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This is the thing with editing VR that most people

Posted By: don't/won't consider. sm on 2005-10-12
In Reply to: Making money with VR - me

It isn't like QA editing where you just fill in the blank or 100% edit only a certain number of reports to check a person's QA scores.   Each and every one of these VR reports have to be 100% scanned even if they don't need a lot of revision.  The companies try to play up the "editing" to get away with offering an "editing" rate.  Some people can make money with this because they are normally slower than others.  People who are generally fast at straight typing or have a lot of macros never make money on VR.  It's not possible.  Even if you happen to get a good day when every single report is 100% accurate (and believe me, those days are very rare), you still have to read the entire report.  That takes the same amount of time as if you had the macro and just read it as the doctor dictated it...but the difference is that you're only getting paid "editing" rate for VR.  It's a win/win situation for the companies and only a win situation for the MTs who aren't normally moderate to high producers. 

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If it were just editing blanks, that would be one thing. BUT
to provide feedback to keep errors from consistently happening, to type whole reports or even whole paragraphs. It's too much and it does happen.
And just think, these are the people that are going to be editing

I can't believe the increasing amount of questions asking basic things lately.  There is a national converting to VR with its own board and you would be amazed at some of the simplest questions being asked. Where are these people coming from and why are they being hired???  On the company board here someone from this company posted that they were so happy with VR because their pay shot up to $13.50 an hour!  All I could do was shake my head because the person is more or less advertising that the company hires unskilled, unexperienced MTs. This is the wave of the future for MTs? 

I wondered the same thing. A lot of companies require CMT for editing and

I think it would be interesting to know how many people passed the CMT exam 2 years after graduation.

I know of people who do freelance writing and editing.
That's what I want to get into. I have a membership to writersmarket.com to find markets to sell articles and stories. There are free writers market listings out there, too. I belong to a ladies online writer's group and there's a local writer's group here. I just don't have time to do much with it. I did a couple of newspaper articles, but it was a joke. I'd have to drive somewhere, interview someone, write the article, edit the article, all for $50.

What do you want to do? You know, what would you be doing if money was not an issue for you? What would you spend your days doing if Santa waved his magic wand and paid all your bills for you? That's what people ask me as I try to find my niche in life. All the magazines and websites out there need freelancers to do their articles and copy for them.
Because at age 18 I, like most people, had no clue what was the right thing to do
But I'm fixing that now. Better late than never.

Working towards master's degree, switched careers completely.
Do people really still do the second hole thing???
I stopped that so long ago my second holes closed up.
that's another thing uneducated people say
There's one thing that I've seen stop many many people....
A heart attack or cancer.  My father-in-law SWORE he could not quit not matter what, but had a coronary and that was his last cigarette.  My own father quit cold turkey after 3+ packs a day when he began coughing so hard he couldn't catch his breath.  I've also known people who had a cancer scare and were able to quit.  If nothing else, FEAR will do it.  Unfortunately, waiting for the fear might be too late for many.
Another thing, people expect the government
to pick up the pieces for them, and everyone is concerned about this. Do people not care that we are paying for people who should not be here in the first place. I am paying for free school, health care, welfare for the Hispanic family, who are very nice, next door to me. All are illegal. They bought their house with cash. They have 4 cars. Their kid goes to free preschool because he is automatically in because he speaks Spanish. I take my daughter 30 minutes out to a high school because I cannot afford anything else. How is this fair? Why are more people not standing up and saying this is not right. We pay the money, we SHOULD be entitled to help, whether you or anyone else thinks they deserve it or not, whether that girl had a baby out of wedlock. It is not as big an issue as the billions of people we are supporting that are not putting a dime back into the system. What is people's problem? I am all for people who come here legally, go to work and contribute back to society. At least the ones having babies out of wedlock are at some point paying taxes and/or their family is.

Unbelievable how people have different definitions of the exact same thing
You said, "I just wanted to isolate myself at home on evenings and weekends".

A "social butterfly type" wouldn't have made that observation about herself. You made a decision to isolate yourself, which you of course have every right to do because most of us here do the same thing.
The only thing it affects is the view. Some people just don't like more than 100% on their scree
Some people like to keep a Time Clock thing showing on their monitors, too. But
I found out a long time ago that there are two kinds of editing.. one is editing MTs work (like QA)
and the other is editing as in VR. I have done VR editing, but when I put down this as experience on a resume, I was asked by the HR person if this meant that I had "edited" other MTs work. I think there is a lot of confusion out there and I wish they would just keep that as QA instead of calling it editing. Just be clear in what you want to edit as most companies that expect you to "edit" other MTs in a QA position do require you have a lot of experience. If you just going for VR editing, which is what Transcend has available and there are a few companies out there doing VR, none of which I think really require much experience as it is easy to learn. Hope I made some sense and it can be pretty confusing on how companies use the term "editing" thus it effects their expectations as far as experience goes.
Editing is the higher skill. I earn more editing SM
because I'm able to produce more--if the company doesn't adjust the way production's figured down and down again to keep the account from going elsewhere (when that happened to me on EditScript with no explanation of why my income was dropping, I went elsewhere also).
if you live among trashy people, low income people, people w/o goals or direction,
content to just get by, you by default become a part of a group. "people" have decided to group trailer people as trash. that is because there are enough people in that group to earn the title and even if you aren't trash, you are categorized by others. did i think i was trash in lower class neighborhood surrounded by people who drank and fought all weekend? no but i knew i wasn't staying and did not try to pretend that all the fools in the neighborhood were just nice folks who ended up where they were because high horse snobs deemed their neighborhood low class. people for the most part live exactly where they belong because they don't want to educate themselves, they don't mind "trash" around them and they don't want to be bothered trying just a bit hard to extract themselves from that world. they justify everything to themselves i guess saying everyone who doesn't like their lifestyle is a snob and the comedians (Jeff Foxworthy/Chris Rock, etc) who make fun of them are just ill-informed.

As for me, I fought hard to get out and don't even want to look back. It amazes me people stay for generations.
Question about Editing for those who do editing
What would you consider to be  the average amount of lines a day of editing based on a 65 space line in an 8 hour day.  If you can do an average of 1200 straight typing what would be the expectation for a day of editing?  What do you think is a fair rate of pay for that editing? Do you know of companies that offer a tiered incentive rate for editing rates to do most of them offer a flat rate for lph?   Do you find you make more money,  less money or about the same than straight typing?  Thanks to anyone who is willing to share this information.  Feel free to email if you would rather share by email. 
VR editing versus MT editing pay


How does VR editing prod. pay compare to hourly pay ($15) regular QA and constantly being threatened to start being payed production.  Are there any special tricks to know to make good money on a VR program?  Any companies that have VR and are better than other ones would be appreciated as well.  Any and all assistance much appreciated-have to make a change shortly, so looking for a great company that offers ins. benefits.  Thanks for your time.

so many people was wishy-washy nowadays...love to see people make
a stand for what they believe in...

it is kind of wierd those statements have to be made in the first place but guess we are an ever-transitioning country and are still young. so many different beliefs yet not much tolerance.

I found your post respectful, and right on as to how you feel. it does not seem that difficult to sift through to read and respond to messages someone might not care for...
Ebonics: Not a black thing or white thing. (sm)

I don't think there's any cause to get upset or defensive here.  Look it up on line...even colleges are offering courses in Ebonics!  ...well of course they are more sociology-type courses, but still, people are PAYING to learn about the why's and how's of this "other" language.

A quote from one of the sites I found:

"UT-Austin's "Introduction to the Study of African American English," teaches students that the sentence, "Nobody didn't leave" is not "mainstream English with mistakes," but rather a legitimate English dialect. "Ebonics: Myth and Facts" and "African-American English" are both offered at Harvard. Penn and UCLA also promote Ebonics as a legitimate dialect in, "Introduction to African American and Latino English" and "Afro-American Sociolinguistics: Black English," respectively."

Here's the link: http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2002/september_2002_2.html


Just remember that it is not the people on this board who short changed their people and ONLY after
caught did they (after they were suied) make an effort to look good by sending out these checks. Now, think about this--had they done this many years ago when they short changed everyone, that would have been honest. Does it not bother you that only after they know they are under the gun that they are doing this to try and make themselves look good?

I used to work for MQ and I used to like what I did. I never can say I really liked the people that I worked with, but I really think they had some of the best accounts that I have ever come across in the MT industry. I loved working the major teaching hospitals that I did, but that certainly does not mean that I enjoyed being cheated out of pay.

So chill already. People have been cheated, were lied to, and only AFTER they got caught have they tried to return some of the money they robbed us of (as well as cheated their clients).

We all have reasons not to be happy with this company and you go off on us because we are complaining of things like small refund checks of a penny or a few cents or a few hundred dollars and NO WAY to even check to find out if this is correct?

I am sorry you are unhappy all of us thinking that there is still a dead rat in the cellar, but there is still a dead rat in the cellar and nothing will bring the dead rat back.

I would hold no love for a company that I know willingly cheated the very people who helped THEM make money out of their hard-earned money.

Go take a deep breath and think about that.
My people skills are just fine. I just want to hire people who want to work.
I've not been ugly, I've asked questions, legitimate ones.  Please tell me what is wrong with that.  This site is not just for MTs, it is for QA Editors, Supervisors, Service Owners, there's even sections for Billers, Coders, and Nurses.   
rude people? I would take good pay over polite people any day
Besides that they have never been rude to me and I have been here for almost 2 years. What do you consider a bad account?

I know my account is a little tough, but I am used to it. I am tough!
Rude people? I hardly think so. They are some of the nicest people I have ever worked with. sm
Not just management, but QA as well. No one is rude. They are a very understanding staff. There is one account that is hard but all it takes is getting used to it. Once you are used to it, it is no harder than any other ESL account that you would do anyplace else. I have heard all these things about TH from the archives and I have yet to come across rudeness or any kind of thing that I have read about in the archives. I would definitely pursue them if I were you. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
2 people to do that amount of work, is she nuts? More like 20+ people - nm
Certain people getting raises, certain people not. Guess who is?
Say what you will about unions, the good and the bad. But, one thing they did ensure is a raise, good benefits and that you would have a job in the morning.

Does anyone do editing for VR?

If so can you provide some insight as compared to transcription?



editing vr
I do and I love it. I was doing 1500-1800 lines per day, now am doing between 3-4000. Pay is less, but not that much and so much less stress and strain on these old hands and wrists. Would never go back to straight typing.
Editing pay
I just starting working as an IC with a company in Chicago, IL.  They are paying me 4 cents a line to do editing, and 9 cents a line for straight type.  The account I am on uses voice recognition software (not sure if it is Dragon), and the program has difficulty with some of the doctors' accents, so their dictation comes through regularly.  I like doing this very much, as it has helped me bone up on my grammar skills.  Usually what I type just "goes out there", back to them, and I never see any response on whether or not my grammar and punctuation were correct.  Being an Editor has helped me greatly.  Do others have this same feeling as I do?
I didn't take the offer. I am really having a lot of mixed feelings over this. Frankly I think that is where it is "all going" but I don't want to be the one to stamp and seal it. Just bothered me a LOT.
I just quit my secure job of 15 years because in the past year, they have taken transcription away from all 100 of us and are making us edit the voice recognition system. I was making $15.00 per hour. I hated sitting here, cleaning up the mess that the EditScript program made with the dictations. It's just my humble opinion, but I'd want you to be absolutely sure you want to edit before you accept the job.
Good luck, Kay. Not everybody hates it. You might actually like it. :) Maybe if I hadn't been a Transcriptionist for so long, it wouldn't have been such a change and shock to my system. I tried it for a year and just did not enjoy it. I felt like I was an assembly line worker, like all my years of knowledge, accuracy, and speed were thrown out the window. That's why I quit and took a job with an online transcription company, because I want to retain my speed and knowledge. But if you try the editing and like it, then you should definitely write on this forum and tell everybody, as I am just speaking for myself. You should be happy in whatever you do. :)

What is the average pay per line for editing (including VR editing)?


Anyone doing VR editing?
How hard/easy is it? Would you rather transcribe?
VR editing
Not too bad. I never felt I should type the entire report over. It does get a little tedious as it is very easy to miss the small words, ie. a, it, an. The one positive is that it makes me feel less threatened that ASR will take our jobs soon! It really does have a long way to go.
I like it, and I would like it better for all the money, not half. 
But it's about VR editing
I am interested in hearing from any MTs who use VR to transcribe dictation.
I tried it for 2 weeks. I did not come near breaking even. You have to listen to every word and you have to make a lot of changes. It is very time consuming for a lot less money. That is just my opinion.
VR editing

I do VR editing and you really have to be fast, it only pays .02/65 char.  The VR puts in so many things that it's a hassle to correct.  If you are considering doing this for a company, don't.  If you are doing this for yourself, then maybe you can work with it so it becomes more reliable.

I figured out right away that I do not want to do editing only.  I like it, but I would be broke pretty quick.  I need to survive and get through coding school next year, so I've decided to switch to hourly pay.  So far, I've had plenty of work, both editing and straight typing.  The reports I've been typing are all good dictators.  I like the mix of editing and typing. 
If you are doing regular editing, not VR, it should be even with the typing pay you receive or even more. It can take time to edit some reports, especially ESLs where there are a lot of blanks. I personally get paid by the hour and I make half of what I make typing on my other job and just work about 30 hours biweekly.
I'm not editing via VR
I don't do VR. I edit work that is transcribed by MTs. I know that it tracks work done by MTs but I don't think it does this for the work that editors do. If you find differently, let me know.
You obviously are not editing the
We used to do editing but no more
The EMR system, especially in a teaching hospital environment, where the resident or fellow does all the typing, has virtually eliminated any need for a transcriptionist. We edited for a while, but the templates have improved. It all depends on what EMR the docs are using.
Are you maybe editing yourself out of a job?
Okay..sorry, haven't done that, but haven't read or heard good things about it.  Someone else will have to help.
Oh, yes you can. VR editing 12 cpl - sm
regular transcription 18 cpl.

I am not the original poster, but I have to tell you the accounts are out there that pay this. I know, I have 2 of them.

Please note - I did not ask for this fee, they offered it and I hopped right on it.

I too was under the impression, by listening to this other MTSOs, that they can't get good pay.

I am telling you Don't believe it! There are good paying accounts out there, you just have to search for them.
QA/editing pay

There are companies that pay $15/hr for editing.  You would have to edit 500 lines per hour to make that much money if you were paid 3 cents per line.  What is not factored into the by the line editing pay is the time spent researching.  I have been a QA/editor for some time and I don't know all the words, but I have lots of web sites bookmarked and I have a full library of reference books and software to use to help me find the term.  To me, this is such an important part of the editing process.  I hope you will continue looking for a job where you will get paid by the hour.  I know they are out there.  I have worked for 2 companies that paid by the hour.

Good luck with your job search!!  

those of you who do QA and/or editing
first of all, does the QA person also edit? Also would it be reasonable to be able to do 500 lines per hour of editing? This is all American dictators, physical therapy, very easy transcription. Yet, still, one must listen to the dictation, no? So would that be feasible. Finally, can one make good money at 3 cpl editing?  Please, editors/QA persons only to reply...
VR Editing
VR jobs do still need to be edited.  Some doctors dictate very clear and just about every word is picked up correctly, but you still need to do some minor editing.  ESR doctors can also use the VR software as long as they are willing to go through the training.  I guess the software "Learns" the way they speak - phrasing, accents, etc.  They may need more editing but it can be done.
SR editing

I love being an MT, but it is a very physical job, one that I am not sure I can or want to be doing for 35 to 40 more years because of the wear and tear on the body. But I think I can handle it easily if I'm doing SR editing full time or straight transcription half of the time and editing part time.

My question is, is it possible to make a good income doing SR editing?

thanks! editing?
Thanks for the tips and suggestions. About editing...how difficult is it to transfer from MT to editor? Are there specific requirements as far as number of years transcribing certain types of reports?