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First of all, posting your CV has nothing to do s/m

Posted By: the truth is out there on 2009-05-31
In Reply to: If you want to have a private conversation with JTBB, take it off-line. - There's an email function on this forum.

with whether you have a clue or not, for I have seen many impressive people on paper that I wouldn't bother to spit on if they were on fire, so I could give a rat's behind about your "CV".

That being said, I do believe it's none of your business how I choose to communicate with someone, but if you want to stick your nose in where it's not wanted, that's your call.  Personally, I don't see why you would even waste your time involving yourself in a discussion you obvious have no interest in.  Oh that's right, probably because you don't have a life. 

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why are you posting here?
I believe in personal responsibility. I dont believe you or the govt have a right to tell anyone what to do with their body. If my choices are wrong, I will stand in judgment when I meet my maker. I also dont follow in lock step with an administration that lies to the people about Iraq. Supporting our troops and not falling for lies about this illegal war are two different things. Yes, it is an illegal war. The world realizes this. The International Court of Justice realizes this. Of course, I support our troops and want them home. Believing in God is a personal decision and should not be shoved down others throats. I believe in separation of church and state, do not mix religion and politics. I dont believe we should have the state and/or president intervening when a spouse wants to let someone pass whose brain is half the size of a normal brain, living only due to rudimentary reflexes and I certainly do not think they should waste my tax dollars on trying to tie the hands of the spouse. These republicans/conservatives are way out of control in so many ways. It would be quite laughable if it wasnt so pitiful. I believe this is not a Christian country but a country with many religions and beliefs and I respect the people enough to let them choose what to believe. Seems to me nowadays democrats are acting like the way republicans used to, i.e., keep govt at a minimum and out of personal business, keep the budget balanced or as close to balance as possible. Republicans/conservatives are so off course right now. They are trying to invade into the states rights and personal rights. They have waged an immoral illegal war, my children and my childrens children will be paying to reduce this massive deficit, caused by republicans. Yes I oppose **liberating** other countries who dont ask us to help. Who the heck do we think we are, invading a soverign country and pushing our beliefs and religion and morals down their throats? Iraq is worse off today than it was under Saddam. Under Saddam, they had jobs, food, electricity, a life of certainty and definitely not lawlessness in the streets. We have killed tens of thousands of Iraqis with the excuse of liberating them. We have created a terrorist breeding ground and it will continue. The minute we kill off terrorists, their sons and daughters will rise up and fight back. We are just as bad as Saddam with our sickening war machine.
Thanks for posting this.
that's what it's all about.
In an odd sense of.....oh...whatever, please continue to post here.  No one wants you not to (gosh, it must be the green tea Im drinking this morning).  *note to me, get rid of that darn republican green tea*..
Not posting here

What is it about this issue that makes you people think that anyone finds YOU to be a threat to the point where you are all suddenly retreating and saying you won't post here any more???????????

The problem is with the breach of security on this site.  Unless you're the owner/moderator/administrator, this does not apply to you personally.

This issue should have been brought to the forefront on the company board a week ago when this incident happened, but I guess too many people were shocked by the blatant lack of ethics and the not so subliminal message that if anyone says anything negative about this company, your ISP will be tracked, and at that point, I, along with probable others, was afraid to post anything further.

why do they keep posting here?
For the life of me, I dont understand why these same bitter so angry conservatives come over to the liberal board and post.  They are not wanted here.  I guess the anger just builds up as they try to live their obviously unhappy lives and when they cant stand it any more, they come over here to start trouble.  It just bugs the heck out of them that we are patriotic, love the troops and want them home alive.  Some of these radical neocons actually say the troops are fighting for our freedom and freedom of speech?  What?  The war in Iraq has nothing to do with our freedom or freedom of speech.  They will just throw anything out there to try to justify Bush's war.  They sound so silly, just makes me shake my head and laugh.  A bunch of fools.
Wow, thanks for posting
Thanks for posting.
I really like Paul Krugman.
Thank you for posting this.
And thanks Lurker for writing it.  Lurker brought up many, many valid issues and good points.  I wonder why nobody on that other board even bothered to address those issues.
There was someone posting here sm

In fact several, and I thought one of them was you, who were listing lots of links that Bush engineered 9/11.  I guess I was mistaken, but someone was posting it here.

Thank you for posting this!
My heart was really heavy...was I was not aware of this stance until this thread began. It is indeed heartening to know this. Thanks again!
Thanks for posting
I think you made my point better than I did when I was discussing this. I don't think it was always clear exactly how the program worked. From what I had read, the basics of the program were staying essentially the same - that the states had the control over who they covered. The only things, at least from what I saw, that the expansion did was allow the federal government to raise their limit (which states do not have to necessarily comply with, it just gives the states more options), collect more income for the states' programs, and allow more agencies to help decide eligibility. Everything would still essentially be in the states' hands.
Thanks for posting that
That's the sort of stuff I was looking for. The article I read was obviously skewed the other direction. In a way, I think it makes me like him more. There are so many people in this country who are completely turned off by politics. They see it as a bunch of rich white men controlling their lives. Because he is so candid about his past, I think there will be a large number of people who feel that they can relate to him better than any other candidate.

It sounds a little crazy to say, but I think his honesty will help him.
Thanks for posting!
Hey sam....thanks so much for posting....sm
I knew you could explain it much more succinctly than I could.
Thank you for posting that. sm
Loved it!

Thanks for posting! nm
Thanks for posting
I'm not meaning to start a riot either but my opinion, this nation was founded on the principal that "In God we Trust."  We are no longer a Christian nation.  God blessed this nation for 200+ years, then we allowed Him to be kicked out and look where we are today.  Again, this is MY opinion.
Thanks for posting this, Sam.
Thank you for posting this!
I am a Christian and have been struggling this past month, maybe the economy, maybe just myself feeling that I've not been doing all He wants me to. There is no ridicule from me; I agree with you totally and I am so glad you posted this. I've noticed a couple of posts where there is this misconception that Christians think we are better or something.

Christians - By Maya Angelou

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not shouting "I'm clean livin'."
I'm whispering "I was lost,
Now I'm found and forgiven."

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I don't speak of this with pride.
I'm confessing that I stumble
and need Christ to be my guide.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not trying to be strong.
I'm professing that I'm weak
And need His strength to carry on.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not bragging of success.
I'm admitting I have failed
And need God to clean my mess.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not claiming to be perfect,
My flaws are far too visible
But, God believes I am worth it.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I still feel the sting of pain.
I have my share of heartaches
So I call upon His name.

When I say... "I am a Christian"
I'm not holier than thou,
I'm just a simple sinner
Who received God's good grace, somehow!

Thank you for posting...
Unfortunately, there are too many people who do not seem to want peace and tolerance. The next leader has to be able to rise above this, but I think your 11-year-old son is very insightful. Lets hope he is wrong, huh?

Take care...and God protect us all
thank you for posting this ---
I have already voted, so this could not change my decision one way or another, but I was interested in knowing what was said first hand and not just reading about it second hand.

After watching this video, it is clear to me that he was not saying that he was Muslim - it was not a slip of tongue - he meant to say that questioning whether or not he was Muslim had not ever came out of John McCain's mouth. He even corrected GS when he tried to correct him...

I for one do not believe that Obama is a Muslim, practicing or nonpracticing, but at the same time, this country is built on diversity, being free to practice what religion you choose - as long as the President is not pushing his faith down your throat, mandating that it is the only right religion, what should it matter anyway what his/her faith might be? Why is it even an issue?

I am a Christian, but everyday I report to a boss that is not a Christian and I have no problem with that - she does not tell us in her employ that we have to practice her faith, and she does not keep us from practicing ours. When Bush got elected, he did not say that we all have to start being Methodist, but I don't see the Baptist protesting him because he is not Baptist, and the Church of God protesting because he was not Church of God, or the church of Christ protesting becaue he was not church of Christ.
Thank you for posting this.
I will be sending this to everyone I know and posting it on my myspace page.  I want to get the word out to anyone and everyone about how big of a joke Obama really is.  Nothing is for free and all his supporters are mesmerized by his preaching of hope and change and getting something for nothing......they are so mistaken.  Nothing is for free!  This is nothing bot socialism and giving money to people who don't work for it.  Makes me sick!
Thank you for posting this -- sm

I'm going to share this with my DH tonight.  We have discussing this election over and over and haven't been able to come up with a clear choice.  Our biggest concern is the economy.  Yes, I care about national security, but I think there are enough advisors on either campaign to handle that.  What affects me most is money.  Up until this point, we (DH and I) have been leaning to the left because it sounds like O's plans would be more beneficial to us.  However, after reading this, I'm not so sure anymore.  My husband and I work very hard to support our 3 kids and afford a nice home, vehicles and extras.  The last thing I want is someone taking that away from me and giving it to the welfare group.  They get enough breaks as it is.

I've said this numerous times -- McCain should be raising these issues in a better light, not counting on his supporters to find it.  It's sad because I fear it may be too late already.  Sometimes I think MC doesn't want to win this election.

Thanks for posting this :)
Wow! Thanks so much for posting that! nm
Thank you for posting
It is informative. I learned some things.
Thank you for posting this.

I have the same feelings about it and I just hope come election day, Americans will think about all of those things when voting.  I had tears in my eyes yesterday worrying about it and I just can't for it to be over.  I pray about it everyday. 

So many are hateful with Bush and the last 8 years.  He was by no means perfect but we didn't get attacked again and I am grateful for that.  He imposed tax cuts which helped me greatly.  I am so sick of Obama tying McCain to Bush.  They are 2 different people.  People are craving change so much, but at what price???  They will get change for sure.  It will be the beginning of the end of democracy as we know it.

Don't forget, Kerry was ahead in the polls in 2004 and didn't win. 

Thanks again for your post.  Glad to know I am not alone in my feelings about this whole thing.

Yes - thank you for posting
this is a very important election and there are fears regardless of who gets in but my fear is much more when I think about Obama winning. I was thinking last night how sad it is that our country is so divided, some say I'm just paranoid, but I fear a civil war here in the US after election day.

I agree that Obama is mesmerizing. He tells us all what we want to hear. When I watched his 30-minute ad, I actually found myself thinking "wow"... that ad was brilliant on his part but scares me how many people actually bought into it.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. :)
Keep posting
Bots gotta wake up. This lady is from inside the camp herself. She saying what we all knew was going on. It's all phony and deceitful. Hope? Hope nobody will find out. Change? Change for the worst.

Listen to the people in campaigns. Obama never fooled me (well actually he did when he was running against Hillary and I voted for him), but glad I'm among the ones who have awoken.
why are u posting?
No one on here has infringed on your right to disbelieve.  We are not calling you out on your disbelief.  We are stating what we know to be the truth in our lives.  That is a statement, not an infringement.  So far as I know, no one has yet taken away our Christian rights to go tell it on the mountain.  If I want to yell it from the roof tops that Jesus is real and he saves, if I want to write it all over this internet, if I want to scream it out on the streets all over the US, I have that right.  It is my freedom to say what I believe, what I think on here.  If you dont like the posts then it is your right not to read them.  Dont come on here and insinuate that someone is infringing on your rights.  I am sick and tired of everytime someone posts something about Jesus, someone else gets on here and starts whinning about how their rights were stepped on.  So society tries to make us shut up, but in turn you are stepping all over our rights. 
Thank you for posting this...nm
Thank you for posting this
I never even thought about this. That's a really good idea to be prepared, and I'm actually going to start stocking up on stuff like this. I'll have to read about the depression more to learn how they got through it and follow suit.

Thanks again!
Thanks for posting this.........sm
I had been looking for that quote but could not find it as I could not remember who said it.
Thanks for posting this
The question of McCain's qualification to run for president was no more of an issue to me than that of Obama.  Why presumably intelligent people on this board would keep it going is far beyond my comprehension.
Thanks for posting this, Dee. ............nm

How do you know she isn't posting under a different name?
Thanks for posting that.
I looked on Congress.org and they listed all the yeahs and nays, but didn't say where they were from except those that shared the same last name.
Thanks for posting....(sm)
It's nice to hear from a conservative point of view and a highly respected conservative economist.

I like John Lott, and he talks common sense, in a way most people can understand.



Thanks for posting this.
But I doubt it will get the message across.
Thanks so much for posting these.
They're wonderful.
nor is she posting with ...
a heart, any respect, any class or a very high IQ.
Actually, thanks for posting this....appreciate the info.
Not sure what all the rants are all about.  You were simply echoing what Santorum said in a tongue-in-cheek kind of way.  Thanks for sharing this article.
posting politics

reality check... I don't usually post here on the political forum, I prefer a bigger board.  You seem to be a big fish in a small pond, whereas, I prefer to be a small fish in a big pond... fresher ideas and less bullying from the likes of big fish like you.

I dont believe in PUSHING my ideas on others.  I dont believe in killing our young people, I do NOT believe in George W. Bush.



posting site
another good place to post is communicate.excite.com.
Thanks for posting, Observer
Also to those donating money, please be aware that the FEMA site list of receiving agencies includes mostly faith-based groups after the Red Cross, which is not necessarily a bad thing at all, except the Operation Blessings charity which is Pat Robertson's group. He must need another diamond mine in South Africa. You might want to skip that one.
I don't understand your posting...?nm
Thanks for posting and for being so respectful.

I agree that there hasn't been a single president willing to address the border issues.  But there also hasn't been a single president in American history to witness his country suffer an attack such as 9/11.  If there was ever a time to do everything possible to protect the American people, I believe it was after 9/11.  I believe Katrina showed everyone (including the terrorists) just how little we've done to coordinate local, state and federal emergency responses.  Bush beat 9/11 to death in his 2004 campaign.  In my opinion, he used it to scare people into voting for him, with the false promise that he was the only candidate who could protect us.

As far as Democratic spending, I couldn't agree with you more.  In fact, that's the whole point.  Democrats are the ones with the rep for out of control spending.  They, at least, acknowledged the need to help the less fortunate in our country.  Now we've got out of control spending, with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, more and more people without health insurance coverage, and probably many Americans unable to afford to heat their homes this winter.  At least the Democrats, albeit it to the chagrin of most Americans, raised taxes and gave us a sense that we were paying for all the spending they were doing.  I honestly don't know now who is paying for all this, and it scares me.  It further scares me that this president wants to completely revamp the Social Security system, a system I've been paying into for the past 36 years, and I don't trust his financial judgment -- not even a little bit.  He's publicly described who he believes his base to be (the haves and the have mores), and that group doesn't include me.  Most of my adult life was spent as a single mother.  (Even though she's grown with children of her own, I'm STILL a single mother because I try to help her, my son-in-law and grandchildren whenever they need me.) I haven't had the luxury of saving for retirement simply because I couldn't afford to.  I know that I will never retire.  I will be working one way or the other until the day I die.  The only thing I have to look forward to is a small Social Security check to supplement the part-time income I receive when I get too old to work full time.  I'm not asking for a handout.  I'm just asking for the government to keep its word regarding Social Security and not pull the rug out from under me.

I also didn't vote for Bush in 2000 because I believed in my heart we would find ourselves at war with Iraq if Bush was president, even though he promised that nation building was something he was against.  As you know, this was well before 9/11, and now he publicly admits he wants to spread freedom throughout the world -- whether the world actually wants the United States' (and/or Bush's)  particular brand of freedom or not.

In all fairness, I believe the Democratic party dropped the ball very badly in the last 8 years.  In 2000, I couldn't bring myself to vote for anyone because I was so tired of voting for the least worst person.  I felt that if Gore and Bush were the best this country had to offer, we were in serious trouble.

I also think that Kerry was a terrible candidate to represent the Democratic party, although I did respect very much the fact that he had actually served in a war on foreign land and had firsthand experience in that area, which I believe is very important.

My favorite Democratic candidate was John Edwards.  He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth.  Everything he has, he worked very hard for.  This is a man who has firsthand knowledge of how to build something from nothing, another area of knowledge I don't believe Bush has clue one about.  Edwards was acutely aware there are two Americas, and that's never been more evident than it is now, after almost 5 years of bush.

I'm one of those people who found what Clinton did to be deplorable.  However, compared to Bush, Clinton was infinitely better.  Clinton definitely left office with the country in better shape than it will be when Bush leaves.

We used to have three basic socioeconomic groups in this country: rich, middle class and poor.  The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is starting to erode downward.  People who have median incomes are finding their effective net spendable income dwindling if they have to drive to and from their employment.  The only people to benefit from Bush are the rich.  It's a sad, sad situation when the State of Georgia takes it upon itself to close schools in order to conserve fuel, yet oil company profits continue to skyrocket.

I believe that war with Iraq is not only the single largest waste of money, resources, and especially American lives -- it's also putting America in much more danger.  This war has provided a wide open space for terrorists to train, and Bush gave them that training ground by invading Iraq and creating that training ground that didn't exist before.  We've completely destroyed their country, killed their people and wrecked their electricity and water.  I don't think it would be moral and ethical to just pull out of there immediately without fixing all the things that we broke.  By the same token, the longer we stay there, the more Americans we lose.  Saddam had been contained.  He was no real threat to us, and there was no legitimate reason in the world for us to invade Iraq in the bogus name of fighting the war on terror.  We have so very many things to do here at home to take care of our own, and we should have done that before even thinking of invading a country that wasn't a threat to us.  In 2001, we were told we're going in there to fight the war on terror. Now the reason is we want to spread freedom to the Iraqi people.  That's quite a leap and, to me, a person who feared in 2000 that Bush would attack Iraq, it's disingenuous, but most of all, it's not keeping us safe.

Hurricane season still has three months to go, and there's no reason to believe that more Americans won't lose their lives and/or homes.  We've got war zones all around us, whether it's an act of God or an act of Bush.  Whether it's the Gulf in Iraq or the Gulf in America, people are faced with losing electricity and water.  More urgently, they are faced with losing their lives and homes.  Somebody PLEASE tell me why it should be that Iraq is more important than America.  I don't believe America can afford to take care of both.  In my opinion, America must take priority. 

I'm sorry this was so long.  I guess I've been waiting for a long time to actually enter a debate with someone who is intelligent and thoughtful and, above all else, respectful to a different point of view.  Reading your post was a real pleasure.  Thank you.

You might want to research first before posting.

According to Forbes, Bush's net worth, including real estate is $15 million.  His only home, in Crawford, is appraised at $988, 353. 

In contrast, Associated Press, published the following story, which has Kerry's net worth at $33,000,000.  Twice that of Bush.  He has a $700,000 yacht.  Also, his homes are enumerated below.  That's homes as in plural and they are all multimillion dollar homes. 

The Washington Times


Kerry and wife embrace opulence

Published March 23, 2004

    From a sailing mecca to a ski resort, presumptive Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, enjoy the trappings of their wealth in at least five homes and vacation getaways across the country valued at nearly $33 million.
    Some are private escapes for the family, while others serve as prime spots to host fund-raisers and exclusive gatherings for wealthy donors. All reflect the couple's status -- he is a four-term Massachusetts senator, she is heiress to the $500 million family ketchup fortune.
    Each home has a place in the family's life, with its own history and mission, from the preppy island of Nantucket and Boston's Beacon Hill to the Pittsburgh countryside, the Idaho mountains and the nation's capital.
    Mr. Kerry is on a weeklong break from the campaign at the home in the wooded mountains of Ketchum, Idaho. Located near the banks of the Big Wood River, the nearly $5 million house is a reassembled barn, originally built in England in 1485 and brought to Idaho by Mrs. Kerry's late husband, H. John Heinz III. The Pennsylvania Republican senator died in a plane crash in 1991.
    The Heinz family has had the house since 1966 and traditionally spends time there in August and during the Christmas holidays -- often throwing a New Year's Eve party capped with fireworks.
    While Ketchum provides a respite from politics, the tony Beacon Hill brownstone in Boston has been a more frequent campaign way station for Mr. Kerry and his wife. It is the only residence that is theirs as a couple. And, assessed at nearly $7 million, it is the residence that Mr. Kerry mortgaged last year to finance more than $6 million in loans to his campaign.
    Their other homes, ranging in value from more than $3 million to nearly $9.2 million, belong to Mrs. Kerry and predate her 1995 marriage to the Massachusetts senator. Several are still listed under the name of her late husband.
    Formerly part of a convent, the five-story, 12-room Boston town house -- with six fireplaces, a rooftop deck and an elevator -- is Mr. Kerry's main residence. It is where he is registered to vote and is located blocks from the Statehouse.
    While that is their newest home, Mrs. Kerry has had a Massachusetts presence for years.
    Just beyond the historic Brant Point Lighthouse in Nantucket's harbor is Mrs. Kerry's $9.1 million waterfront estate. Rimmed by tall hedges, with a wide deck and a lawn that reaches to the beach, the three-story, five-bedroom manse was the site of the couple's Memorial Day weekend wedding in 1995.
    Since then, the house has been used for campaign retreats and Democratic receptions for the party's big-money donors.
    While Mr. Kerry calls Boston home, Mrs. Kerry's base is Pittsburgh, which is her longtime residence and the headquarters of the Heinz Family Philanthropies, which she chairs.
    Located on a $3.7 million, 90-acre family farm in Fox Chapel, the home is a nine-room white colonial fronted with six columns, and at the end of a steep drive, hidden from the road by a curtain of woods. The property includes a deep-red, nine-room carriage house.
    This is where Mrs. Kerry raised her three sons and where she is registered to vote.
    Their fifth home, in Georgetown, is perhaps the most utilitarian, and is necessary to accommodate the time they spend in Washington when the Senate is in session. Also belonging to Mrs. Kerry, the 23-room, $4.7 million town house, with its wide stairway and landscaped courtyard, is filled with antiques, fine art and family photos.
    Presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, divide their time among five homes across the country. 

    •Boston: A five-story, 12-room Beacon Hill town house that serves as Mr. Kerry's main residence. Assessed value: $6.9 million.
    •Nantucket, Mass.: A three-story, five-bedroom waterfront retreat on Brant Point. Assessed value: $9.18 million.
    •Washington, D.C.: A 23-room town house in Georgetown. Proposed 2005 assessment: $4.7 million.
    •Ketchum, Idaho: A ski getaway converted from a reassembled barn near Sun Valley. Assessed value: $4.9 million. Mrs. Kerry also owns two adjoining lots valued at $1.5 million and $1.8 million.
    •Fox Chapel, Pa.: A nine-room colonial on nearly 90 acres in suburban Pittsburgh. The property also includes a nine-room carriage house. Assessed value: $3.7 million.

Will you please stop posting this over and over again?
Can you not think of anything ORIGINAL to say (something meaningful obviously a bit too much to ask). This is a discussion board after all - what's the problem with replying to the CONTENT of a post once in a while instead of simply attacking those who dare to express a thought?

And before you get your hackles up over what a hypocrite *I* am (usually #2 on the Hannity rules for lackeys wishing to defuse meaningful discussion in favor of creating irresponsible chaos - are you there yet?) let me remind you, there wasn't any content IN your post to reply TO. So would you please cut that out?
No, she's not the one posting under democrat. That would be me. And...sm
the most of us on the liberal board do not buy *impending doom* theory that you live by. I don't think America would cease to exist with John Kerry as president, but that's a whole nother argument.

Hope you had a wonderful holiday, and BTW when I posted the Happy Thanksgiving post it was meant to be a warm greeting to all concerned, and the response from the republican poster was smug and an in a *in your face* sarcasm if you look at it from a liberal perspective.

His exact words, *And I'm so thankful we have a REPUBLICAN president....pretty cool huh?*

Well to you and Pathguy, I think it would be good if we had a TRUSTWORTHY, COMPETENT president, but if REPUBLICAN is all that matters then pat yourselves on the back again and have a blessed Christmas :)

Thank you for posting a reminder.
I hope that all can see it, because right now, I can't.