor of seeing Mother Teresa some years ago in D.C. The audience was made up of a few ordinary people and mostly political and/or media types. The woman did not mince words. She did not hesitate to tell everyone in the audience how she felt that intolerance, indifference, selfishness, materialism and consumerism, the treatment of and attitudes towards the poor, the sick, the imprisoned run rampant were things that incited people to take up arms against each other, to hate one another, etc. and that Americans might want to look a good look at themselves and give some thoughtful prayer to what part they may play in the situations they so despised. Some of the people were so moved by her that they talked to her about going to India. They wanted to work in her clinics, her hospitals, on the streets. She laughed out loud and I will never forget what she said. She said, and I quote, ** You do not have to go to another country to do God's work. Take a look around you. Man's inhumanity to man is evident everywhere. Go into your own cities and find the poor, the needy, the imprisoned, the sick, the haters with hardened hearts, whatever. They will always be with us and they are everywhere. I believe sincerely that peace is God's work, perhaps in the highest form. You think we live in peace here in this country; as Mother Teresa said, look around you. The war is but 1 faction of a very very sick society, a sick world. I was born into peace and nonviolence. I have practiced it all my life. Protests are really quite a small part of my nonviolent lifestyle. There is plenty enough hatred, violence, intolerance and indifference to keep the peacekeepers busy until the end of time, right where they live, wherever that may be.  We also unfortunately have, in this country, warmongering and war profiteering and people in power who could care less about exploiting our troops and whomever they may be fighting. War is a big money maker for some folks. I do protest here but these days it is mostly letters to the editor, letters to senators, clergy, manning phones, that sort of thing. Another thing I believe is that the Creator is the changer of hearts and minds, not men, and that prayer changes things. You asked what I did besides whine on the other board, where were my legs...you asked for it, here it is.


1. I train service dogs for the disabled. I do this for all sorts of people, some of whom happen to be veterans whose welcome home from their government is, in my opinion, nothing short of betrayal. The wonderful projects, facilities that have sprung up to help these vets are all and I mean ALL privately funded, quite a few of the dogs I train have been purchased or **sponsored** meaning covering all costs and it is quite expensive,  from the bleeding heart liberal pinko commies as you refer to us. They pay the fee, anywhere from $12,000 to $25,000 so that people who cannot afford it or whose government does not think them or their service  important enough to provide them everything they could possibly ever need can get something they desperately need. My portion of this 2-year training program is the last leg, the month where trainer, new owner and dog are put together to learn the mechanics of what they are doing together and to learn each other. At this point the dog, its care, individualized training, all vet bills have been paid for. Normally I charge for this month of training that I do one-on-one.  I have NEVER charged 1 red cent to any veteran for my services and I never will. This is one of the ways I support the troops but not the mission. You see, it can be done.


2.  I have belonged to a prayer and meditation for peace group since I was a child. If I go somewhere where I can't find one, I start one or I hook up with the Mennonites or Friends, the original civil disobeyers. We PRAY for peace, for everyone, everywhere.


3.  I work with St. Vincent de Paul (Catholic organization for the needy),


4.  I do meals on wheels (substitute only now, too busy with everything else),


5.  I go with a group of Indians to elementary schools throughout the Tampa Bay area in full regalia with drums, flutes and stories to share with them to try to give them a good honest look at indigenous people. This seems to be going over very well. We have more dates than we can actually handle. I am very proud to do this work.


Those are my legs and I have had them for a long time.  As I recall, this is our board, the L board, so I can post whatever I like and you don't have to read my posts because you always find fault with whatever I said but I will continue to **preach to the choir** as long as I feel like it because it is the liberal board and the liberals don't mind hearing about nonviolence. As Ghandi said, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. And, for further perusal, here's a bit of history on Ghandi.


After one year of a none too successful law practice (in England), Gandhi decided to accept an offer from an Indian businessman in South Africa, Dada Abdulla, to join him as a legal adviser. Unbeknown to him, this was to become an exceedingly lengthy stay, and altogether Gandhi was to stay in South Africa for over twenty years. The Indians who had been living in South Africa were without political rights, and were generally known by the derogatory name of 'coolies'. Gandhi himself came to an awareness of the frightening force and fury of European racism, and how far Indians were from being considered full human beings, when he was thrown out of a first-class railway compartment car, though he held a first-class ticket, at Pietermaritzburg. From this political awakening Gandhi was to emerge as the leader of the Indian community, and it is in South Africa that he first coined the term satyagraha to signify his theory and practice of non-violent resistance. Gandhi was to describe himself preeminently as a votary or seeker of satya (truth), which could not be attained other than through ahimsa (non-violence, love) and brahmacharya (celibacy, striving towards God). Gandhi conceived of his own life as a series of experiments to forge the use of satyagraha in such a manner as to make the oppressor and the oppressed alike recognize their common bonding and humanity: as he recognized, freedom is only freedom when it is indivisible.


Aho.


Where did this information come from?....
the Obama website? I am not trying to start a fight either, but what makes this information any more accurate than the other poster's? Who has independently verified any of it?

The only one who knows how "indoctrinated" Obama is with the Muslim religion or how much he ascribes to it, supports it or it influences him, is Barack Obama. And I think anyone who thinks differently is fooling himself/herself.

As to the United Church of Christ...it has a flagrantly racist agenda, and regardless of what he says he has to know that if he was listening to any of the sermons...Jeremiah Wright did not wake up the morning of Obama's candidacy a racist and that church did not turn racist overnight...

Don't trust Obama. I have read up about his Chicago days and ties to Daly...the most corrupt political machine in the history of this country.

Nope, don't trust him. Not a bit.
Information is the key
Ladies/gentlemen, we can go back and forth on the candidates and their character, however, as we all know candidates can and will promise anything while running for president and promises are conveniently forgotton once in office.  To find out what is in a candidate's heart, read each party's platform which is easily assessible on the internet. The platform will let you know what the candidates will be focusing on once in office. Since each candidate's economic or tax plan really cannot be tested until they are in office, look for issues that concern you morally. Regardless of which candidate wins, let's vow to be united once it is over.
I believe you get your information
from blogs.
where do you get this information?
I have not heard anything whatsoever about this - can you give me something more?
Add the URL for this information.

Your information is so ignorant.....
of the real truth that is kind of scares me.  I am afraid that this is what the U.S. has become - a nation of ignorant lemmings who cannot read the information available and refuse to believe what has been documented over and over and over again....that we have been grievously misled by this administration.  PLEASE educate yourself, study multiple world-wide news and information sources from various political genres and THEN draw your conclusions.  And I can assure you, the conclusions may be painful and they will also be startlingly different from you currently hold to be true.
For your paranoid information sm
ALL blogs track ISP numbers.  You must not post a lot of places.  It's part of the software that comes with blogging and it also allows people to be banned who create a nuisance.   Having said that, I see a whole lot of posting here and it is not being removed.   An aspersion was cast as to whether I might be another post and using another name. It's easy enough to prove.  I have my own suspicions about a lot of the posters on here.  But I keep that to myself.  You aren't going to blog anywhere that isn't monitored. 
I can't believe anyone actually compiled this information.
Things are worse than I thought.
Where did you get that information, if you don't mind....
and no pregnant 17-year-olds are involved in this question.
You have way too little time for information.
I don't know how to tell you this, but making an informed decision on how to vote is not a sound-byte proposition. The previous poster did the research for you. All you had to do is open your eyes (and your brain) and read it. There are important problems this nation faces and they have nothing whatsoever to do with pigs and lipstick. If voters do not take the time to understand what they are and vote personality over policy, they will end up getting exactly what they deserve. What makes this such a shame is that the rest of us will end up paying the price. For heaven's sake, become part of the solution, not part of the problem.
Very good information, thank you!
Music is pretty good too!
More information there if you bothered to look....
and much more recent than the Keating 5...4 of whom were democrats.
It was not a dead end. The information was there...
you just chose to ignore it, because it was not flattering to Obama. Period.
Wrong. Where the he!! do you get your information? nm
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And you have this information on WHOSE authority?
international politics and Obama are not founded in reality and merit very little comment. Why don't you stick to your wait and see mode from yesterday. Bush is in office, it IS his problem, the Russian action is aimed at Poland, Bush will likely pass on his responsibility because the only thing he knows is "whup up" and "bring it on." The only problem with that is that he has nothing left to work with after all these years in Iraq, new fronts popping up all over the place. BTW, pehaps he has his own party-bound agenda in his nonresponse which may be underpinning the recent outbreak of air space violations and bombing campaigns in three separate sovereign countries in just as many weeks...Syria, Pakistan and Iran. The old saber-rattlesnake is not going quietly into the night and does not give a second thought to what kind of destruction he leaves in his path.
that was the information I read from day one -
Okay, here are at least 4 articles that are dated before this week that show that it is for college credit and it is not required - I am sure if you need more to prove that the REQUIRED part was not just changed this week, I can find more articles that are dated before this week - let me know if you need more...

http://parentstudentloans.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/sen-obama-wants-to-link-college-tax-credit-to-community-service/

http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2008/10/06/News/Obama.Emphasizes.Tax.Credit.For.Community.Service-3470957.shtml

http://www.newamerica.net/blog/higher-ed-watch/2008/election-2008-obamas-taxing-college-decisions-ahead-8225

http://volokh.com/posts/1220239627.shtml
Very interesting information.

To make matters even worse, every bit of my microscopic federal "tax break" has been more than eaten up by higher state sales taxes now, and of course that will get even worse when we start to see higher prices because higher prices mean higher sales taxes.


What the government giveth (to get silly people to vote for them), the government taketh away - and a little bit extra just for good measure.


Again, what is your solution to get information out
nm
In an effort to provide some information sm
I was on vacation when the posts were made, but a friend of mine copied them and sent them to me.  They were no exactly death threats, but under a post wishing President Bush Happy Birthday, there were two posts saying something to the effect that they hoped Bush died and burned in hell.   Also, every single thing you accuse conservatives of in this long post, every SINGLE thing, has been committed on this board by liberals.  You might also notice that most of the conservative posters have stopped coming over here, something the liberal posters have not been able to do, as their drive-by postings still appear sporadically and predictably.  
If the information she has to offer upsets you this much...
....perhaps you should debate with the folks on the conservative board who will agree with you and pat you on the back.  Perhaps your anger with gt is not about her, but about you (to paraphrase the mental health folks).
She isn't supplying any information, Observor. SM
This is between gt and I and several other posters who she is telling we should not be concerned with something that seems to be more important to us that her.  Excuse me, but how dare she!   In fact, I have had many conversations with liberals on the conservative board.  You might want to check that out.  The rest of your post isn't worth addressing.  If someone doesn't agree with you, they are either lying, have a mental problem, are uninformed, or have an anger problem.  That speaks for itself.
No, the administrator is not giving me any information, nor would I ask. sm
I made a rejoiner when you once again accused me of something I didn't do (see above posts).  Have you got all the meat off this bone yet!
I had thought that such information was not available to the public.
This is a privacy issue, and therefore an ethical issue.  If such personal information as ISP numbers are freely availale to other posters on this board I would no longer wish to post here. And if this is the case it needs to be posted.
Do you have inside information on IP addresses!!! How is that possible!!!

What is going on here!   I can't believe this!!!!! 


Sound familiar?


I have no inside information. That's my point.
None of us speak for all of us.
Your *information* was filled with insults...sm
Sorry I don't meet your level of debate.

Do you really rely on information from the Daily Kos?
.
but in that 24 hours important information
could get away. The NSA should be monitored, but 24 hours on wiretaps that need to be done right now is just not realistic for accurate intelligence gathering.

When you dial into a phone line you've just given up your right to privacy. You are not guaranteed privacy on phone lines owned by private companies. There is no privacy contract of any sort when you dial a phone. That's where the disconnect lies. Pardon the pun.
incorrect information, blanket

attack on all non-right wing media, and cut and paste from neocon website, all-in-all an otherwise mildly entertaining post. I give it 2 stars of  11 possible.


 


 


 


I found the same kind of information.
I don't know where some of these people are finding positive information about this stuff but it definitely sounds scary to me.  To me is sounds as racist as the KKK and I don't want part in either one.  Yes, that church may do a lot of things for the black community, but they still spew out hate messages.  If people are ignorant enough to believe that Obama doesn't agree with this.....nothing I say will change that ignorance.  You don't spend 20 years in a church, exposing your kids to that stuff, referring to the pastor as your mentor and then turn around and say that you don't agree with that.  If I don't agree with the pastor of a church and find his sermons disturbing....I stop going there.  The only reason Obama threw his pastor and mentor under the bus was to save his own political rear end.  End of story!
Can you post the sources for this information?
On the face of it, it does just look like rhetoric, he said she said...that is why I would like to check the sources. Also...as far as reform...she did get the good ol' boys (governor and many commission heads) booted out. That is fact. That is plenty of reform, taking on your own party and cleaning out corruption. Would that more on both sides would have that courage. :)
So you'd rather he trust Bush with the information
xx
This is a public board and any information that...sm
is posted here needs to be confirmed at nonpartisan sites. You need to be very savy on the internet, people can say they are Jesus and they are just the opposite. A 65 year old pedafile can pose as a 16 year old looking for a friend. You need to keep your wits about you and not believe everything that is posted on the internet.
I posted the information. It is up to the reader...
to decide what it means.
That's graffiti, dear. Is that where you get your information?
nm
Where did I say McC camp provided this information?
the word "fodder." With Webster at your fingertips, you might try looking it up next time before you leap to unfounded conclusions.
Palin sat on TV herself and gave the information
??
It's getting late and the lack of information
way more time than I have at the moment to address. Obama spent much time in Kenya in an OFFICIAL capacity....sent there while serving on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I will be expanding on this tomorrow and look forward to the slam dunk that a few tiny facts will exact on this trash you are trying to peddle.
I found this information on Wikipedia....sm
A provisional ballot is used to record a vote when there is some question in regards to a given voter's eligibility. A provisional ballot would be cast when:

* The voter refuses to show a photo ID (in regions that require one)
* The voter's name does not appear on the electoral roll for the given precinct.
* The voter's registration contains inaccurate or out-dated information such as the wrong address or a misspelled name.
* The voter's ballot has already been recorded

Whether a provisional ballot is counted is contingent upon the verification of that voter's eligibility.

A guarantee that a voter could cast a provisional ballot if he or she believes that they are entitled to vote was one of the guarantees of the Help America Vote Act of 2002.

Here is the link if you want more information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_ballot

It looks like the count of provisional ballots in the event of a tie is determined by the state's voting laws. Again, something that I believe should be standardized, especially in national elections. Seems to be quite a bit wrong with our democratic election process.
To Marmann, Linda and others - see information
Please, PLEASE do not always think snopes is correct. They have been wrong on many occasions. Just type in "has snopes ever been wrong" in Google and many links come up to show they have been wrong. Snopes is run by Barbara and David Mikkelson, a California couple who met through an folklore urban newsgroup. And there is no credible sources whatsoever on snopes to prove that this is false. And being from California who are huge Obama supporters...well how convenient they just happen to have this website and can put up information without credible sources and everyone believes them???

To others - If there was "nothing" to this story, Barack would not have been ordered by one of the supreme court justices to submit his original birth certificate which he never did. The phony birth certificate that the Annenberg foundation (P.S. the Annenberg foundation is a staunch supporter of Obama) claims is his birth certificate has too many flaws on it.

I know a lot of Obama supporters are trying to push this under the carpet and pretend it never happened and try to debunk anyone trying to search for the truth.

The truth is that the actual birth certificate was never submitted. And like one of the posters said below "Obama has not shown it. He does not have it and the hospital has no record of birth certificate" the copy they have I do believe will prove he was born in Kenya. If he had it and it was valid he would show it, not have it legally hidden away so that NOBODY can view it. Brother! Talk about sending out red flags. Anyone with any sense can see there is something very wrong with this. If he was legal he would have shown the real certificate a long time ago and proved the "so called rumors" to be false. But because he hasn't anyone with any sense has got to wonder why. Why isn't he showing the true certificate? Why did the DNC give him a pass without checking it out? Who is backing him? Why was he legally allowed to secure the certificate? Too many why's.

But to have the supreme court involved. They don't take "bogus" cases, so there must be something valid to the claim that it will show he was born in Kenya to an American woman and African father and became an Indonesia citizen (and we don't know if he ever applied for US Citizenship).

We will soon find out (I hope). If he does not provide proof then everything he does as a president will mean nothing because it will all be invalid.
I do believe that both sides use information from these folks (sm)
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
if they give wrong information sm
that is easy to verify. If they are lying, then they should be taken back in and given twice as much torture. They will tell the truth eventually.